In the Referendum on whether to renew my season ticket or not, I was firmly on the side of Chexit. I haven't renewed and each passing day makes me more certain it was the right decision.
This undisclosed bollocks really gets on my tits as well.
I know they're within their rights and all that, but it still annoys me and only makes me think it is a convenient cover for their incompetence.
Hate to say it the undisclosed moaning from fans is what gets on my tits.
Unless its a big name in the world of Football we NEVER know how much a player is being signed for, even then its usually the press just inventing a figure for them to fill their rags!!
SO he sign up beginning of last season with the thought of if we got relegated he can get out says it all
JC was one of our better players - I don't believe he is Prem quality but certainly better than League 1. It would be entirely reasonable that if we were relegated (which would have been a distinct possibility based on goings on at the club) a 'relegation release clause' would have been insisted upon by his agent as a condition of signing a new contract.
That's how it works, people - footballers have a limited life career and it makes sense to protect that career. I would not blame Jordan for having such a clause built into his then new contract.
I understand that but I wouldn't want anyone working for me to put a failure clause in. I just don't see how this leads to player positivity in any work place.
Charlton's initial asking price for Cousins was £3m, according to a good source. They couldn't find anyone to pay it and it was regarded as unrealistic.
SO he sign up beginning of last season with the thought of if we got relegated he can get out says it all
JC was one of our better players - I don't believe he is Prem quality but certainly better than League 1. It would be entirely reasonable that if we were relegated (which would have been a distinct possibility based on goings on at the club) a 'relegation release clause' would have been insisted upon by his agent as a condition of signing a new contract.
That's how it works, people - footballers have a limited life career and it makes sense to protect that career. I would not blame Jordan for having such a clause built into his then new contract.
I understand that but I wouldn't want anyone working for me to put a failure clause in. I just don't see how this lead lawyer to positivity in any work place.
No, neither would I in regards to my main area of work responsibility. But I also have responsibility for the people aspect of a Prem football club and that is not a normal workplace for the playing side of the operation. Most employees don't have a series of short, fixed-term contracts, and neither do they have a transfer value! They also expect their careers to last a bit longer!
Charlton's initial asking price for Cousins was £3m, according to a good source. They couldn't find anyone to pay it and it was regarded as unrealistic.
So according to this source, is the relegation clause a reality, and if so, do we now understand that it did not specify the fee? That is the implication of what your source is saying.
I find it difficult to believe, really. While we are all far less expert on player valuations than we think, there have been enough concrete examples give in this thread as benchmarks to show that £3m is perfectly reasonable in England's ludicrously overheated market.
Indeed we were all told that our ideas for Gomez at £5-8m were unrealistic too, and then watched as he waltzed straight into the Liverpool first team and became their best purchase of the summer in the eyes of their fans.
Charlton's initial asking price for Cousins was £3m, according to a good source. They couldn't find anyone to pay it and it was regarded as unrealistic.
So according to this source, is the relegation clause a reality, and if so, do we now understand that it did not specify the fee? That is the implication of what your source is saying.
I find it difficult to believe, really. While we are all far less expert on player valuations than we think, there have been enough concrete examples give in this thread as benchmarks to show that £3m is perfectly reasonable in England's ludicrously overheated market.
Indeed we were all told that our ideas for Gomez at £5-8m were unrealistic too, and then watched as he waltzed straight into the Liverpool first team and became their best purchase of the summer in the eyes of their fans.
I don't know anything about an "escape clause" or what it might say. It seems unlikely to me that Charlton would offer a contract that entitled Cousins to leave for £1.25m, but you can only get what other clubs will pay regardless of what you want. My question would be whether it was necessary to sell Cousins in mid-July, with six weeks of the transfer window remaining. The transfer window is essentially a game of chicken, which is why so many deals happen on or just before deadline day.
If your priority is to build a promotion-winning side and you do not have a cashflow issue I don't know why you would need to sell early.
As you know i watch a lot of U18 and U21 football. It really pains me that the majority of players from the academy who show some promise will be sold. I know it has always been so but the Academy is just a player farm for the benefit of other Clubs. The release clause and buy out clause is the curse of Clubs like us.How do you get young Academy prospects to sign a new Contract? You offer them a buy out clause. The trick is to have it high enough and this is where we have failed miseably. 3.5M for Gomez. 1.2 to 1.4 for Cousins? to me is far too low.
As you know i watch a lot of U18 and U21 football. It really pains me that the majority of players from the academy who show some promise will be sold. I know it has always been so but the Academy is just a player farm for the benefit of other Clubs. The release clause and buy out clause is the curse of Clubs like us.How do you get young Academy prospects to sign a new Contract? You offer them a buy out clause. The trick is to have it high enough and this is where we have failed miseably. 3.5M for Gomez. 1.2 to 1.4 for Cousins? to me is far too low.
Its the same for many clubs though and is why many dont bother having Academies anymore.
This undisclosed bollocks really gets on my tits as well.
I know they're within their rights and all that, but it still annoys me and only makes me think it is a convenient cover for their incompetence.
Hate to say it the undisclosed moaning from fans is what gets on my tits.
Unless its a big name in the world of Football we NEVER know how much a player is being signed for, even then its usually the press just inventing a figure for them to fill their rags!!
Charlton's initial asking price for Cousins was £3m, according to a good source. They couldn't find anyone to pay it and it was regarded as unrealistic.
Had this confirmed (and I see Ketts also confirmed it ) The Cousins deal was 1.5 which was double QPR first offer of 750,000. On Saturday after welling QPR made a new offer of 850,000 perhaps because of WBA being there ?( Brighton offered 600,000) Charlton of course turned it down looking for 3 mill but a club can put a figure on someone head but unless a club offers it it's worthless . Monday Cousins saw KM and asked to be allowed to move to QPR because he wanted to stay in London and could a deal be done before the team left for Austria. Looks like both clubs agreed to meet half way there is a sell on clause and other payments that QPR are taking over . Cousins was unlikely to stay at Charlton even if we stayed up.
i was also told that Cousins was on 18k ????
Colin - there's as much chance of Cousins having been on £18k a week as there is of you being the next Prime Minister.
Charlton's initial asking price for Cousins was £3m, according to a good source. They couldn't find anyone to pay it and it was regarded as unrealistic.
Had this confirmed (and I see Ketts also confirmed it ) The Cousins deal was 1.5 which was double QPR first offer of 750,000. On Saturday after welling QPR made a new offer of 850,000 perhaps because of WBA being there ?( Brighton offered 600,000) Charlton of course turned it down looking for 3 mill but a club can put a figure on someone head but unless a club offers it it's worthless . Monday Cousins saw KM and asked to be allowed to move to QPR because he wanted to stay in London and could a deal be done before the team left for Austria. Looks like both clubs agreed to meet half way there is a sell on clause and other payments that QPR are taking over . Cousins was unlikely to stay at Charlton even if we stayed up.
i was also told that Cousins was on 18k ????
Colin - there's as much chance of Cousins having been on £18k a week as there is of you being the next Prime Minister.
Had this confirmed (and I see Ketts also confirmed it ) The Cousins deal was 1.5 which was double QPR first offer of 750,000. On Saturday after welling QPR made a new offer of 850,000 perhaps because of WBA being there ?( Brighton offered 600,000) Charlton of course turned it down looking for 3 mill but a club can put a figure on someone head but unless a club offers it it's worthless . Monday Cousins saw KM and asked to be allowed to move to QPR because he wanted to stay in London and could a deal be done before the team left for Austria. Looks like both clubs agreed to meet half way there is a sell on clause and other payments that QPR are taking over . Cousins was unlikely to stay at Charlton even if we stayed up.
i was also told that Cousins was on 18k ????
Colin - there's as much chance of Cousins having been on £18k a week as there is of you being the next Prime Minister.
Careful. The memory of Mummy Leadsom is still fresh....
good of them. by the way Ketts doesn't confirm the above, he says 'Jordan Cousins completed his switch to Queens Park Rangers on Wednesday, for a fee believed to be around £1,500,000.' In essence he knows as little as you.
If you needed reassurance that the Belgians are clueless - here it is. As Airman says - why move so early when cashflow is not an issue ?
I'm not saying JC is a world beater (seems to have been with us forever), but nowadays the POTY tag seems to signal a transfer (except for Solly) and IMO this is a bad sign at any club.
This is going to be another dross season if we don't get some midfield creativity. We will just see another year of build up from the back and nowhere to go with the ball. Same as last year and it is un-watchable.
No doubt some Luxumbourg U21 midfielder is joining us for £5m to play 5 games and be loaned out to Turkey, meanwhile Cousins gets QPR promoted and we offer to buy him back for double
It wouldn't surprise me if Jordan had a relegation escape clause, players and their agents these days insist these days, and thanks to Bosman have a lot more power
I raised the question as to whether academies are worth it for lower division clubs myself a few weeks ago.
The big clubs hoover up vast numbers of young players, then release a load of them aged 20/21. For a club in L1/L2, it makes much more sense to try and sign the best of these rather than go through the expense of coaching them from the age of 8
Look, I'm as keen that the regime clear off as anybody else but a few months ago it was a panic to get a manager in so we could build our squad - now its a case of why are we panicking and selling players rather than waiting to the last minute? Its a 2 way street, building a squad and it appears that nobody in the London area was willing to pay more so instead of keeping a good servant tagging along, they have done the honourable thing. In danger of losing credibility when everything is seen as a disaster or stories like the solly thing are put about. They have messed up royally with most things but if we are to stand a chance of building a squad for next season we have to do so asap.
As you know i watch a lot of U18 and U21 football. It really pains me that the majority of players from the academy who show some promise will be sold. I know it has always been so but the Academy is just a player farm for the benefit of other Clubs. The release clause and buy out clause is the curse of Clubs like us.How do you get young Academy prospects to sign a new Contract? You offer them a buy out clause. The trick is to have it high enough and this is where we have failed miseably. 3.5M for Gomez. 1.2 to 1.4 for Cousins? to me is far too low.
Even more so the lower down the league system we fall.
Added to that the new premier league deal means that pretty much any top flight club can now take a low risk gamble even if a kid costs 2-3m because that's a drop in the ocean to the 100m+ they now get.
If you look at the bigger picture, it's the relegation that has led to this sale. Cousins has every right to ask to leave. He'll be of the belief he is better than league one, and I would agree with him. If we hadn't have had such a disaster of a season, then we may still have had Cousins playing with us, we may have also got a better fee if we'd have narrowly missed out on the play offs say.
As it is, if what Airman says is correct about the 3m initial asking price, then I don't see there is much more the club could've done. They started at what they thought he was worth, didn't get much interest, so lowered accordingly. Seems to me the market dictated the price for Cousins in this instance, not the club
If you look at the bigger picture, it's the relegation that has led to this sale. Cousins has every right to ask to leave. He'll be of the belief he is better than league one, and I would agree with him. If we hadn't have had such a disaster of a season, then we may still have had Cousins playing with us, we may have also got a better fee if we'd have narrowly missed out on the play offs say.
As it is, if what Airman says is correct about the 3m initial asking price, then I don't see there is much more the club could've done. They started at what they thought he was worth, didn't get much interest, so lowered accordingly. Seems to me the market dictated the price for Cousins in this instance, not the club
I think what Airman is saying that we had another 6 weeks to find a better deal but KM took the money know rather than risk getting nothing and having Cousins wages on the books next season.
It is a risk and one that could have backfired if we hadn't sold Cousins and kept an unhappy player who didn't fit into the budget but it is also one that might have yielded a bigger fee in a few weeks time.
That risk is the same for all clubs and all CEOs but given KM's terrible track record (1.4E and a five year deal for Sarr, loaning instead of selling Watt and him them coming back with his wages, not being able to sell Reza so he came back with his wages, etc etc) I'd lean towards KM panicking and selling too soon.
Hopefully this might mean Roland will finally wake up to how far out of her depth she is and how she is laughed at and taken for a ride by other CEOs but I doubt it. She'll spin the story that Colin is spinning above to Roland. She's most likely telling him ST sales are good and that there is always a last minutes rush of 4k too. One day he'll lose patience with her and get rid.
If you look at the bigger picture, it's the relegation that has led to this sale. Cousins has every right to ask to leave. He'll be of the belief he is better than league one, and I would agree with him. If we hadn't have had such a disaster of a season, then we may still have had Cousins playing with us, we may have also got a better fee if we'd have narrowly missed out on the play offs say.
As it is, if what Airman says is correct about the 3m initial asking price, then I don't see there is much more the club could've done. They started at what they thought he was worth, didn't get much interest, so lowered accordingly. Seems to me the market dictated the price for Cousins in this instance, not the club
I think what Airman is saying that we had another 6 weeks to find a better deal but KM took the money know rather than risk getting nothing and having Cousins wages on the books next season.
It is a risk and one that could have backfired if we hadn't sold Cousins and kept an unhappy player who didn't fit into the budget but it is also one that might have yielded a bigger fee in a few weeks time.
That risk is the same for all clubs and all CEOs but given KM's terrible track record (1.4E and a five year deal for Sarr, loaning instead of selling Watt and him them coming back with his wages, not being able to sell Reza so he came back with his wages, etc etc) I'd lean towards KM panicking and selling too soon.
Hopefully this might mean Roland will finally wake up to how far out of her depth she is and how she is laughed at and taken for a ride by other CEOs but I doubt it. She'll spin the story that Colin is spinning above to Roland. She's most likely telling him ST sales are good and that there is always a last minutes rush of 4k too. One day he'll lose patience with her and get rid.
We could have offered him to QPR on a loan deal with the option to buy at the end of the season.
For all this handwringing I'm pretty unconcerned about losing Cousins. I personally think his inadequacies played a bigger role in our relegation than most are willing to admit and I'd go as far as to say that unless they're planning on playing him in defence, we've sold QPR a bit of a dud. But a really hardworking one.
For all this handwringing I'm pretty unconcerned about losing Cousins. I personally think his inadequacies played a bigger role in our relegation than most are willing to admit and I'd go as far as to say that unless they're planning on playing him in defence, we've sold QPR a bit of a dud. But a really hardworking one.
Comes down to how they use him. We lacked the ability to keep the ball, create and score chances last season. So his weaknesses did stand out.
In stronger teams in the two previous seasons his energy helped players like Adjarevic, Buyens, JBG etc while their ability on the ball meant he wasn't expected to be a creative or goalscoring midfielder.
They've also signed a defensive midfielder and JFH called Cousins a box to box midfielder. If they play alongside creative attacking midfielders he could do well. If they need him to be their main midfield goal threat or expect him to get plenty of assists they'll probably be disappointed.
If you look at the bigger picture, it's the relegation that has led to this sale. Cousins has every right to ask to leave. He'll be of the belief he is better than league one, and I would agree with him. If we hadn't have had such a disaster of a season, then we may still have had Cousins playing with us, we may have also got a better fee if we'd have narrowly missed out on the play offs say.
As it is, if what Airman says is correct about the 3m initial asking price, then I don't see there is much more the club could've done. They started at what they thought he was worth, didn't get much interest, so lowered accordingly. Seems to me the market dictated the price for Cousins in this instance, not the club
I think what Airman is saying that we had another 6 weeks to find a better deal but KM took the money know rather than risk getting nothing and having Cousins wages on the books next season.
It is a risk and one that could have backfired if we hadn't sold Cousins and kept an unhappy player who didn't fit into the budget but it is also one that might have yielded a bigger fee in a few weeks time.
That risk is the same for all clubs and all CEOs but given KM's terrible track record (1.4E and a five year deal for Sarr, loaning instead of selling Watt and him them coming back with his wages, not being able to sell Reza so he came back with his wages, etc etc) I'd lean towards KM panicking and selling too soon.
Hopefully this might mean Roland will finally wake up to how far out of her depth she is and how she is laughed at and taken for a ride by other CEOs but I doubt it. She'll spin the story that Colin is spinning above to Roland. She's most likely telling him ST sales are good and that there is always a last minutes rush of 4k too. One day he'll lose patience with her and get rid.
We could have offered him to QPR on a loan deal with the option to buy at the end of the season.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we had but QPR could see a bargain and took it.
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I know they're within their rights and all that, but it still annoys me and only makes me think it is a convenient cover for their incompetence.
Unless its a big name in the world of Football we NEVER know how much a player is being signed for, even then its usually the press just inventing a figure for them to fill their rags!!
i.e. Just look at the amount on this link!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers
I find it difficult to believe, really. While we are all far less expert on player valuations than we think, there have been enough concrete examples give in this thread as benchmarks to show that £3m is perfectly reasonable in England's ludicrously overheated market.
Indeed we were all told that our ideas for Gomez at £5-8m were unrealistic too, and then watched as he waltzed straight into the Liverpool first team and became their best purchase of the summer in the eyes of their fans.
If your priority is to build a promotion-winning side and you do not have a cashflow issue I don't know why you would need to sell early.
3.5M for Gomez. 1.2 to 1.4 for Cousins? to me is far too low.
Why didnt the CEO get in for Colin Doyle of Blackpool - ok he might be useless but a POUND? Surely her kind of signing
Of course they were.
good of them. by the way Ketts doesn't confirm the above, he says 'Jordan Cousins completed his switch to Queens Park Rangers on Wednesday, for a fee believed to be around £1,500,000.' In essence he knows as little as you.
As Airman says - why move so early when cashflow is not an issue ?
I'm not saying JC is a world beater (seems to have been with us forever), but nowadays the POTY tag seems to signal a transfer (except for Solly) and IMO this is a bad sign at any club.
This is going to be another dross season if we don't get some midfield creativity. We will just see another year of build up from the back and nowhere to go with the ball. Same as last year and it is un-watchable.
No doubt some Luxumbourg U21 midfielder is joining us for £5m to play 5 games and be loaned out to Turkey, meanwhile Cousins gets QPR promoted and we offer to buy him back for double
I raised the question as to whether academies are worth it for lower division clubs myself a few weeks ago.
The big clubs hoover up vast numbers of young players, then release a load of them aged 20/21. For a club in L1/L2, it makes much more sense to try and sign the best of these rather than go through the expense of coaching them from the age of 8
Even more so the lower down the league system we fall.
Added to that the new premier league deal means that pretty much any top flight club can now take a low risk gamble even if a kid costs 2-3m because that's a drop in the ocean to the 100m+ they now get.
As it is, if what Airman says is correct about the 3m initial asking price, then I don't see there is much more the club could've done. They started at what they thought he was worth, didn't get much interest, so lowered accordingly. Seems to me the market dictated the price for Cousins in this instance, not the club
It is a risk and one that could have backfired if we hadn't sold Cousins and kept an unhappy player who didn't fit into the budget but it is also one that might have yielded a bigger fee in a few weeks time.
That risk is the same for all clubs and all CEOs but given KM's terrible track record (1.4E and a five year deal for Sarr, loaning instead of selling Watt and him them coming back with his wages, not being able to sell Reza so he came back with his wages, etc etc) I'd lean towards KM panicking and selling too soon.
Hopefully this might mean Roland will finally wake up to how far out of her depth she is and how she is laughed at and taken for a ride by other CEOs but I doubt it. She'll spin the story that Colin is spinning above to Roland. She's most likely telling him ST sales are good and that there is always a last minutes rush of 4k too. One day he'll lose patience with her and get rid.
In stronger teams in the two previous seasons his energy helped players like Adjarevic, Buyens, JBG etc while their ability on the ball meant he wasn't expected to be a creative or goalscoring midfielder.
They've also signed a defensive midfielder and JFH called Cousins a box to box midfielder. If they play alongside creative attacking midfielders he could do well. If they need him to be their main midfield goal threat or expect him to get plenty of assists they'll probably be disappointed.