Can i suggest that Slade gets his scouting team (do we have a scouting team?) to obtain DVDs of Swindon matches from last season and watch how Ajose scored his 23 goals. Because playing the way we do, he's unlikely to even get to double figures. If you're not going to give him any service, then pointless playing him and we might as well just stick another lump (Novak) up front.
Also surely it's time for Bauer to start. He was a decent defender at championship level, so it's criminal that he's not starting in league one, especially when we're leaking goals.
The really sad thing is I don't care anymore. Cheers for that Roland.
I sometimes think that this applies to me also, but I do care about Charlton, just not this Charlton. I actually cheered and laughed when I saw on Sky that Wimbledon had scored a second. That hurts. There are many protesters that still want to "Support the team, not the regime", but this can't work can it? If the team do well then that must mean that RD and KM are doing well. That is clearly nonsense, as even if we get promoted (don't make me laugh) then we're just back to where they started. They will reel out the same old rubbish of learning from mistakes, wanting fan engagement, blah, blah, blah. Only a total boycott, as much as that may hurt many on here, who love to go to The Valley, can work.
First things first. All praise should go to Wimbledon. They arrived, played well with great honesty and effort, drew our sting, grew into the game, actually had a midfield that tried to play like a midfield, and scored two excellent goals to win it in front of very good support.
Wimbledon deserved their win, and when we were winning 1-0 late on, but were pretty sluggish and predictable, I knew even then we would go on to lose. It was always clear one goal wouldn't be enough, but the impetus Wimbledon mustered to get back into the game was clearly going to carry them on to victory and three juicy points.
Three points lost for us.
Anybody can say well yeah but, first half Wimbledon weren't in it, technically better players, their keeper made three excellent saves, we had no luck, we are a big scalp for every opponent, and so on.
Bollocks to that.
We lost and we were ultimately chite, because as I have said before, I don't support the regime, I don't support the team, I support the results, and a home defeat says to me we are chite, we continue to be chite, and unless something unexpected happens it will carry on that way.
I mean we have to actually win our next five in a row to be back on track.
Five in a row! (if Millwall goes ahead).
The reasons for our defeat lay at the feet of the regime and on today's evidence Russell Slade himself.
We got continually flat towards the end of the second half, there were sporadic instances, but actually for 75 minutes of that game we offered very little. So where was the managerial readjustments we needed, either from first half shouted instructions, a half time plan, or credible substitutions in the second half?
Nowhere.
Based on the game overall, well actually based mainly on the first half I thought Fox, Konsa, Lookman and Crofts were OK, and were backed up by Josh, Solly and Fred, but beyond that 'reasonableness' we had no talismanic influence from anybody. Slade goes on about pride, and wanting to play for us, but where were those qualities today?
There would of course be no point in removing Slade, but if things continue to slide then Duchatelet will go after him with the persistence and determination of a cat at the fridge door.
I saw little in the way of green shoots, of saving graces, or of hope for the rest of the season, where in my view automatic promotion is the only credible offering this regime could deliver to us.
Oh and the result has nothing to do with any protests, indeed if there had been more anger and protests it might have stirred a reaction from the team.
Nowhere near good enough, nowhere near.
Seth talks good sense, as usual: "We were shite... ultimately shite... and continue to be shite."
But I don't agree that we played satisfactorily in the first half. We ought to stamp some authority at home - especially against the likes of Wimbledon - but apart from Lookman's goal we were impotent and failed miserably to seize the game by the scruff of the neck. We are a weak, dreary, dim little team.
We scraped a last-minute equaliser at home to Northampton, another last-minute equaliser at home to Bolton, and were bloody lucky to draw at Fleetwood. That's three fortuitous points, without which we'd be second-from-bottom in the division. Let's face it - we are shite, utter shite.
A lot has been mentioned about not giving Ajose the service he needs. Fleetwood last week was my first match and he didn't really have anything to feed off and looked more and more alienated as the game wore on. Can anyone, who was at the game yesterday, tell me if he was presented with any chances during our dominant first 60 minutes?? Judging by the 2 goals he has scored so far, neither of which were confidently taken, I fear we may have bagged a rotten apple. So looking forward to Scunthorpe on Tuesday now .....
Yes. He had at least three good chances and didn't come close with any of them. I've only seen him twice but studied him closely yesterday and he offers nothing. I've been watching football long enough to know when someone is basically a good player but having a bad day or playing in a system that just doesn't suit him. This guy looks to me as though he is just a dud. The system doesn't help him but I'm pretty sure that after another five or six games he'll be the new whipping boy.
Must be changes for the Scunthorpe game .. Konsa out or moved to central midfield (not recommended against a team as good as Scunthorpe) with Bauer or Johnson in the middle of defence .. Ajose was signed to be the main goal scorer, it's not happening and he needs a rest .. Magennis is a big ol boy but is not a consistent scorer .. Put Lookman up front with Hayden & Jackson back in midfield to give some leadership ..
I was not at the game, the writers here suggest that Wimbledon outfought and outthought us .. we need to get stuck in and be a bit nastier and a bit more shrewd .. Scunthorpe United is a tough and well organised outfit with no little skill .. don't just write them off as dirty fecking norveners .. we need at least a point there as a morale booster .. it will not be easy
There are actually people on twitter on agree with Roland's approach of sacking managers every 3 months.
They love using Roland's managerial sacking record as a weapon against the regime but then advocate the sacking the current manager after every bad run.
There is no 'boycott' - people have drifted away because of the contempt shown towards them by those that run the club and the total lack of hope or vision. Until there is direction and a new sense of positive leadership nothing will meaningfully improve. And that will only come with a change of ownership. Without that change we are looking - potentially - at years of stagnation and decline.
Two observations from yesterday, Lookman either needs to learn how to take a corner or should let someone else who can do it, and what is that awful crowd noise thing they play for five minutes over the tannoy before kick off?
Agreed... Why wasnt Ricky Holmes taking them seeing he's scored directly from them.
Lookman shouldnt be out wide taking them he should be on the edge of the penalty area waiting to blast a shot back in or being prepared to run in and snatch at a loose ball
Its almost like Russell was watching Harry Kane take corners at the Euros and has thought it was a good idea
Corner taker should be someone short who can put a cross in, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Cazorla, Mata, David Silva, people like that. So based on that it should be Holmes or Lookman
There is no 'boycott' - people have drifted away because of the contempt shown towards them by those that run the club and the total lack of hope or vision. Until there is direction and a new sense of positive leadership nothing will meaningfully improve. And that will only come with a change of ownership. Without that change we are looking - potentially - at years of stagnation and decline.
In fairness, while some of those not attending are boycotting, there is a sizeable proportion of the absentees who have simply decided to do something else. The former may come back, the latter are unlikely to. Both are a result of Duchatalet's running of the club.
Corner taker should be someone short who can put a cross in, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Cazorla, Mata, David Silva, people like that. So based on that it should be Holmes or Lookman
Yet surely on yesterdays basis Lookman can't put a cross in... None of his corners / crosses were a threat yesterday
The only time Lookman is a threat is when he's clean on goal or when he's running at the opposition as he's got the trickery to get through bodies
Two observations from yesterday, Lookman either needs to learn how to take a corner or should let someone else who can do it, and what is that awful crowd noise thing they play for five minutes over the tannoy before kick off?
Yeah especially as Holmes did take some good ones at the start of the season scoring directly from one.
Two observations from yesterday, Lookman either needs to learn how to take a corner or should let someone else who can do it, and what is that awful crowd noise thing they play for five minutes over the tannoy before kick off?
Yeah especially as Holmes did take some good ones at the start of the season scoring directly from one.
All seems a bit weird!
I think Rudd was first choice, but he declined saying it would take him too long to run back.
There is no 'boycott' - people have drifted away because of the contempt shown towards them by those that run the club and the total lack of hope or vision. Until there is direction and a new sense of positive leadership nothing will meaningfully improve. And that will only come with a change of ownership. Without that change we are looking - potentially - at years of stagnation and decline.
In fairness, while some of those not attending are boycotting, there is a sizeable proportion of the absentees who have simply decided to do something else. The former may come back, the latter are unlikely to. Both are a result of Duchatalet's running of the club.
It's a little bit like a certain fragrant and lovely CEO's comparison of a football club with a restaurant/cinema, faced with a shit meal or a shitty cinema experience, the natural reaction is not to return (unless something dramatic - ownership/management - changes).
Always a danger that our season would be late to start due to the lack of work done during the summer break and pre season.
I still can’t work out how Ajose scored his impressive 24 league goals last season, and more importantly, neither it seems can Russell Slade. Ajose hardly seems to be in the game, There must be a key somewhere, I suspect it is due to our lacklustre midfield, he’ll certainly never benefit from the torrent of high balls pumped up field into no man’s land. But, as Brian Clough once famously said, ‘Good players don’t become bad players overnight’.
It must be time for Konsa to be rested and I’m not entirely happy with Pearce either. Combative as he is, his tackling often seems desperate and clumsy, and he was the man who should have kept out the cross that led to Wimbledon’s winner. We have leaked goals against lesser ability sides and now imo we should try a new pairing of Bauer and hopefully Tex or possibly Lennon.
It ain't easy supporting Charlton, getting the basics right would make it a little easier.
I said after 30 mins gone when we should have been 3 up, we aren't going to win this game, unless we get a 2nd goal soon. 1 up and missing chances or just having most possession without scoring, nearly always leads to the oppo equalising.
The longer the game went on, the more obvious it was that Wimbledon, would get a chance and take it.
Why on earth Slade didn't bring the other 2 subs on after 70 mins latest, is absolutely unbelieveable.
Botaka came on last week and transformed the game & yet he didn't come on at all ! Staggering.
Jackson is a great man for getting the much needed goal and he wasn't brought on either, even when we had a corner at the end and he was the best bet to head a goal.
These things happen, dominating, not scoring and getting punished for it. But Slade must have seen it coming and did bugger all.
Ajose has to be dropped for Novak, he missed another great chance early on and Bauer has to come in for Konsa.
The central midfield is the big problem and although Ulvestad was better today, he ran out of steam after 60 mins and that was when we started to falter, as Crofts hasn't got the energy either at this stage of the game.
The best we can hope for is the play offs and if we strengthen in January (don't expect it) we might do it.
It's not a strong league, but we're not a strong team.
Had we won yesterday we'd be 8th today and going in to the Scunthorpe game knowing that a win there would take us to 2nd. Instead: another defeat on Tuesday and a draw at the weekend coming and we'll be 20th or similar.
Scunthorpe are an absolutely typical League One side: no particular stars (or real quality) but bags of energy and an efficient game plan. Our squad is clearly better - but only if Slade picks the right players and uses them properly.
I'd go for:
Rudd Solly + Bauer + Pearce + Fox Holmes + Jackson + Crofts + Botaka Magennis + Lookman
im afraid too many people on here think the boycott is working. People have actually gone elsewhere and won't be returning. If and when the club is sold there will be no return of the masses, they have all gone. As controversial as this might sound, our only chance at survival might be these owners. No match comments from me, I'm boycotting. Well , I'm on holiday so can't get there. Am amazed how many boycotters are able to see the match though...
A cursory acquaintance with the history of our club would show you that this is nonsense. Even before we were dragged off to Selhurst we were down to 4,000. Generally speaking only that sort of number were going to most games at Selhurst. While they won't all come back straight away, a new regime working with the fans as we had from 1991 onwards will bring them back, just as that regime brought back fans and their families who hadn't been for 10 years or more.
Must be changes for the Scunthorpe game .. Konsa out or moved to central midfield (not recommended against a team as good as Scunthorpe) with Bauer or Johnson in the middle of defence .. Ajose was signed to be the main goal scorer, it's not happening and he needs a rest .. Magennis is a big ol boy but is not a consistent scorer .. Put Lookman up front with Hayden & Jackson back in midfield to give some leadership ..
I was not at the game, the writers here suggest that Wimbledon outfought and outthought us .. we need to get stuck in and be a bit nastier and a bit more shrewd .. Scunthorpe United is a tough and well organised outfit with no little skill .. don't just write them off as dirty fecking norveners .. we need at least a point there as a morale booster .. it will not be easy
Have we at long last signed Hayden Mullins? hurrah!!
Better team performance than last week at Fleetwood, but a failure to finish off the opposition and the lack of forward planning with subsitutions by Slade cost us 3 points.
Time for Ajose and Konsa to come out, with Novak and Bauer in.
Novak was wank when he came on yesterday, struggle to see what he'll offer. No pace, no strength and no awareness to stay onside
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Also surely it's time for Bauer to start. He was a decent defender at championship level, so it's criminal that he's not starting in league one, especially when we're leaking goals.
I actually cheered and laughed when I saw on Sky that Wimbledon had scored a second. That hurts.
There are many protesters that still want to "Support the team, not the regime", but this can't work can it? If the team do well then that must mean that RD and KM are doing well. That is clearly nonsense, as even if we get promoted (don't make me laugh) then we're just back to where they started. They will reel out the same old rubbish of learning from mistakes, wanting fan engagement, blah, blah, blah.
Only a total boycott, as much as that may hurt many on here, who love to go to The Valley, can work.
Sad times.
But I don't agree that we played satisfactorily in the first half. We ought to stamp some authority at home - especially against the likes of Wimbledon - but apart from Lookman's goal we were impotent and failed miserably to seize the game by the scruff of the neck. We are a weak, dreary, dim little team.
We scraped a last-minute equaliser at home to Northampton, another last-minute equaliser at home to Bolton, and were bloody lucky to draw at Fleetwood. That's three fortuitous points, without which we'd be second-from-bottom in the division. Let's face it - we are shite, utter shite.
Ajose was signed to be the main goal scorer, it's not happening and he needs a rest .. Magennis is a big ol boy but is not a consistent scorer .. Put Lookman up front with Hayden & Jackson back in midfield to give some leadership ..
I was not at the game, the writers here suggest that Wimbledon outfought and outthought us .. we need to get stuck in and be a bit nastier and a bit more shrewd .. Scunthorpe United is a tough and well organised outfit with no little skill .. don't just write them off as dirty fecking norveners .. we need at least a point there as a morale booster .. it will not be easy
They love using Roland's managerial sacking record as a weapon against the regime but then advocate the sacking the current manager after every bad run.
Lookman shouldnt be out wide taking them he should be on the edge of the penalty area waiting to blast a shot back in or being prepared to run in and snatch at a loose ball
Its almost like Russell was watching Harry Kane take corners at the Euros and has thought it was a good idea
The only time Lookman is a threat is when he's clean on goal or when he's running at the opposition as he's got the trickery to get through bodies
All seems a bit weird!
Slade's fault. Should have made more subs especially when we were flagging.
Lookman's goal was fantastic, but the 2nd half reminded me why I didn't renew.
We need to find a way to share our pain with RD so that he understands it.
I still can’t work out how Ajose scored his impressive 24 league goals last season, and more importantly, neither it seems can Russell Slade. Ajose hardly seems to be in the game, There must be a key somewhere, I suspect it is due to our lacklustre midfield, he’ll certainly never benefit from the torrent of high balls pumped up field into no man’s land. But, as Brian Clough once famously said, ‘Good players don’t become bad players overnight’.
It must be time for Konsa to be rested and I’m not entirely happy with Pearce either. Combative as he is, his tackling often seems desperate and clumsy, and he was the man who should have kept out the cross that led to Wimbledon’s winner. We have leaked goals against lesser ability sides and now imo we should try a new pairing of Bauer and hopefully Tex or possibly Lennon.
It ain't easy supporting Charlton, getting the basics right would make it a little easier.
The longer the game went on, the more obvious it was that Wimbledon, would get a chance and take it.
Why on earth Slade didn't bring the other 2 subs on after 70 mins latest, is absolutely unbelieveable.
Botaka came on last week and transformed the game & yet he didn't come on at all ! Staggering.
Jackson is a great man for getting the much needed goal and he wasn't brought on either, even when we had a corner at the end and he was the best bet to head a goal.
These things happen, dominating, not scoring and getting punished for it. But Slade must have seen it coming and did bugger all.
Ajose has to be dropped for Novak, he missed another great chance early on and Bauer has to come in for Konsa.
The central midfield is the big problem and although Ulvestad was better today, he ran out of steam after 60 mins and that was when we started to falter, as Crofts hasn't got the energy either at this stage of the game.
The best we can hope for is the play offs and if we strengthen in January (don't expect it) we might do it.
It's not a strong league, but we're not a strong team.
Only his pain will be in the wallet and ours(apologists aside) will be in the heart.
Scunthorpe are an absolutely typical League One side: no particular stars (or real quality) but bags of energy and an efficient game plan. Our squad is clearly better - but only if Slade picks the right players and uses them properly.
I'd go for:
Rudd
Solly + Bauer + Pearce + Fox
Holmes + Jackson + Crofts + Botaka
Magennis + Lookman
Subs: Phillips + Chicksen + Johnson + Ulvestad + Konsa + Ajose + Novak
God forbid we start a run of poor results, the heads drop, the protests kick off again, the heads drop further.........
Wankers!