Why do we as addicks really care about Manchester bloody United !
Yeah why discuss Managerial comings and goings on a thread thats dedicated to just that
My most successful thread, 154 pages and counting
Sorry Killer its going to come to an end, going forward I'm going to create a separate thread for each Appointment / Sacking / Even the rumours that dont come true
What do we make of Ten Hag as the next Man Utd Manager.
Looks like its going to happen
Feel their problems go beyond the Manager - A bit like here at Charlton, but based on what he's achieved with Ajax, think he could be the sort of appointment they need.
What is success for Man United these days? if the aim is to win the premier league good luck with that because they are miles away from Man City. Not sure what difference he will make for them.
What do we make of Ten Hag as the next Man Utd Manager.
Looks like its going to happen
Feel their problems go beyond the Manager - A bit like here at Charlton, but based on what he's achieved with Ajax, think he could be the sort of appointment they need.
If he's allowed control over who comes and goes, and is actually given time then it could work.
They need a serious overhaul which is going to take time, probably at least a couple of years. I'd say they need to ship out at least 10 players who either don't want to be there (Pogba, Martial) or are dead wood (Matic, Jones, Bailly etc) and probably sign 3-4 top class players who can go straight into the team and fit the way he wants to play. Especially i think they need to sign better full backs and midfielders. Maybe he can get van de Beek playing well in his system.
Be interesting to see how he gets on as doing well at Ajax with by far the biggest budget in what is essentially a 2 team league is a lot different to competing with world class managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel and Conte who've been there and done it. He does however appear to have been a success at all the clubs he's managed.
PL is a two team league as City and Liverpool divide up the trophies this year.
Currently yes but i feel like Ajax would do well with whoever they put in charge. Frank de Boer won 4 consecutive titles with them and look how he did elsewhere.
The PL is a different beast to other leagues, Guardiola took a season to settle in at City. Liverpool crumbled last season when van Dijk was injured. I'm not sure they'd be competing for the title if Klopp left. Huge clubs like Arsenal and Man u have struggled for years. It's not going to be easy for Ten Hag at all, but i bet whoever takes control of Ajax next year will still have them competing for the title.
What do we make of Ten Hag as the next Man Utd Manager.
Looks like its going to happen
Feel their problems go beyond the Manager - A bit like here at Charlton, but based on what he's achieved with Ajax, think he could be the sort of appointment they need.
If he's allowed control over who comes and goes, and is actually given time then it could work.
They need a serious overhaul which is going to take time, probably at least a couple of years. I'd say they need to ship out at least 10 players who either don't want to be there (Pogba, Martial) or are dead wood (Matic, Jones, Bailly etc) and probably sign 3-4 top class players who can go straight into the team and fit the way he wants to play. Especially i think they need to sign better full backs and midfielders. Maybe he can get van de Beek playing well in his system.
Be interesting to see how he gets on as doing well at Ajax with by far the biggest budget in what is essentially a 2 team league is a lot different to competing with world class managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel and Conte who've been there and done it. He does however appear to have been a success at all the clubs he's managed.
Just looking at their full backs, Wan-Bissaka cost £45m and must be England's 6th choice RB...
What do we make of Ten Hag as the next Man Utd Manager.
Looks like its going to happen
Feel their problems go beyond the Manager - A bit like here at Charlton, but based on what he's achieved with Ajax, think he could be the sort of appointment they need.
he'll do well IF he is allowed to make a clean sweep of the dead wood players (perhaps a bonfire more than a clean sweep) .. thing is, for a club like Man U, to rebuild the team will cost LOTS as it seems that the pool of talent from the youth system is not as deep as it once was .. there have been some silly signings/re-signings .. Jones, Martial, too many old geezers like Ronaldo and Cavani, 'name players' proved to be a waste of money like Varane, van de Beek
Whoever goes there it will take a couple of years minimum to sort out the mess, though of course 'mess' with a club like Man U is a relative term.
Also, the new man would be well advised to insist that the increasingly senile one time genius Fergie, is kept well away from the players and the dressing room
ten Hag will fail there for the same reason previous Ajax managers fail in the PL. They come from a one or two team league that out-spends their rivals 5-1 and thus are never really tested much. Also they play one style and the PL does not play that way, as teams are more practical and thus struggle to adjust. Ajax has a great Academy while most PL clubs just buy the players they want. Ten Hag would be great if the goal is to change the culture at ManU from top to bottom and he has a 3-4 years runway. But it never is that way, especially there.
Let's see how previous Ajax managers did once they left Ajax for the PL....
Frank de Boer... lasted 6 matches at Palace before sacked, LOL.
Ronald Koeman.... lasted a bit more than one season at Everton before sacked
Louis Van Gaal... made it almost three seasons at ManU and had a 52% winning percentage and one FA cup.
I give him somewhere between 30-70 matches before he fails.
ten Hag will fail there for the same reason previous Ajax managers fail in the PL. They come from a one or two team league that out-spends their rivals 5-1 and thus are never really tested much. Also they play one style and the PL does not play that way, as teams are more practical and thus struggle to adjust. Ajax has a great Academy while most PL clubs just buy the players they want. Ten Hag would be great if the goal is to change the culture at ManU from top to bottom and he has a 3-4 years runway. But it never is that way, especially there.
Let's see how previous Ajax managers did once they left Ajax for the PL....
Frank de Boer... lasted 6 matches at Palace before sacked, LOL.
Ronald Koeman.... lasted a bit more than one season at Everton before sacked
Louis Van Gaal... made it almost three seasons at ManU and had a 52% winning percentage and one FA cup.
I give him somewhere between 30-70 matches before he fails.
De boer i'll give you but Koeman was at Ajax about a decade before he came to the premier league. And he got the Everton job after 2 top 7 finishes with Southampton.
Van Gaal is a brilliant manager, after Ajax he won league titles in 3 countries before arriving at Man U, including winning the Dutch league with unfancied AZ.
That'll give Welling a bit more hope in terms of survival - I know that Billericay arent owned by that nut job anymore, but still a surprise, less than a week after winning some silverware
That'll give Welling a bit more hope in terms of survival - I know that Billericay arent owned by that nut job anymore, but still a surprise, less than a week after winning some silverware
I think given the remaining games, Welling need a miracle. Billericay play 2 of the bottom 4 so will surely pick up more points than Welling.
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They need a serious overhaul which is going to take time, probably at least a couple of years. I'd say they need to ship out at least 10 players who either don't want to be there (Pogba, Martial) or are dead wood (Matic, Jones, Bailly etc) and probably sign 3-4 top class players who can go straight into the team and fit the way he wants to play. Especially i think they need to sign better full backs and midfielders. Maybe he can get van de Beek playing well in his system.
Be interesting to see how he gets on as doing well at Ajax with by far the biggest budget in what is essentially a 2 team league is a lot different to competing with world class managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel and Conte who've been there and done it. He does however appear to have been a success at all the clubs he's managed.
The PL is a different beast to other leagues, Guardiola took a season to settle in at City. Liverpool crumbled last season when van Dijk was injured. I'm not sure they'd be competing for the title if Klopp left. Huge clubs like Arsenal and Man u have struggled for years. It's not going to be easy for Ten Hag at all, but i bet whoever takes control of Ajax next year will still have them competing for the title.
Whoever goes there it will take a couple of years minimum to sort out the mess, though of course 'mess' with a club like Man U is a relative term.
Also, the new man would be well advised to insist that the increasingly senile one time genius Fergie, is kept well away from the players and the dressing room
They badly need that, whoever is taking first team training etc under the last couple of managers is failing badly.
That's a shocker.
Van Gaal is a brilliant manager, after Ajax he won league titles in 3 countries before arriving at Man U, including winning the Dutch league with unfancied AZ.
That'll give Welling a bit more hope in terms of survival - I know that Billericay arent owned by that nut job anymore, but still a surprise, less than a week after winning some silverware
Manchester United have appointed Ajax coach Erik ten Hag as their next manager.
The Dutchman, 52, will take over from interim boss Ralf Rangnick at the end of this season on a three-year deal which can be extended by a year.
Rangnick, who replaced the sacked Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in November, is set to move into a consultancy role.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61079115
Probably won't be though as they're a mess....