A bit of perspective? We played well for most of that. Our midfield was especially pleasing. We wiped the floor with them for 75 minutes, then a good bit of skill and some shit defending from Solly and it's 1-1, at which point we have another bad couple of minutes culminating in the best cross of the game. It could easily have been 3-0 to us; Wimbledon got extremely lucky and yet the narrative has set in already - we're shit, everything's shit, boooooooooo. Play like that and we'll win more often than we lose. The only real criticism of Slade is that he didn't introduce Botaka; that aside I don't see how he could have done much more.
That said, it's time to get Bauer in.
Yeah, this bloody narrative. The 'people being upset when Charlton lose' narrative. So trite. So passe. Ugh.
If Charlton create enough chances to win 50 times over but lose then they've had a bad day. We've lost to a team we should be beating. All this bullshit about how if it wasn't for the bit where we defended terribly and let them score we would have won is just that. It's not perspective.
I'm not disputing that they had a bad day. I'm disputing the ravening hordes on this thread writing off this team.
Ravening hordes? Is there really any need for you to be so condescending? A few people are upset. This thread has gone two pages and they're criticising a crap result from a team who have got 9 points from 7 games, which is a massive disappointment. It's failure
First things first. All praise should go to Wimbledon. They arrived, played well with great honesty and effort, drew our sting, grew into the game, actually had a midfield that tried to play like a midfield, and scored two excellent goals to win it in front of very good support.
Wimbledon deserved their win, and when we were winning 1-0 late on, but were pretty sluggish and predictable, I knew even then we would go on to lose. It was always clear one goal wouldn't be enough, but the impetus Wimbledon mustered to get back into the game was clearly going to carry them on to victory and three juicy points.
Three points lost for us.
Anybody can say well yeah but, first half Wimbledon weren't in it, technically better players, their keeper made three excellent saves, we had no luck, we are a big scalp for every opponent, and so on.
Bollocks to that.
We lost and we were ultimately chite, because as I have said before, I don't support the regime, I don't support the team, I support the results, and a home defeat says to me we are chite, we continue to be chite, and unless something unexpected happens it will carry on that way.
I mean we have to actually win our next five in a row to be back on track.
Five in a row! (if Millwall goes ahead).
The reasons for our defeat lay at the feet of the regime and on today's evidence Russell Slade himself.
We got continually flat towards the end of the second half, there were sporadic instances, but actually for 75 minutes of that game we offered very little. So where was the managerial readjustments we needed, either from first half shouted instructions, a half time plan, or credible substitutions in the second half?
Nowhere.
Based on the game overall, well actually based mainly on the first half I thought Fox, Konsa, Lookman and Crofts were OK, and were backed up by Josh, Solly and Fred, but beyond that 'reasonableness' we had no talismanic influence from anybody. Slade goes on about pride, and wanting to play for us, but where were those qualities today?
There would of course be no point in removing Slade, but if things continue to slide then Duchatelet will go after him with the persistence and determination of a cat at the fridge door.
I saw little in the way of green shoots, of saving graces, or of hope for the rest of the season, where in my view automatic promotion is the only credible offering this regime could deliver to us.
Oh and the result has nothing to do with any protests, indeed if there had been more anger and protests it might have stirred a reaction from the team.
We thought poleon, their number 10, was one of the best players on the pitch, we were singing 'can we buy your no.10 after about 30 minutes.
Solly got ripped a new one for one of the goals and found him a handful all afternoon. They changed formation to shove on some very tall forwards and that causes us more issues.
We should have had it out asay well before half time.
Slade is not a master tactician. Nice bloke, talks the talk. Trips over when walking. Mid table team and the decline continues.
I don't think he talks the talk. What he said bout the grumbling by fans when Ricky Holmes was taken off came across as condescending. But when he asked Terry to give him a second press conference so that he could talk about the penalty...that sounded really small time. Like a really really low rent Allardyce/Dyche/Pulis who are really small time Lord Fergs.
As far as the tactical part, that seems strikingly obvious. Going on commentary when Elliot came on at 60 minutes he changed the game and gave Konsa and Pearce a ragged time. It sounded obvious that Slade needed to respond by bringing Bauer on. But he didn't. And from the sounds of things we dropped deeper and deeper until we made a mistake and we conceded. And from there the second sounded inevitable.
Despite being on the back foot for the last 20-30 minutes, Slade made one change, a like-for-like for a forward on 68 minutes. We conceded on 78 and 85 and Slade didn't make any changes despite having Jackson (known for a key goal) and Botaka (who came on and looked great last weekend) on the bench.
We can blame the regime for a lot of things, but they hired a British manager as demanded by many, gave him a lot of free reign to overhaul the squad, and yet thus far he's come up far short on the coaching bit. I fully expect we'll hear the same lines about us being good for stretches, about us not doing the basics right, and about the team needing time to gel. But all but three of today's squad have been with us since Bury, and the back four has been pretty consistent throughout. Slade has his players, going on Charlton Live it sounds like he's banished Ba to the U-21s despite the fact that he offers something different, for better and for worse. As far as I'm concerned the time for excuses has run out, and if we don't start getting better results the blame should lay with the manager and the team he has assembled.
Never thought I would ever see this result...can't remember ever losing to the original Dons at home. Well done to them. They rode their liuck and their keeper made a brilliant stop to keep Holmes out...Then they mugged us.
Frankly we were there for the taking in the last 15 minutes. Should have been packed away by then but we just did not press enough after a competent first half.
Tale of two number 10s. Ours is not very good and their's ripped Solly apart once he realised he was getting nowhere against Fox.
Our players still playing catch up in bedding in as a team. Too often Lookman and Holmes hold the ball too long when a killer pass is on. Our midfield is ordinary and it is time for some skill and experience in central defence (which we have in abundance).
Not good. And yet still some people will give £££ to the owners. Nothing will change until people stop. And step up and fight for the club and what you believe. Protests need to step up. A lot. Get rid of this disease running the club. Or the club dies.
Today wasn't like a lot of defeats I've seen. We dominated the game, for one, and our midfield looked competent, for two.
I have to disagree about the midfield because there is no sense of coherence or team structure there. Lookman in his bubble, very good one though it may be, Holmes too, with his lovely surging runs and get a cross in, Fred and Crofts running around breaking up play and supplying a degree of energy, but mot a midfield unit in the way i understand it. Wimbledon had a midfield, and even though they did not have any individual player as good as Lookman, the way they combined with each other made up for it. I am sorry, but i don't think our midfield looked competent, and for the most part we hit long balls to Josh for Ajose to try to feed off, that may be a good plan 'a', but we don't have the resources for a plan 'b' which Wimbledon clearly had today.
Got what we deserved. Half hearted display on the pitch. If " fired up" and meant it would have won. Crowd, of which I was part, had no heart. Well done RD and KM you have destroyed the club.
A bit of perspective? We played well for most of that. Our midfield was especially pleasing. We wiped the floor with them for 75 minutes, then a good bit of skill and some shit defending from Solly and it's 1-1, at which point we have another bad couple of minutes culminating in the best cross of the game. It could easily have been 3-0 to us; Wimbledon got extremely lucky and yet the narrative has set in already - we're shit, everything's shit, boooooooooo. Play like that and we'll win more often than we lose. The only real criticism of Slade is that he didn't introduce Botaka; that aside I don't see how he could have done much more.
That said, it's time to get Bauer in.
I don't think PB wants to be at the Club, just an inkling..
Russell Slade and this team will not make top 6 this year, to many long balls and a midfield that looked clueless , what does crofts actually do? With the exception of Holmes and Lookman the rest look very average for league 1.
Today wasn't like a lot of defeats I've seen. We dominated the game, for one, and our midfield looked competent, for two.
I have to disagree about the midfield because there is no sense of coherence or team structure there. Lookman in his bubble, very good one though it may be, Holmes too, with his lovely surging runs and get a cross in, Fred and Crofts running around breaking up play and supplying a degree of energy, but mot a midfield unit in the way i understand it. Wimbledon had a midfield, and even though they did not have any individual player as good as Lookman, the way they combined with each other made up for it. I am sorry, but i don't think our midfield looked competent, and for the most part we hit long balls to Josh for Ajose to try to feed off, that may be a good plan 'a', but we don't have the resources for a plan 'b' which Wimbledon clearly had today.
Just as I saw it, our midfield are still not a cohesive unit
Not good. And yet still some people will give £££ to the owners. Nothing will change until people stop. And step up and fight for the club and what you believe. Protests need to step up. A lot. Get rid of this disease running the club. Or the club dies.
Without doubt Wimbledon wasnt our worst result for years...
Away @ Stevenage who had also been promoted from League Two via the Play-Offs the year before was much worse when we lost 1-0 as it was a freak goal yet there was no effort for the whole of the 90mins that day
Nothing against Konsa but I don't understand why Bauer isn't playing. Bauer was excellent in the Championship and we really missed him when he was injured. We have a player who is one of the best centre halves in the league, we can't stop conceding goals, and he can't get in the team. It's ridiculous.
Might be time for Ajose to be taken out of the line-up and reminded that he's here to score goals. He's scored in one game for Charlton. That's just not good enough for a player who's intended to be our top scorer.
The bottom line is we've got a squad who don't seem able to defend effectively or manage games. That's not good news for a team supposedly trying to get out of League One. The saddest thing is there was a time when I would have been really hurting seeing Charlton go from leading on 78 minutes to losing on 85. Now though losing at The Valley against AFC bloody Wimbledon just seems about right. Cheers Roland.
But Roland's not going to get £2m for Konsa in January if he's not playing in the first team.
Today wasn't like a lot of defeats I've seen. We dominated the game, for one, and our midfield looked competent, for two.
You must have been at a different game to me.
Dominated the midfield??The last third of the game, their no 8 was strolling around in the centre with no one near him. We sat so deep just hoofing up to Josh with no one helping him. After the equaliser went him which was caused by Solly lumping it forward a minute prior, we were absolutely awful.
The 2nd half, worst I have seen him play, as for him being a leader and captain - not for me.
Perspective? We have to play for 95 minutes not 60 or 75 wiping the floor.
As for not bringing Botaka on - just why?
Another low, maybe my expectations are just too high for this season ??
Without doubt Wimbledon wasnt our worst result for years...
Away @ Stevenage who had also been promoted from League Two via the Play-Offs the year before was much worse when we lost 1-0 as it was a freak goal yet there was no effort for the whole of the 90mins that day
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First things first. All praise should go to Wimbledon. They arrived, played well with great honesty and effort, drew our sting, grew into the game, actually had a midfield that tried to play like a midfield, and scored two excellent goals to win it in front of very good support.
Wimbledon deserved their win, and when we were winning 1-0 late on, but were pretty sluggish and predictable, I knew even then we would go on to lose. It was always clear one goal wouldn't be enough, but the impetus Wimbledon mustered to get back into the game was clearly going to carry them on to victory and three juicy points.
Three points lost for us.
Anybody can say well yeah but, first half Wimbledon weren't in it, technically better players, their keeper made three excellent saves, we had no luck, we are a big scalp for every opponent, and so on.
Bollocks to that.
We lost and we were ultimately chite, because as I have said before, I don't support the regime, I don't support the team, I support the results, and a home defeat says to me we are chite, we continue to be chite, and unless something unexpected happens it will carry on that way.
I mean we have to actually win our next five in a row to be back on track.
Five in a row! (if Millwall goes ahead).
The reasons for our defeat lay at the feet of the regime and on today's evidence Russell Slade himself.
We got continually flat towards the end of the second half, there were sporadic instances, but actually for 75 minutes of that game we offered very little. So where was the managerial readjustments we needed, either from first half shouted instructions, a half time plan, or credible substitutions in the second half?
Nowhere.
Based on the game overall, well actually based mainly on the first half I thought Fox, Konsa, Lookman and Crofts were OK, and were backed up by Josh, Solly and Fred, but beyond that 'reasonableness' we had no talismanic influence from anybody. Slade goes on about pride, and wanting to play for us, but where were those qualities today?
There would of course be no point in removing Slade, but if things continue to slide then Duchatelet will go after him with the persistence and determination of a cat at the fridge door.
I saw little in the way of green shoots, of saving graces, or of hope for the rest of the season, where in my view automatic promotion is the only credible offering this regime could deliver to us.
Oh and the result has nothing to do with any protests, indeed if there had been more anger and protests it might have stirred a reaction from the team.
Nowhere near good enough, nowhere near.
Solly got ripped a new one for one of the goals and found him a handful all afternoon. They changed formation to shove on some very tall forwards and that causes us more issues.
We should have had it out asay well before half time.
Very disappointing loss.
His post match comment that not killing them off left the door open for them is just pure genius.
22 years as a manager to have that insight.
As far as the tactical part, that seems strikingly obvious. Going on commentary when Elliot came on at 60 minutes he changed the game and gave Konsa and Pearce a ragged time. It sounded obvious that Slade needed to respond by bringing Bauer on. But he didn't. And from the sounds of things we dropped deeper and deeper until we made a mistake and we conceded. And from there the second sounded inevitable.
Despite being on the back foot for the last 20-30 minutes, Slade made one change, a like-for-like for a forward on 68 minutes. We conceded on 78 and 85 and Slade didn't make any changes despite having Jackson (known for a key goal) and Botaka (who came on and looked great last weekend) on the bench.
We can blame the regime for a lot of things, but they hired a British manager as demanded by many, gave him a lot of free reign to overhaul the squad, and yet thus far he's come up far short on the coaching bit. I fully expect we'll hear the same lines about us being good for stretches, about us not doing the basics right, and about the team needing time to gel. But all but three of today's squad have been with us since Bury, and the back four has been pretty consistent throughout. Slade has his players, going on Charlton Live it sounds like he's banished Ba to the U-21s despite the fact that he offers something different, for better and for worse. As far as I'm concerned the time for excuses has run out, and if we don't start getting better results the blame should lay with the manager and the team he has assembled.
We obviously didn't deserve to draw that let alone lose it bu that's football and that's why we love it - anything can happen.
Frankly we were there for the taking in the last 15 minutes. Should have been packed away by then but we just did not press enough after a competent first half.
Tale of two number 10s. Ours is not very good and their's ripped Solly apart once he realised he was getting nowhere against Fox.
Our players still playing catch up in bedding in as a team. Too often Lookman and Holmes hold the ball too long when a killer pass is on. Our midfield is ordinary and it is time for some skill and experience in central defence (which we have in abundance).
Anyway, forget all that shit - tell us what we really want to know. What did Sue Parkes think of it?
Lookman in his bubble, very good one though it may be, Holmes too, with his lovely surging runs and get a cross in, Fred and Crofts running around breaking up play and supplying a degree of energy, but mot a midfield unit in the way i understand it.
Wimbledon had a midfield, and even though they did not have any individual player as good as Lookman, the way they combined with each other made up for it.
I am sorry, but i don't think our midfield looked competent, and for the most part we hit long balls to Josh for Ajose to try to feed off, that may be a good plan 'a', but we don't have the resources for a plan 'b' which Wimbledon clearly had today.
Well done RD and KM you have destroyed the club.
Away @ Stevenage who had also been promoted from League Two via the Play-Offs the year before was much worse when we lost 1-0 as it was a freak goal yet there was no effort for the whole of the 90mins that day
Dominated the midfield??The last third of the game, their no 8 was strolling around in the centre with no one near him. We sat so deep just hoofing up to Josh with no one helping him. After the equaliser went him which was caused by Solly lumping it forward a minute prior, we were absolutely awful.
The 2nd half, worst I have seen him play, as for him being a leader and captain - not for me.
Perspective? We have to play for 95 minutes not 60 or 75 wiping the floor.
As for not bringing Botaka on - just why?
Another low, maybe my expectations are just too high for this season ??