CARD should try to arrange a meeting with the Met Police regarding our legal right to protest. If they refuse to meet us we win, if they do meet us we can promise no pitch invasions and negotiate. There is no reason to assume the police would automatically take the club's side as long as our protests are legal. We can agree what we are allowed to do without getting arrested and if the police deem throwing a beach ball on the pitch is sufficient, we can go to the press. They won't as they can't arrest hundreds of fans for such an act and they know it - they have criminals to catch!
Let me advise anyone that the throwing of ANYTHING onto the pitch is unlawful and will result in you being ejected from the ground. This of course includes the match ball if it happens to be hoofed into the stands!!! Leave it well alone and wait for Testicles Tony to retrieve it.
Gotta happen! If no one returns them and they dissappear to rear of stands they might just run out of match balls? Great idea from the club! :-)
Two references to New Scotland Yard in the first two paragraphs - imagine that is a deliberate attempt by someone to emphasise just how serious it all is.
Wonder which of the Met and CAFC really wanted to mention the location. My guess is that it will have been the visitors rather than the hosts.
You're right. Maybe the club has provided a great idea. If the balls are burst or simply kept, they are no use to anybody. Fans could be directed to pass them up to North Upper!
Surely a FOI would tell us if the MPS had a meeting with the club at NSY.
I'm thinking about it. Wording is all important with FOI, especially with plod. If you check my FOIs on WDTK, for example around Millwall game policing, one time they played ball, one time they didn't. If anybody wants to give this wording some thought, I'll be happy to write the FOI taking everyone's suggestions into account.
Where "NLA of New Scotland Yard" when you need him.
Let me advise anyone that the throwing of ANYTHING onto the pitch is unlawful and will result in you being ejected from the ground. This of course includes the match ball if it happens to be hoofed into the stands!!! Leave it well alone and wait for Testicles Tony to retrieve it.
Gotta happen! If no one returns them and they dissappear to rear of stands they might just run out of match balls? Great idea from the club! :-)
Just don't try to take them have home, the club will have you arrested for theft.
I would like to look the Met Police rep in the eye and ask him if a hundred fans throw a beach ball on the pitch, will they all be arrested. If the answer is yes, I would suggest they might be better employed doing what tax payers pay them for. I would also demand consistency, so every fan throwing a balloon or beach ball into any pitch in future should also be arrested!
Maybe somebody could draft an e-mail - and we get as many of us as possible to send it to them! If they want to take sides and get involved, maybe we should involve them!
It makes a link, where there isn't one, between incidents at some place over in Surrey several months ago and all the recent organised protests at The Valley.
I may be wrong, but I can't remember any stories like this on the BBC site about fans of other clubs being warned for behaviour and Charlton aren't exactly renowned for their brushes with the law.
The Club have attempted to tar the vast majority of fans of OUR Club by including a totally unrelated incident.
It tries to make the intelligent, well thought out and played out protests against ineptitude, which have been well supported in the media, fight for media space alongside a darker incident which shouldn't have happened.
Nasty, underhand and pretty much to be expected from the shambles running Charlton.
@PragueAddick perhaps an FOI question should include how many Football Clubs have NSY issued joint statements with "warning fans" about their behaviour.
Did the BBC not bother to contact CARD for a statement?
(edit: I reckon the Press Association have just slapped out a lazy story and the BBC have picked it up and not checked it out themselves - I'd certainly be calling Scotland Yard as it's unusual for the Met to release joint statements with football clubs).
Where exactly have the MPS issued this warning? I can only see a statement on the CAFC OS.
If you read it, it does actually say that it is a joint statement.
Which means............ Club.."We are going to release a statement saying we spoke to you". Police.."ok, whatever, as we've said we really aren't interested".
We do need to clarify the Police position on this - I don't object to the comments about flares or pitch invasions - there are public safety implications. But peaceful imaginative protest is not their problem, it is the club's! my experience of the police is they don't tend to involve themself when it isn't their problem, when it comes to the public who pay their wages!!!!! So why should they involve themselves in this dispute.
What a shambles. The Met should be nicking Meire for wasting police time. Europe's under constant attack / threat and London's on tenterhooks expecting a terrorist attack at any moment, and she's wasting Scotland Yard resources because a handful of people - incited by her - have, heaven forbid, thrown some blow up beach balls onto the side of a grass football pitch.
Her and Duchatalet are complete wrong uns.
Paul. May I commend you on the correct use/spelling of the emboldened word (as opposed to 'tender hooks'!!).
I wonder if this is in anyway related to the FA investigation into our naughty behaviour?
Could part of the verdict have been to show that they're working with the police to prevent a repeat of it, and this is Pinocchio and No-Cajones typically heavy handed way of responding?
Where exactly have the MPS issued this warning? I can only see a statement on the CAFC OS.
If you read it, it does actually say that it is a joint statement.
Reads like a police statement not a club statement
It's in English for a start
PWR much.
This. It's a Police statement. It's intended to deter behavior, and it's always going to be strong worded in an attempt to do just this. I am very jaded toward the police as a result of living through 30 years of American policing, but this is what I'd expect, a heavy handed statement. As long as the heavy handedness remains in word form. I feel the same way about this as I did about the club statement they put out a couple Sundays ago after the Boro match. It's something they kind of have to do.
@MuttleyCAFC I take your point about inventive protesting, but it's illegal. I do not believe a distinction is made in the letter of the law between a beach ball, a coin, a bottle, or a shoe (side note, have we thought about throwing shoes?).
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The nine foot beach ball.
Wonder which of the Met and CAFC really wanted to mention the location.
My guess is that it will have been the visitors rather than the hosts.
Bournemouth fans throwing thousands of balloons around.
How many doors were kicked in in Dorset?
How many arrests made?
Or are you just rattled?
Just going to on and on and on until you go.
You bought the wrong club Roland, you've failed.
Maybe somebody could draft an e-mail - and we get as many of us as possible to send it to them! If they want to take sides and get involved, maybe we should involve them!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35921396
It makes a link, where there isn't one, between incidents at some place over in Surrey several months ago and all the recent organised protests at The Valley.
I may be wrong, but I can't remember any stories like this on the BBC site about fans of other clubs being warned for behaviour and Charlton aren't exactly renowned for their brushes with the law.
The Club have attempted to tar the vast majority of fans of OUR Club by including a totally unrelated incident.
It tries to make the intelligent, well thought out and played out protests against ineptitude, which have been well supported in the media, fight for media space alongside a darker incident which shouldn't have happened.
Nasty, underhand and pretty much to be expected from the shambles running Charlton.
@PragueAddick perhaps an FOI question should include how many Football Clubs have NSY issued joint statements with "warning fans" about their behaviour.
Katrien, Tony we can see through you! You are losing the battle and well you know it.
(edit: I reckon the Press Association have just slapped out a lazy story and the BBC have picked it up and not checked it out themselves - I'd certainly be calling Scotland Yard as it's unusual for the Met to release joint statements with football clubs).
Club.."We are going to release a statement saying we spoke to you".
Police.."ok, whatever, as we've said we really aren't interested".
It's in English for a start
I wonder who has a track record in bullying at The Valley..??
Yep, it's Tony Cahones (Allegedly) and this statement has all the hallmarks of something that he has said/written.
With multiple statements like these it's no wonder we cannot keep a head of comms longer than a few weeks
I thank you.
Could part of the verdict have been to show that they're working with the police to prevent a repeat of it, and this is Pinocchio and No-Cajones typically heavy handed way of responding?
This. It's a Police statement. It's intended to deter behavior, and it's always going to be strong worded in an attempt to do just this. I am very jaded toward the police as a result of living through 30 years of American policing, but this is what I'd expect, a heavy handed statement. As long as the heavy handedness remains in word form. I feel the same way about this as I did about the club statement they put out a couple Sundays ago after the Boro match. It's something they kind of have to do.
@MuttleyCAFC I take your point about inventive protesting, but it's illegal. I do not believe a distinction is made in the letter of the law between a beach ball, a coin, a bottle, or a shoe (side note, have we thought about throwing shoes?).