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Plenty of limited run prints out there that don’t necessarily go up that much in value, or might even go down. As you know, it’s knowing who to buy and when.bobmunro said:JamesSeed said:Outperforming stocks and shares, gold, oil and property by vast margins over the last 12 years?
Banksy.Art generally (and of course Banksy in particular) can be stunning investments, but of course the secret is buying in advance of a move upwards. Originals, or small run signed prints, will always be in limited supply - there will be no more. And as Golfie says, most price moves are based on limited supply, whether that's art, Rolex stainless steel sports models, antiques or classic cars.@shine166 has already convinced me in regards art - and I thank him for that.Banksy’s prints were massively underpriced when he sold them originally, say £400, but if you were lucky enough (or queued long enough) to get one, they were worth a grand or two, or even more, by the time you got it home. Now it’s silly money really, and you have to wonder when the bubble will burst.0 -
Want to take another look ??Covered End said:I declare Prague the winner.
@oohaahmortimer was closest to the FTSE100 closing figure. Given a couple of days either way & he would have been spot on.
And I was closest to the All World Index closing value 😊1 -
Averages dear chap.golfaddick said:
Want to take another look ??Covered End said:I declare Prague the winner.
@oohaahmortimer was closest to the FTSE100 closing figure. Given a couple of days either way & he would have been spot on.
And I was closest to the All World Index closing value 😊
You both had 2 guesses and on average Prague won, no doubt about it.
(Unless you only want to include one of your guesses and conveniently ignore the 18.7% over estimation?4 -
I don’t even know what the World Index is and can’t remember guessing what I did for it , my memory is mush
So I agree with Prague one index for all at end of year .
Prague is declared the winner and his prize is to organise the next one2 -
Decent month on the Premium Bonds - £125 for me.1
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got a chunk to invest, any pointers?Also has anyone used Charles Schwab to invest before?0
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I actually went for 356 on the all world but was way out on the S&P.golfaddick said:
Want to take another look ??Covered End said:I declare Prague the winner.
@oohaahmortimer was closest to the FTSE100 closing figure. Given a couple of days either way & he would have been spot on.
And I was closest to the All World Index closing value 😊
I agree - Prague the winner.
Next time, tighter rules, one index!0 -
But which index....? I would have thought most UK based lifers would want to go for the FTSE as that the one that is more pertinent to them but then @PragueAddick might have other ideas.WishIdStayedinthePub said:
I actually went for 356 on the all world but was way out on the S&P.golfaddick said:
Want to take another look ??Covered End said:I declare Prague the winner.
@oohaahmortimer was closest to the FTSE100 closing figure. Given a couple of days either way & he would have been spot on.
And I was closest to the All World Index closing value 😊
I agree - Prague the winner.
Next time, tighter rules, one index!0 -
How much are you talking about ?? Might make a difference to charges and to what & where to invest in.CAFCsayer said:got a chunk to invest, any pointers?Also has anyone used Charles Schwab to invest before?0 - Sponsored links:
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Strange...the app is saying results for August due on the 5th...LargeAddick said:Decent month on the Premium Bonds - £125 for me.0 -
Mine is saying 29 days until next draw on 2nd Sept.cafc-west said:
Strange...the app is saying results for August due on the 5th...LargeAddick said:Decent month on the Premium Bonds - £125 for me.0 -
Another good PB month £150 (6x£25) for Jnr. £25 for the other half and bugger all for me. Mind you he is on max holding with his property deposit temporarily invested.0
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My idea is, you can only choose one index, but which index, is up to you. I chose the All World as I have a portfolio that's diversified geographically, and I assume most participants would too, but it would be entirely up to the individual punter.golfaddick said:
But which index....? I would have thought most UK based lifers would want to go for the FTSE as that the one that is more pertinent to them but then @PragueAddick might have other ideas.WishIdStayedinthePub said:
I actually went for 356 on the all world but was way out on the S&P.golfaddick said:
Want to take another look ??Covered End said:I declare Prague the winner.
@oohaahmortimer was closest to the FTSE100 closing figure. Given a couple of days either way & he would have been spot on.
And I was closest to the All World Index closing value 😊
I agree - Prague the winner.
Next time, tighter rules, one index!
Surprised you'd say FTSE 100 would be most pertinent to most Lifers, though Golfie. I know the constituents keep changing, but recently you might as well have called it Futski 100 due to all the Russian owned companies polluting it.
Anyway, I'm up for another go, it will be extremely difficult, as you say, and I will probably fall flat on my face :-)
Shall we say entries by 17,00 Monday?0 -
Banksy is a no brainer, he now only releases to VIPs for big money, that have backed him since the early days and his popularity seems to have to limit right now. Another 12 months and I might be able to cash in and buy a mortgage free house just off of the work of his that I own.bobmunro said:JamesSeed said:Outperforming stocks and shares, gold, oil and property by vast margins over the last 12 years?
Banksy.Art generally (and of course Banksy in particular) can be stunning investments, but of course the secret is buying in advance of a move upwards. Originals, or small run signed prints, will always be in limited supply - there will be no more. And as Golfie says, most price moves are based on limited supply, whether that's art, Rolex stainless steel sports models, antiques or classic cars.@shine166 has already convinced me in regards art - and I thank him for that.0 -
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Some of his prices are even more mental, a specific print which was also the same price back in the day.. recently fetched 150k at auction.LargeAddick said:1 -
Wow, when did you purchase the Print?0
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@PragueAddickPragueAddick said:
And now, punters forecasts and the variance with actual in % terms. Nex to the % an "O" means the punter has been too optimistic and a "P", too pessimistic....listed in order of who posted predictions first...best three calls in bold
@WishIdStayedinthePub S&P500 2880 ; 12.0% P; Dow 26,000; 1.6% P
@Rob7Lee FTSE 100: 7150; 21.2% O
@PragueAddick All Wld: 354.19 ; 2.5% P
@golfaddick FTSE 100: 7000: 18.7% O All Wld 365; 0.4% O
@oohaahmortimer FTSE100: 6200: 5.1% O All Wld 330: 9.2% P
@Athletico Charlton FTSE100: 6765: 14.7%
@Fortune 82nd Minute FTSE100: 5300: 10.1% P
So there we are...and the winner is..well you tell me, not least because the two best calls came from people who also made quite bad calls in their other of two predictions
and joshing aside that's quite interesting.
Anyway, there we are, good game, lorra fun
Comments? Mea culpas??
Thanks for organising. A good bit of fun!
Personally, I think the All Wld Index guesses above should be null and void! Maths and Statistics are not my strong point (as I will no doubt be told!) but if you have an Index that only traverses a narrow path is it not more liable to have smaller percentage increases/decreases than something like the FTSE which trades over a much larger span?
As regards the FTSE guesses, as an openly admitted amateur, mug punter (who is trading for a bit of "fun" rather than trying to build up a pension pot) it's good to see I have as much (or little) idea where the Index will go as the experts! Which rather confirms my jaundiced views that no-one really knows where the market will go and that the predictions from the experts for the next year carried in the January newspapers are always showing the market rising because they don't want to scare off investors!
I'm up for a Christmas guess. Definitely one guess only. But as it looks easier to me guessing the All World Index rather than the FTSE or Dow Jones anyone picking the latter indexes is going to be at a disadvantage. Or are they?
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my Crypto investments are up 130% in the last month, that's not bad at all.0
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My son in law bought Every Little Helps for £400 when it was released. He was shocked when I told him it was worth £30k last year. It’s worth about 50k now.shine166 said:
2004 was my first one, unfortunately I'd probably be retired by now if I didn't have uni etc bills to pay over the years !.mendonca said:Wow, when did you purchase the Print?He’s had to up his insurance.3 -
Not sure he’s made any prints for ages has he? Hence the Gross Domestic Product ship in Croydon. Everything sold at low prices.shine166 said:
Banksy is a no brainer, he now only releases to VIPs for big money, that have backed him since the early days and his popularity seems to have to limit right now. Another 12 months and I might be able to cash in and buy a mortgage free house just off of the work of his that I own.bobmunro said:JamesSeed said:Outperforming stocks and shares, gold, oil and property by vast margins over the last 12 years?
Banksy.Art generally (and of course Banksy in particular) can be stunning investments, but of course the secret is buying in advance of a move upwards. Originals, or small run signed prints, will always be in limited supply - there will be no more. And as Golfie says, most price moves are based on limited supply, whether that's art, Rolex stainless steel sports models, antiques or classic cars.@shine166 has already convinced me in regards art - and I thank him for that.
How much stuff do you have?0 -
£50.00 for me on the PB’s, £150.00 for my dear lady + £2.32 on the lottery, living the dream 🤣😜0
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My wife is retiring in a couple of months.
She has a SIPP being actively managed by Brooks MacDonald in various funds etc. Standard Life Provider is the structure its run through. This is her main pension invested.
Additionally she has a pension through her employer that is with Scottish Widows. A value of about 80k when she leaves. She will at some point take the 25% tax free sum from this Scottish Widow fund.
The FA at Gallagher Wealth suggested putting the 80K in with the main fund, which I don't think she should do.
The SW fund is less risk rated than the main actively managed fund. If the money is transferred across with the rest then all involved parties obviously increase the amount they receive as fee are a % of the fund amount.
Wondered if anyone has thoughts ideas of what to do with the SW fund. I realise annuity rates are not good but an option, are there other safe options to be considered.0 -
I would agree with the Financial Adviser. Put it all in one pot & then you then choose what level if risk you take with it all. You don't have to stay at the current level of risk that you have with either pots.StrikerFirmani said:My wife is retiring in a couple of months.
She has a SIPP being actively managed by Brooks MacDonald in various funds etc. Standard Life Provider is the structure its run through. This is her main pension invested.
Additionally she has a pension through her employer that is with Scottish Widows. A value of about 80k when she leaves. She will at some point take the 25% tax free sum from this Scottish Widow fund.
The FA at Gallagher Wealth suggested putting the 80K in with the main fund, which I don't think she should do.
The SW fund is less risk rated than the main actively managed fund. If the money is transferred across with the rest then all involved parties obviously increase the amount they receive as fee are a % of the fund amount.
Wondered if anyone has thoughts ideas of what to do with the SW fund. I realise annuity rates are not good but an option, are there other safe options to be considered.
Brooks Macdonald are a pretty good DFM & probably better than SW for fund choice.0 -
Yeah, one of the placard rats 'because I'm worthless' I've had quite a few over the years, unfortunately most went for bills. One of my mates purchased a original from a charity auction for 35k, which is now worth a mil or more. I know quite a few people that have done very well off of banksyJamesSeed said:0 -
@golfaddick Thanks for your reply.
Just to clear my mind.
So you think worth keeping it market invested on a lower risk rather than something not in the markets ?0
