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Burnley (H) May 2016 Protest/Post Match Thread
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Hi Viewfinder, a pleasure! As a man known for incoherent ramblings (though not ones designed for attention necessarily), I can certainly relateRob said:
@SDAddick. Meet Mr. @Viewfinder. You'll get him after a while. He's a pain in the arse with verbal diarrhea, thinks he can write but actually writes bollox to get a reaction.SDAddick said:
I think you're being incredible harsh. To say Harriott fluffed his lines is ridiculous, Heaton made an absolutely brilliant save. Lookman at times lacks a final product/decision making but he's 18 and he should have won a penalty early on. I agree that Igor struggled, but to compare him, or any of them, to Churchy...Viewfinder said:We played quickly in the first half: bright and probing. Good moves - until Lookman misplaced the simplest of passes, and Harriott muffed the one-on-one with the keeper.
Our strikers are comical; who needs Nogoals? Vetokele is free, ball at feet - and it skids under his boot. He did the same at The Valley two years ago against Millwall, and it was comical again today.
I like Simon Church: he sprints at the defender, makes a block. It has taken our 'strikers' two seasons to understand. They are hopeless and funny, sauntering without intent. Calamity Harriott does a double step-ever, then trips over himself.
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.
It has taken has four years for our keeper to release the ball: quickly, kick low and accurate, set the strikers free. Elliot did it accurately - it helps.
After the debacle at Bolton a few weeks ago, Jackson said: "It's all our fault." He said: We have failed you.
He is damn right.
Gonna hope the drink is speaking a bit on this one.
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@Rob good point well made. His second post really drove that home.0 -
Sad day yesterday. Like many it will be my last home game until this lot go.
At a guess I would say only 3 or 4 of yesterday's starting 11 will be with the club next year and who knows what more damage will be done by a summer of RD/KM's decision making.
Good luck to those who've renewed. I wish you hadn't but understand why you have.
Fingers crossed that takeover talks are progressing.1 -
I thought we played well first half and were unlucky to go in 1 down. Lookman looked exciting throughout the game, and it was good to see Kashi back. The start of the second half showed why Burnley are at the other end of the table, it doesn't need 90 minutes, just 5 minutes of excellence will kill us off.
Yesterday wasn't about the football though.
Walking around the pitch at the end of the game, the bastard sofa strewn across the pitch, was the pinnacle of anger and hatred towards this regime. Throughout the game, this was so much more than CARD organising protests and directing action, this was spontaneous individuals taking responsibility for the fight.
On the pitch at the end we showed this club for what we really are; gracious in Burnley's success, but angry that this sense of community will never be shared with those owning and running the club.
This is going to be a long long struggle and the momentum from yesterday has to continue through the summer and beyond. At Sparrows Lane, the ground and in Belgium. Wherever RD and KM show their head, we must be there.28 -
I love Football and Charlton.ForeverAddickted said:
But did the ducks have to be slaughtered.
You crossed the Line.
Pluck off.3 -
If KM and RM left at half time, as people have said, who stayed to be the official face of CAFC after the game to the Burnley board? Disgraceful!2
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I haven't read through everything, so apologies if this has been mentioned - I was in front of the directors box after the game and I couldn't believe what was going on there.
10 mins after the game the stewards were hounding people in the directors box to leave their seats. One middle age guy was manhandled along the row and ended up falling onto the stairs.
A former associate(?) director (I know the guy and he has put money in to the club over the years) and another man were in a heated confrontation with a couple of these boneheads. Another former associate director and lifelong fan was having a row with a couple of these tosspots as he was moved along.
Also, an elderly man in the front row was confronted by a couple of these idiots, but he refused to move. The stewards got an absolute mouthful from fans nearby for trying to intimidate the old guy and in the end one of them sat next to him and tried to talk him around. He was still there half an hour later. The elderly gentleman looked genuinely bewildered by events.
WTF are these people doing wrong by sitting in their seats or standing up there after the game?
Why the heavy handed tactics from the stewards? What is achieved by moving these people?
The stewards have a job to do, but there is no justification for treating people like this.
Strangely I never noticed the stewards pick on anyone who looked like they might be able to put up a fight. Fucking cowards.29 -
Chris ParkesEynsfordaddick said:If KM and RM left at half time, as people have said, who stayed to be the official face of CAFC after the game to the Burnley board? Disgraceful!
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And his wife Sue!stonemuse said:
Chris ParkesEynsfordaddick said:If KM and RM left at half time, as people have said, who stayed to be the official face of CAFC after the game to the Burnley board? Disgraceful!
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I was born in a pebble-dashed semi in Stood, but I can't work out whether to be flattered or offended by your comment.Viewfinder said:
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.6 -
Depends on if it was a bungalow or house.Uboat said:
I was born in a pebble-dashed semi in Stood, but I can't work out whether to be flattered or offended by your comment.Viewfinder said:
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.
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You are always harking on about the past. The trouble with that is you won't be able enjoy the good times when they eventually happen because no one will be able to reach the heights that former players reached.Viewfinder said:We played quickly in the first half: bright and probing. Good moves - until Lookman misplaced the simplest of passes, and Harriott muffed the one-on-one with the keeper.
Our strikers are comical; who needs Nogoals? Vetokele is free, ball at feet - and it skids under his boot. He did the same at The Valley two years ago against Millwall, and it was comical again today.
I like Simon Church: he sprints at the defender, makes a block. It has taken our 'strikers' two seasons to understand. They are hopeless and funny, sauntering without intent. Calamity Harriott does a double step-over, then trips over himself.
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.
It has taken four years for our keeper to release the ball: quickly, kick low and accurate, set the strikers free. Elliot did it accurately - it helps.
After the debacle at Bolton a few weeks ago, Jackson said: "It's all our fault." He said: "We have failed you".
He is damn right.
The problem with Lookman is we won't see how he turns out because this child, as you put it, is being scouted by the biggest clubs in England.
Ben Hamer was pretty good at getting the ball out quickly. And at times Pope got the ball out quick too.1 -
Luxury.Uboat said:
I was born in a pebble-dashed semi in Stood.Viewfinder said:
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.
I was born in a cross fire hurricane myself.
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Didn't think there was anything flash about you Seth. :-)1
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Thank God Charlton fans have never been in the oppositions end or gone onto their pitch on securing promotion or becoming champions.sam3110 said:
Shouldn't be in the home stands in the first place though should they, so certainly shouldn't then jump up when Burnley score, or sing Burnley songs. May not be the majority of them but that was the only interaction I had with their fans and therefore that's my view of them.lancashire lad said:
Samsam3110 said:
Couldn't give a toss if they had Roland out banners or not, sitting in the home end and jumping up when Burnley score, and then threatening a woman in her mid 50's because she calls you out about it, then when they get removed by stewards, they suddenly pop up at the bottom of the JS stand giving us all wanker signs. Then to cap it off going on someone else's pitch at full time, breaking hoardings along the way and continue to lord it up in front of us. No class whatsoever from the northern twuntsTodds_right_hook said:
Totally agree!!!!!! Those burnnley supporters running around pitch with anti Roland posters sacrificing their moment of glory to fight our corner should not only be banned from every ground in the country but also shot in the street.sam3110 said:Fucking joke these stewards are.
I wish there was a way of banning every Burnley fan on the pitch from any game next season, mugs
I was critical of them before today on another post but think that the support from them at full time was brilliant. It's ok though Roland. Only 2% ran onto the pitch and joined in
From what I witnessed on the pitch after the final whistle and talking to a number of the Burnley fans you are wrong about the majority of them and why shouldn't they jump up when they scored, OK if they abused someone that was wrong but that was a minority and what's wrong with being from the north of England?
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I thought overall it was the best end to the season that could've happened. However tempting it might be for us to get a game abandoned, I think we've actually showed a tremendous amount of respect to both Brighton and Burnley in not going that far, and they've both returned that respect by joining in with our campaign.
I want to use this post to say thank you to both those sets of fans, but particularly CARD and everyone who has come up, participated in and contributed to our efforts to remove the scum from our club. They don't belong here, have completely destroyed the club in their 2 years of ownership and we will not begin to look forward until they are gone. Every penny that's gone into the protest fund, every ounce of effort that's gone into handing out a badge, travelling to Belgium, attending meetings to discuss tactics/ideas and generally people giving up their own time, is greatly appreciated and it's important to thank those involved.
for us to keep working to get these assholes out of our club will take much much more effort and focus, and some of you have made your decision to refuse to be part of it anymore and not renew. I respect everyone's decision to do that, it must be a gut wrenching decision that will leave a hole in your Saturday afternoons come next year. I can't quite bring myself to do that, I just can't. I will be there next season. I will continue to join in whatever protests are organised and I know the fight won't end here.
I hope that close season brings with it change, however unlikely that is. If it doesn't bring change then I hope the people that have done so much to spearhead the campaign continue to do so, because in my eyes everything you've done so far as been invaluable and everyone involved (however small your contribution) deserves to applauded.
I still won't criticise any fan who doesn't believe the protests are a good thing, it's their choice, their club as much as mine. I will simply have to disagree with them.
Do I want to go into my first season in 28 years of supporting the club not looking forward to it, of course not. However that's the reality I'm facing up too with these tossers in charge. It won't stop me protesting and I look forward to the day we see Roland and Katrien leave.
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Lots of events symbolic of the poor state of the club and the lack of focus and ineptness of this regieme. The football on the pitch was almost incidental yesterday. Yet it was another 3-0 drubbing to add to the many 3-0 drubbings with another team second half surrender.
At Charlton 75+ year old supporters are fully searched. The whole focus of the stewarding skewed focusing on Charlton protests.
Leicester had a 90 year old season ticket holder who due to ill health could not attend. Leicester brought the Championship trophy to her house with her Leicester City mad supporting family in attendance.
At half time with a rare good news story the Under 21 champions presentation was completely botched as they fail to read out the names of the players. Many of these will be in the first team in season. They could have filmed it and put on the big screen. Another opportunity missed. No sense of style or class.
The liar banner excellent. I really liked the in game lone protestor. More blue bibbed steward heavy handed in the East stand. With long standing & good sense head of operations going and Tony Keohane calling the shots expect more of this supporter alienating behaviour next season driving a further wedge between supporters and the club.
The focus of the police and stewarding efforts on containing / curtailing protest and stopping a pitch incurson, leaving the Burnley end unstewarded. Whilst Burnley supporters ran on their hundreds to celebrate, I had to watch heavy handed stewards fight with Charlton supporters to keep them off. I was glad to see Charlton supporters get on the pitch, partially destroy the sofa and put up a really good demonstration.
It was only the good nature and relationship between the celebrating Burnley supporters and the protesting Charlton supporters that helped the situation go ok. No thanks to the blinkered approach from the club. CARDs excellent work handing out the free program & explaining what is going wrong at the club pre match and throughout social media helped with that.
In the end it turned out to be an impressive unity & contrast of supporters going & up and going down. Yet another timely reminder of what a medium sized premiership promotion club looks like and another that is owned & run by people who do not have a clue.
All in all, the credibility of the Senior Management Team is shot to pieces, Meire in particular torn to shreds. There is no coming back from this. The relationship with the supporters torn apart. Duchatelet & Meire have got to go & will go in the end. Its not if but when & how long it will take. For everybody's sake, including Duchatelet & Meire, with Charlton supporters in mind it particular, it would be better if that was as soon as possible.40 -
Exactly vff ...no coming back from this.0
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Or toiletI_was_Floyd said:
Depends on if it was a bungalow or house.Uboat said:
I was born in a pebble-dashed semi in Stood, but I can't work out whether to be flattered or offended by your comment.Viewfinder said:
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.
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Whoever was the enemy of who yesterday, it certainly wasn't Charlton Supporters/Hooligans verses Burnley Supporters/Hooligans.
The mood music throughout my lifetime has nearly always been about rival sets of hooligan fans going at each other, and there has been some justification in that.
However what the establishment and media have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards, is the notion that no, not all football fans are hyped for trouble. It is a minority, a tiny minority at that, if the inquest into Hillsborough said anything it is not to assume fans are troublemakers.
So yesterday we still had those old assumptions writ large. We, you and me and everybody we see around us at matches, are seen as the enemy, we are the enemy in the eyes of the idiots that are supposed to keep us safe and happy, and then to tell the truth about us.
'Expect trouble' those security people are told, 'Trust no one', 'You are the goodies, they are the baddies'.
It is to their overwhelming credit that the last people Charlton supporters wanted to have a go at, and the last people the Burnley supporters wanted to have a go at, was each-other. Thousands of fans of both sides completely get that in an instant.
However when managing situations it is not thousands of people who make the call is it? There are pinch point individuals like match commanders, private security bosses, and people at the club like Tony Keohane. football authority observers and advisors, if those people are not clear sighted or clear headed we have had it.
My contention is that those individuals, due to either ignorance, prejudice, personal agenda's or money considerations often can't see the wood from the trees. For many of those individuals common sense is uncommon sense. I think there are exceptions, people who are prepared to make the effort to understand and deal with things well, as all involved with CARD have done every step of the way, some regime representatives have not got the credit they probably deserve to keep things as well managed as they can in these circumstances.
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Police and security on riot setting, netting, Am fucking nesty bins, and search dogs all scream of ignorance and overkill.
Yes regime, you will continue to have to deal with problems we will continue to cause, and your reaction certainly yesterday has been disproportionate.
Do you lot on the regime really want this to continue? The options you are choosing are making things worse, are you so stupid you can't see that?28 -
Parkes and Cheesewright.Eynsfordaddick said:If KM and RM left at half time, as people have said, who stayed to be the official face of CAFC after the game to the Burnley board? Disgraceful!
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On the way out of the ground after leaving my season ticket at the feet of the Black & White scarfed Sam Bartram statue; I saw a hooded Adeola Lookman taking pictures & selfies with supporters at the back of the club shop at the back of the west stand. Adeola got a rousing & spontaneous chant & song as he left, with a few good lucks (for his next club, 8 million and counting being talked about between, Tottenham, Chelsea & Liverpool). Although he is still a raw talent, it is clear Adeola will be a class act.
I was thinking that seeing Adeola walking away into the car park, that this was the last time, I will see him at Charlton. A premiership star of the future, but not at Charlton, whilst Charlton tumble down the leagues. Remember what Murray said about not having to sell the young, talented players at the club. More meaningless regieme lies & empty promises about the future. It was a sad and telling end to the end of this rubbish season.29 -
seth plum said:
Luxury.Uboat said:
I was born in a pebble-dashed semi in Stood.Viewfinder said:
Lookman is a child, stumbling over a beach-ball, a toddler crashing in to the plastic furniture in a the back garden of a pebble-dashed semi in Strood.
I was born in a cross fire hurricane myself.
And I was born under a wanderin' star.
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I was born free.....0
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I was from my mothers womb untimely ripp'd .1
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I was born to be wild......
Apart from when my knee plays me up.8 -
Good post, vff.vff said:On the way out of the ground after leaving my season ticket on Black & White scarfed Sam Bartram statue. I saw a hooded Adeola Lookman taking pictures & selfies with supporters at the back of the club shop at the back of the west stand. Adeola got a rousing & spontaneous chant & song as he left, with a few good lucks (for his next club, 8 million and counting being talked about between, Tottenham, Chelsea & Liverpool). Although he is still a raw talent, it is clear Adeola will be a class act.
I was thinking that seeing Adeola walking away into the car park, that this was the last time, I will see him at Charlton. A premiership star of the future, but not at Charlton, whilst Charlton tumble down the league. Remember what Murray said about not having to sell the young, talented players at the club. More meaningles regieme lies & empty promises about the future. It was a sad and telling end to the end of this rubbish season.
Have you alerted the police to the loss of your "m" ?
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The senior management talk about learning from mistakes and working hard to get the club back on track but there's no evidence of this. In fact everything they do deepens the rift between supporters and the club and increases the level of opposition.
The netting, brainless body searches of OAPs and one-sided heavy handed stewarding yesterday tell us that they have learnt jack and are not working to get us back to any level of normality. They either don't want to or don't know how to.
Now I won't be renewing my season ticket but I will be going to a number of away matches and going to the occasional home match, particularly where protest events are planned. And I'll be moving from the Upper West to parts of The Valley where I can get more involved.
I suspect there are many like me that won't be renewing but want to support the protests. The matches remain our best opportunity for visible protest.
The challenge for CARD and something for many of us to ponder is how we adapt our tactics for the next phase. Yesterday convinced me that we can keep the protests going despite the falling attendances and that Charlton Athletic is a cause worth fighting for.11 -
Murray has no say and no mandate. His mask slipped a long time ago. I would so love Peter Varney, not Luke, to come back and dismiss Murray as his first act.1
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I've not been born yet, I am travelling back through time.0
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Good day all round. The CARD organised protests worked well. The sit in was good humoured and worked well. Enjoyed giving out programmes and posters for CARD. (Big up team Ransom walk) The time spent by myself and many other CARD volunteers explaining the situation to Burnley fans, asking them of they would hold up a poster for us and congratulating them on their promotion (and soon to be league title) I think helped smooth things over between the two sets of fans. Many were worried that we would ruin their day and when they heard we had no plans to abandon the match they were all on side. I even persuaded a few to not buy the official programme.
It's a disgrace that stewards were taking posters off them as they entered the Jimmy Seed.
The searching at the north lower turnstiles wasn't very thorough. The guy who 'searched' me and my mates said he was a Charlton fan. He also said that my flag was too big but if I folded it up before his supervisor saw it then I'd be okay. We managed to smuggle in 3 sponge balls, 5 inflatable guitars, and 1 inflatable bloody sofa. The net prevented these from being very effective but we improvised and tied them in balls and lobbed them over the net.
Didn't really watch the game if I am honest! So nothing to report there. Think the liar flag and smoke bombs were brilliant. Enjoyed the fun on the pitch after the match. Had to take a long route round from the north upper and managed to make a title of myself by twice falling over when trying to jump a row of seats. Enjoyed ripping up that bloody sofa. Wanted it to become a sit in on the pitch for a few hours. But not many would join me.
Must have shook hands with at least 50 Burnley fans and they were joining with us in anti Roland chants. And we were join with their Champions chants. Quality.
Ended up getting pissed on the Green in Blackheath. Spoke to a load more Burnley fans who were just as classy. Got the situation and told us to keep on fighting. Their directors were in the pub buying pints for everyone. They were talking about the contrast with ours who see us as the enemy.
All in all a good day.23
