Jordan Cousins to QPR (gone, confirmed)
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Need to go on the QPR sites and slag him off. We can then get him up on a free when we go up next season!3
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Thisletthegoodtimesroll said:We can always stick in a cheeky bid for him this time next year when we've been promoted and QPR have gone down
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You don't realise what you are missing until it is gone.3
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Some people are really weird with academy products and decide that they get a free ride for being homegrown and are actually shit. Rob Elliot used to get pelters but he would have been Ireland's number 1 at the Euros if not for that injury. Cousins gets retconned into a hard-working but useless clogger, like a tall Matt Spring and Harriott's community support award didn't stop him from being arrogant and having a bad attitude. Poyet went from our next great hope to a sideways shuffler even without the failed loan return. It doesn't ever seem to occur to these people that one of the byproducts of us selling our kids so early is that we only ever see them as young players and don't get the benefit of seeing them as developed professionals.Johnnysummers5 said:Why do some people on here dislike Jordan cousins so much, QPR get hammered and its all down to him
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Jordan is a good solid Championship player with a great engine and attitude. He is just lacking in passing ability and goal scoring to be a top Premiership player.7
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A season in a promotion chasing Div 1 side would have sorted that out...dickplumb said:Jordan is a good solid Championship player with a great engine and attitude. He is just lacking in passing ability and goal scoring to be a top Premiership player.
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I really can't see us being promoted this season. Lack of creativity in midfield will hold us back. Jordan made the right move for his career.14
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Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.20 -
I think there's a big difference between being relegated to the Championship and to L1. The Championship is full of former or would be PL clubs, and is still fairly high profile whereas in L1 you really notice the difference.PragueAddick said:Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.
I don't know why Shelvey agreed to stay, but it has to be said that his career has stalled, and Swansea wanted him out. Townsend who joined at the same time as Shelvey, quickly left again5 -
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Maybe he stayed because no one came in for him?0
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Buffon, Del Piero et al all stayed at Juve when they were relegated for match fixing and soon got them back up. Loyalty is something that no longer exists in the EPL.PragueAddick said:Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.0 -
Bravo JonJo. It takes a big man to stand byPragueAddick said:Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.an £80k/ week, 5 year contracta club when it's relegated. If only other players would follow his selfless example.10 -
Parachute Payments help a lot though dont they...PragueAddick said:Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.
We've not got the luxury of being paid Championship Payments so that we can survive in League One0 -
You think he should have signed for Scunthorpe instead then?letthegoodtimesroll said:
A season in a promotion chasing Div 1 side would have sorted that out...dickplumb said:Jordan is a good solid Championship player with a great engine and attitude. He is just lacking in passing ability and goal scoring to be a top Premiership player.
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This is soft-headed. Most of our players give their all; most players are physically fit; not many have Cousins' energy in the middle of the park, but not many central midfielders made me clench my fists and curse at the ground so much. He gave the ball away so often and couldn't run a game. We would invariably get dominated with Cousins gamely harrying the opposition's men in possession. Nothing against him personally, but I don't think he's a very good central midfielder, and I'm pretty sure QPR's fans will be in agreement by the end of the season.wmcf123 said:
No idea. He gave his all for us for 3 seasons ; tremendous energy and commitment . Many criticise because he doesn't pass like Claus Jensen ; the same people that criticise Claus for not tackling, probablyJohnnysummers5 said:Why do some people on here dislike Jordan cousins so much, QPR get hammered and its all down to him
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I don't know the numbers but I suspect that the demand for teams to sign him for c. £12m and then commit to another c. £16m in wages might be a barrier to Newcastle receiving offers. Apart from anything else, I don't remember reading any rumours about him leaving so it just might be that there were no offers for him.PragueAddick said:Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.
The circumstances of his departure from Swansea and the rumours about him might have put teams off stumping up £28m plus.0 -
I think this is probably the closest answer to the truth on this oneiaitch said:Maybe he stayed because no one came in for him?
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Rumour from a Swansea supporting mate has it that Jonjo has built a bit of a reputation, poor trainer, entitled attitude etc...kinveachyaddick said:
I think this is probably the closest answer to the truth on this oneiaitch said:Maybe he stayed because no one came in for him?
I hope that is made up as I liked him, still keep an eye out for him.2 -
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Whilst I'm not unsympathetic with the sentiment, efforts to draw comparisons between our and Newcastle's situation are a bit flawed, or at least I don't think it's fair to use what Newcastle have done as a glowing example that further highlights our club's failings.PragueAddick said:Mention of JonJo reminds us that it is not a universal truth that a relegated team has to sell all its most valuable assets, because those "assets" all want to leave to play at a higher level. JonJo is an England internationl, and several FAPL teams would I am sure have been keen to sign him. But he seems to keen to stay at Newcastle and get them back up. I guess he decided that -despite Ashley - the rest of the set-up there is likely to bring success.
In the same way, when we got relegated in 1999, the only asset we sold was Mills because he was a knob-head for whom we got full value. Mark Kinsella, Clive Mendonca, Richard Rufus, et al, no problem to roll up sleeves and do the job a division lower.
I am pretty confident that if he felt the set-up at our place was right, or at least becoming right, Jordan would have stayed too.
Firstly, even we haven't sold everybody of value from last seasons squad. Admittedly injury/fitness concerns may have contributed to them staying, but Solly and Bauer, for example, are still here as is the perhaps the biggest of our crown jewels Lookman. In comparison, Newcastle have also sold several of their 'better' players and for 10s of millions of pounds - having that kind of income, plus the parachute payments must surely be a big help with carrying a few latent high earners like Jonjo.
I suspect Jonjo is also not seen in quite the same glowing light in the rest of football as he is here at Charlton. He didn't quite cut it a Liverpool, started well as Swansea but lost his way and then spent a good chunk of time on the bench at Newcastle. I think he actually has a bit to prove right now and I suspect he may not have been as in demand as Charlton fans might expect.
Also, Newcastle, for all their failings, are a huge club. Even in the Championship Jonjo will be able to play in front of 50k plus crowds and, in Benitez, work with one of Europe's most established names in coaching. Strong selling points if you're trying to convince players to stay at the club.2 -
To be fair none of our exes our hardly setting the world alight0
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One of my exes is setting the world alight. She's just been done for arson.15
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He should be the best player by a mile in that division . There's clearly little between the ears, however. I hope he makes it back to the premier league and really fulfills his potentialCharlton_Stu said:1 -
For those asking, I'm criticising Cousins because I don't think he is very good at football. Hope I've not upset anyone.4
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Remember all those crap games with our team full of overseas junk ?
Only Solly Jordan Popey and Jacko gave a toss.
JC gave his all for CAFC and is welcome anytime.17 -
Compared to who? Unless Ulvestad goes on to really impress he's better than any CMs we have now. He's a long way off being a Premier League player though. Probably why he's back in the Championship.BR7_addick said:For those asking, I'm criticising Cousins because I don't think he is very good at football. Hope I've not upset anyone.
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Cousins played most of his games for our Academy and England Youth as a very highly rated defender.BR7_addick said:For those asking, I'm criticising Cousins because I don't think he is very good at football. Hope I've not upset anyone.
And IMO you can see that he's essentially a defender.
Chris Powell put him in our 1st team because of his terrific engine, to bring energy and commitment to midfield.
Cousins did that very well - but his hard running and playing at full stretch has often meant his 1st touch and passing sometimes lets him down.
Eventually, he'll end up back playing as defender, I reckon.
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What does soft-headed mean ?Leuth said:
This is soft-headed. Most of our players give their all; most players are physically fit; not many have Cousins' energy in the middle of the park, but not many central midfielders made me clench my fists and curse at the ground so much. He gave the ball away so often and couldn't run a game. We would invariably get dominated with Cousins gamely harrying the opposition's men in possession. Nothing against him personally, but I don't think he's a very good central midfielder, and I'm pretty sure QPR's fans will be in agreement by the end of the season.wmcf123 said:
No idea. He gave his all for us for 3 seasons ; tremendous energy and commitment . Many criticise because he doesn't pass like Claus Jensen ; the same people that criticise Claus for not tackling, probablyJohnnysummers5 said:Why do some people on here dislike Jordan cousins so much, QPR get hammered and its all down to him
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Imagine getting rid of your best CM, people moaning he was shit didnt offer anything blah blah, and then replacing him with Foley, Crofts and Ulvestad. All 3 aren't fit to clean JCs boots. Another great decision by the belgians. Hope people who constanly slagged him off are now happy.16
