KR seemed to speak very highly of him when he was at MK Dons - given he seems to strongly prefer to sign players he has worked with before, I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back.
He never sold him in the first place, Poyet let his contract run down!
His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
He never sold him in the first place, Poyet let his contract run down!
His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
We did get a development fee from Westham which we negotiated directly with them rather than letting it go to a tribunal.
He never sold him in the first place, Poyet let his contract run down!
His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
We did get a development fee from Westham which we negotiated directly with them rather than letting it go to a tribunal.
True, but it wasn't as if we wanted to sell him (not for a measly development fee).
The contract situation RD inherited from the spivs wasn't good, with several players with contracts about to run out in the summer
If he actually wants to play and has kept himself fit he would walk into any League1 or lower ranked English club or any club in Scotland, he'd just need to have realistic earnings expectations. The failed move to Argentina, especially for someone part Uruguayan, was an odd one. He's loads better suited to playing next to Crofts in KR's current lineup than Ezri Konsa for example. Don't see it happening but given that KR preferred a less talented player to him in their recent spell together at MK, can't see them being interested in working together again now. We've got a pretty good idea how fond DP is of Charlton's current regime. His return would represent Roly's plan in reverse: premier league star turning out for the baby farm club. But what do I know - I'm just an unintelligent activist who doesn't have d cloob's interests at heart?
He never sold him in the first place, Poyet let his contract run down!
His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
We did get a development fee from Westham which we negotiated directly with them rather than letting it go to a tribunal.
True, but it wasn't as if we wanted to sell him (not for a measly development fee).
The contract situation RD inherited from the spivs wasn't good, with several players with contracts about to run out in the summer
Agreed, and to be fair the club have been much better about signing up young players to lengthy deals since RD took over. Previous regime was awful for it.
Poyet as that defensive midfielder, with Konsa or JFC beside him and Aribo or JFC in the 10 role would be a very, very good L1 midfield IF Poyet performed. But we all know there's no guarantee of that. I'd of course take the 2014 version of him, but I'm not convinced players can switch it on and off like that. I suspect the young man needs to eat some humble pie, maybe lower his wage demands and up his work rate. It seems ridiculous that he can't find a club.
I also don't think coming back here for a third time would do him any good. We know that we're toxic, that he's hated by quite a dew here, and I just don't see us as being the ones to help him turn his career around.
If KR is capable of fostering team spirit and, in spite of those above him, create a positive vibe at The Valley, I think Poyet could do well again. I wouldn't judge him solely on his appearances last season - almost none of our squad came out with any credit there and it must have been extremely difficult for the lad (I know it was his own fault!).
I'd be happy if KR gave him a short-term contract and let him try and impress in training at least.
He never sold him in the first place, Poyet let his contract run down!
His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
We did get a development fee from Westham which we negotiated directly with them rather than letting it go to a tribunal.
If Katrien negotiated it we probably got a replica West Ham kit and some second hand training cones
He never sold him in the first place, Poyet let his contract run down!
His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
We did get a development fee from Westham which we negotiated directly with them rather than letting it go to a tribunal.
If Katrien negotiated it we probably got a replica West Ham kit and some of Brady's second hand training cones Rampant Rabbits
KR cut short his loan spell at MK, that's why he came back to us on loan.
Had Potter and I think Carruthers and Powell ahead of him if memory serves. He was probably on high wages for a team with MKD's budget so if he wasn't automatic first choice he probably wasn't worth it. That said, Potter is a very decent lower league player but if you're not at least pushing him and Powerll/Carruthers for a spot then...well if shows how far he's fallen.
KR cut short his loan spell at MK, that's why he came back to us on loan.
Had Potter and I think Carruthers and Powell ahead of him if memory serves. He was probably on high wages for a team with MKD's budget so if he wasn't automatic first choice he probably wasn't worth it. That said, Potter is a very decent lower league player but if you're not at least pushing him and Powerll/Carruthers for a spot then...well if shows how far he's fallen.
Diego played far more regularly for MKD than he did for us! MKD ran a very tight financial ship last season, so KR presumably felt that with his limited funds he didn't need someone in a position where he was well served (I think Potter had previously been injured)
I think it is a shame he was not better advised by his dad. I mean - he won player of the year after breaking into the side and playing half a season. The team would have been built around him and instead he goes to a club who were just taking a punt on a youth prospect with no real intent to play him. But even if they did play him, his lack of reputation may have compromised his preferred position. It was incredibly stupid to leave.
Whilst he stil had a successful career, Scott Parker was stupid to leave us when he did. He hadn't reached a point where his reputation was sufficently high where Chelsea would play him in his preferred position, or even play him at all. It was clear that Arsenal or Man Utd would be in the market for a midfileder in the summer and his reputation was only rising - the team was built around his attributes! By the summer he would have gone as Young Player of the Year (He got that title from his performances for us) possibly in a Champions league place and the ability to walk into a team in his preferred position.
A young player who believes in his ability should always back that ability over short term gain. Ademola Lookman is a player who left for the right club at the right time. He could have done a Poyet but put his career first. He didn't have a dad in the game to advise him either!
Parker Gomez and Lookman fucked off during the course of their contracts.
Didn't hear sympathy for all the academy players and the likes of Church who the club let go once their contract was up.
Gomez and lookman were inevitable. They both signed decent contracts in order to guarantee us a decent fee but both the player and the club knew this was the best course of action for everyone concerned
Parker spat out his dummy and refused to play that's very different.
Poyet was somewhere in between the two. Of the four of them I suspect poyet has the most regret
Parker Gomez and Lookman fucked off during the course of their contracts.
Didn't hear sympathy for all the academy players and the likes of Church who the club let go once their contract was up.
Gomez and lookman were inevitable. They both signed decent contracts in order to guarantee us a decent fee but both the player and the club knew this was the best course of action for everyone concerned
Parker spat out his dummy and refused to play that's very different.
Poyet was somewhere in between the two. Of the four of them I suspect poyet has the most regret
Didn't someone on here post at the time that poyet would have been sent on loan to standard if he signed a new contract which is why he let it run out and join West Ham?
Parker Gomez and Lookman fucked off during the course of their contracts.
Didn't hear sympathy for all the academy players and the likes of Church who the club let go once their contract was up.
Gomez and lookman were inevitable. They both signed decent contracts in order to guarantee us a decent fee but both the player and the club knew this was the best course of action for everyone concerned
Parker spat out his dummy and refused to play that's very different.
Poyet was somewhere in between the two. Of the four of them I suspect poyet has the most regret
Didn't someone on here post at the time that poyet would have been sent on loan to standard if he signed a new contract which is why he let it run out and join West Ham?
Not sure if someone posted that or not but I'm sure he used managerial change as a reason for leaving which would rule out the loan to SL theory
Yes, I thought the SL loan story to be very convenient for the player and those that wanted to blame he club for everything.
I believe it was pure greed and ambition that led him to refuse to sign with us, and I can't blame the player for either. The only thing I would fault him for is lying about his reasons - and the promise to tell all then refusing to follow through. I think he made himself look a bit of a dick, truth be told.
Yes, I thought the SL loan story to be very convenient for the player and those that wanted to blame he club for everything.
I believe it was pure greed andambition that led him to refuse to sign with us, and I can't blame the player for either. The only thing I would fault him for is lying about his reasons - and the promise to tell all then refusing to follow through. I think he made himself look a bit of a dick, truth be told.
Quite different things when football is concerned surely ?
Ultimately he had a contract with Charlton, he fulfilled his contract to us and was offered better terms elsewhere.
I don't recal anyone calling Simon Church greedy when his contract expired and he went somewhere else.
Yes, I thought the SL loan story to be very convenient for the player and those that wanted to blame he club for everything.
I believe it was pure greed and ambition that led him to refuse to sign with us, and I can't blame the player for either. The only thing I would fault him for is lying about his reasons - and the promise to tell all then refusing to follow through. I think he made himself look a bit of a dick, truth be told.
Who knows
I've sometimes thought that SL might have been good for him, as his patient style of football feels more suited to the continental game than the more frantic British game...
Remember Poyet said I'm sure the stories will come out when he left, but he's never come out and told them, and I'm sure if the club dicked him about that much he wouldn't have come back here on loan.
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His second spell with us was shocking, especially when it was Riga who had managed him successfully first time round. I can't see him returning for a 3rd spell soon
The contract situation RD inherited from the spivs wasn't good, with several players with contracts about to run out in the summer
He's loads better suited to playing next to Crofts in KR's current lineup than Ezri Konsa for example. Don't see it happening but given that KR preferred a less talented player to him in their recent spell together at MK, can't see them being interested in working together again now.
We've got a pretty good idea how fond DP is of Charlton's current regime. His return would represent Roly's plan in reverse: premier league star turning out for the baby farm club.
But what do I know - I'm just an unintelligent activist who doesn't have d cloob's interests at heart?
Poyet as that defensive midfielder, with Konsa or JFC beside him and Aribo or JFC in the 10 role would be a very, very good L1 midfield IF Poyet performed. But we all know there's no guarantee of that. I'd of course take the 2014 version of him, but I'm not convinced players can switch it on and off like that. I suspect the young man needs to eat some humble pie, maybe lower his wage demands and up his work rate. It seems ridiculous that he can't find a club.
I also don't think coming back here for a third time would do him any good. We know that we're toxic, that he's hated by quite a dew here, and I just don't see us as being the ones to help him turn his career around.
I'd be happy if KR gave him a short-term contract and let him try and impress in training at least.
Whilst he stil had a successful career, Scott Parker was stupid to leave us when he did. He hadn't reached a point where his reputation was sufficently high where Chelsea would play him in his preferred position, or even play him at all. It was clear that Arsenal or Man Utd would be in the market for a midfileder in the summer and his reputation was only rising - the team was built around his attributes! By the summer he would have gone as Young Player of the Year (He got that title from his performances for us) possibly in a Champions league place and the ability to walk into a team in his preferred position.
A young player who believes in his ability should always back that ability over short term gain. Ademola Lookman is a player who left for the right club at the right time. He could have done a Poyet but put his career first. He didn't have a dad in the game to advise him either!
Parker Gomez and Lookman fucked off during the course of their contracts.
Didn't hear sympathy for all the academy players and the likes of Church who the club let go once their contract was up.
Parker spat out his dummy and refused to play that's very different.
Poyet was somewhere in between the two. Of the four of them I suspect poyet has the most regret
I believe it was pure greed and ambition that led him to refuse to sign with us, and I can't blame the player for either. The only thing I would fault him for is lying about his reasons - and the promise to tell all then refusing to follow through. I think he made himself look a bit of a dick, truth be told.
Ultimately he had a contract with Charlton, he fulfilled his contract to us and was offered better terms elsewhere.
I don't recal anyone calling Simon Church greedy when his contract expired and he went somewhere else.
I've sometimes thought that SL might have been good for him, as his patient style of football feels more suited to the continental game than the more frantic British game...