Gillingham v Charlton 2016 post match views
Comments
-
Have you see that classy Roger Johnson, complete class on a classy pole that lad.
That sort of thing?0 -
Think Slade is being a bit unfairly treated if I'm honest. I do think he could be getting a bit more out of this lot but he really was left short by the owners. We needed a new midfield to get the best out of Ajose and Novak, two decent players at this level, It hasn't happened and they are completely lacking in any confidence. Magennis is plugging away but he's not going to be prolific. Tex and Bauer should be playing as they can both play the ball out from the back. I really think Botaka should get a game, otherwise what was the point. Probably give Chicksen a go instead of Fox too see what he's all about. Shame about Ba's attitude as he and Ulvestad would bring a bit of energy to the team.3
-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37741339 Scroll down for Charlton in the air.2
-
I think it was because I was surprised by the sheer number, and felt unsettled that so many should be on duty made me think ominously about it.smiffyboy said:
Seth, genuine question why would the police presence be unsettling to you? If your not doing anything wrong then surely it shouldn't bother you.seth plum said:I was taken aback by the police presence although the ones I spoke to were universally helpful.
It may be the match was a live training exercise which would explain the overkill but the overall effect was unsettling to me.
However some of the behaviour of our support, the sheep like and racist (yes downright racist, where everything done by our black players was castigated by non stop reference to their colour). I don't know whether the security presence was in some way provocative, it was totally targeted at Charlton fans, and if the police wanted a shameful and embarrassing reaction they certainly got it.
Is it snobbish and disloyal to say that our fans ought to moderate (as in stop) the racist language, the constant swearing in front of everybody, the physical provocations, and the vandalism all of which I saw and heard?
Yesterday was a shitty day in virtually every aspect of it.
I would get used to it because the longer these muppets stay in charge and the discontent continues to grow then the more volatile the situation is going to become and you will see more and more police at our matches.
At one point queueing to get in a phalanx of police came down the street like that phalanx on the pitch at the Valley last game last season.
I am hoping it was essentially a training or learning exercise, which I thought overall was pretty clumsy.1 -
if OB weren't there just imagine the trouble there would be at many more games and in the streets around the stadia .. I have always found the Police in these situations to be A1OK .. sometimes a bit brusque but professional and helpful .. generally, don't bother them or anyone else, they will not bother youseth plum said:
I think it was because I was surprised by the sheer number, and felt unsettled that so many should be on duty made me think ominously about it.smiffyboy said:
Seth, genuine question why would the police presence be unsettling to you? If your not doing anything wrong then surely it shouldn't bother you.seth plum said:I was taken aback by the police presence although the ones I spoke to were universally helpful.
It may be the match was a live training exercise which would explain the overkill but the overall effect was unsettling to me.
However some of the behaviour of our support, the sheep like and racist (yes downright racist, where everything done by our black players was castigated by non stop reference to their colour). I don't know whether the security presence was in some way provocative, it was totally targeted at Charlton fans, and if the police wanted a shameful and embarrassing reaction they certainly got it.
Is it snobbish and disloyal to say that our fans ought to moderate (as in stop) the racist language, the constant swearing in front of everybody, the physical provocations, and the vandalism all of which I saw and heard?
Yesterday was a shitty day in virtually every aspect of it.
I would get used to it because the longer these muppets stay in charge and the discontent continues to grow then the more volatile the situation is going to become and you will see more and more police at our matches.
At one point queueing to get in a phalanx of police came down the street like that phalanx on the pitch at the Valley last game last season.
I am hoping it was essentially a training or learning exercise, which I thought overall was pretty clumsy.1 -
Police were fine yesterday, though a large number of our braindead supporters were offended by them being there - but if they didn't act like absolute wankers at away games like this then it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.10
-
I understand where your now coming from, that wasn't a dig btw I was just curious of your thoughts.0
-
I exited the area quickly as the players and Slade got applauded/booed off and managed to avoid the worst of the idiots.cafctom said:Police were fine yesterday, though a large number of our braindead supporters were offended by them being there - but if they didn't act like absolute wankers at away games like this then it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
I don't enjoy these localish away games, as they bring out the worst sort of supporter6 -
Said this after the Oxford game. Such a large percentage of our away following is just idiots going for a row and trouble . Got laughed at by a few on here when I said it but maybe people are starting to see we have nearly as many dickheads supporting us as some of our neighbours8
-
They must of got lost on the way up to Fleetwood and walsallcafc4life said:Said this after the Oxford game. Such a large percentage of our away following is just idiots going for a row and trouble . Got laughed at by a few on here when I said it but maybe people are starting to see we have nearly as many dickheads supporting us as some of our neighbours
3 -
Sponsored links:
-
THIS !!cafc4life said:Said this after the Oxford game. Such a large percentage of our away following is just idiots going for a row and trouble . Got laughed at by a few on here when I said it but maybe people are starting to see we have nearly as many dickheads supporting us as some of our neighbours
1 -
Nowhere in sight at Scunthorpe or Port Vale eitherclb74 said:
They must of got lost on the way up to Fleetwood and walsallcafc4life said:Said this after the Oxford game. Such a large percentage of our away following is just idiots going for a row and trouble . Got laughed at by a few on here when I said it but maybe people are starting to see we have nearly as many dickheads supporting us as some of our neighbours
. 2 -
there was some Ag at Bury .. new season madness perhaps .. soon deflated by a 0-2 lossRedChaser said:
Nowhere in sight at Scunthorpe or Port Vale eitherclb74 said:
They must of got lost on the way up to Fleetwood and walsallcafc4life said:Said this after the Oxford game. Such a large percentage of our away following is just idiots going for a row and trouble . Got laughed at by a few on here when I said it but maybe people are starting to see we have nearly as many dickheads supporting us as some of our neighbours
.1 -
"If you don't behave and act like I do you're not proper Charlton and I don't want you in our club" - laughable1
-
Doesn't have to be deliberate apparently. If arms are raised, and the ball hits one of them, it's supposed to be a pen. It's presumed that you raised your arms to block the ball.vff said:http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10628808/gillingham-1-1-charlton
Sparse highlights. Holmes penalty was way too easy to save. Soft penalty decision for the equaliser, handball and the defender should not have his arms up but on first viewing not obviously deliberate. Ajose puts it away nicely.
1 -
Fair enough but have you ever tried jumping with your arms down by your side, just saying like.jdmotion said:
Doesn't have to be deliberate apparently. If arms are raised, and the ball hits one of them, it's supposed to be a pen. It's presumed that you raised your arms to block the ball.vff said:http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10628808/gillingham-1-1-charlton
Sparse highlights. Holmes penalty was way too easy to save. Soft penalty decision for the equaliser, handball and the defender should not have his arms up but on first viewing not obviously deliberate. Ajose puts it away nicely.0 -
Oh you do?Greenie Junior said:
Hate when people say stupid things like this 'they're NOT charlton' cos someone has behaved in a different manner to what you find acceptable. Weirdjdmotion said:
Not at all. I'd invite them to support Millwall where they allegedly may be received with open arms. They're NOT Charlton if they behave like that.seth plum said:
I'd go further and film
So you think racist abuse of players is fine? And someone saying it's not the Charlton way is 'weird'?
Depressing.
5 -
Yup, used to do that at punk gigs in the 70s.RedChaser said:
Fair enough but have you ever tried jumping with your arms down by your side, just saying like.jdmotion said:
Doesn't have to be deliberate apparently. If arms are raised, and the ball hits one of them, it's supposed to be a pen. It's presumed that you raised your arms to block the ball.vff said:http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10628808/gillingham-1-1-charlton
Sparse highlights. Holmes penalty was way too easy to save. Soft penalty decision for the equaliser, handball and the defender should not have his arms up but on first viewing not obviously deliberate. Ajose puts it away nicely.11 -
Most clubs are going to have a group of hard core fans who either fondly remember the hard firm days, or younger fans who are just wired for speed.
I remember when I was in my teens and twenties, the idea that some older effer knew better than me was like fuel on the flames.
Eff off grandad, what the eff so you know anyway? You're past it and we are the new deal, learn about us grandpa, it's the real world.
That sort of thing.
Clearly as I get towards grandpa age, I think... 'calm down sunshine, we've all been there. There's a place an a time for everything in life. If you are seriously going to go a bit aggro, ask around for those who have been there and done that and maybe it could work out for you.
5 -
Hmm, I suppose you can't say they're "not Charlton", certainly they're not what I'd call typical Charlton or behaving how I'm used to or would like our fans to behave... but they're there, they exist and they're Charlton 'fans' unfortunately. Typical Charlton is more like the bloke I saw filming the level crossing by the ground.jdmotion said:
Oh you do?Greenie Junior said:
Hate when people say stupid things like this 'they're NOT charlton' cos someone has behaved in a different manner to what you find acceptable. Weirdjdmotion said:
Not at all. I'd invite them to support Millwall where they allegedly may be received with open arms. They're NOT Charlton if they behave like that.seth plum said:
I'd go further and film
So you think racist abuse of players is fine? And someone saying it's not the Charlton way is 'weird'?
Depressing.
It used to feel like the trouble makers/oiks/morons would all just head off to Millwall to pick a fight with their reflection in the bogs, but something is undeniably sending them our way now. My experiences recently have been a far cry from a few years back, but can only speak for myself.
I guess, the club is sick - and bacteria is growing on it.4 -
Sponsored links:
-
Yes, i do.. And I didn't say it was fine, don't be a wally.jdmotion said:
Oh you do?Greenie Junior said:
Hate when people say stupid things like this 'they're NOT charlton' cos someone has behaved in a different manner to what you find acceptable. Weirdjdmotion said:
Not at all. I'd invite them to support Millwall where they allegedly may be received with open arms. They're NOT Charlton if they behave like that.seth plum said:
I'd go further and film
So you think racist abuse of players is fine? And someone saying it's not the Charlton way is 'weird'?
Depressing.
Just because some people are different to how you'd act etc, doesn't mean that they are any less of a fan/supporter. There's every chance they could even spend more of their money/time following the team than you do.2 -
Agreed. Well put.Oh_Yoni_Boy said:
Hmm, I suppose you can't say they're "not Charlton", certainly they're not what I'd call typical Charlton or behaving how I'm used to or would like our fans to behave... but they're there, they exist and they're Charlton 'fans' unfortunately. Typical Charlton is more like the bloke I saw filming the level crossing by the ground.jdmotion said:
Oh you do?Greenie Junior said:
Hate when people say stupid things like this 'they're NOT charlton' cos someone has behaved in a different manner to what you find acceptable. Weirdjdmotion said:
Not at all. I'd invite them to support Millwall where they allegedly may be received with open arms. They're NOT Charlton if they behave like that.seth plum said:
I'd go further and film
So you think racist abuse of players is fine? And someone saying it's not the Charlton way is 'weird'?
Depressing.
It used to feel like the trouble makers/oiks/morons would all just head off to Millwall to pick a fight with their reflection in the bogs, but something is undeniably sending them our way now. My experiences recently have been a far cry from a few years back, but can only speak for myself.
I guess, the club is sick - and bacteria is growing on it.
0 -
Yes, if they are racist and smash up seats at away matches, or try to start fights etc, in my mind it does mean they are less of a fan than others who don't act like morons.Greenie Junior said:
Yes, i do.. And I didn't say it was fine, don't be a wally.jdmotion said:
Oh you do?Greenie Junior said:
Hate when people say stupid things like this 'they're NOT charlton' cos someone has behaved in a different manner to what you find acceptable. Weirdjdmotion said:
Not at all. I'd invite them to support Millwall where they allegedly may be received with open arms. They're NOT Charlton if they behave like that.seth plum said:
I'd go further and film
So you think racist abuse of players is fine? And someone saying it's not the Charlton way is 'weird'?
Depressing.
Just because some people are different to how you'd act etc, doesn't mean that they are any less of a fan/supporter. There's every chance they could even spend more of their money/time following the team than you do.
It's just my opinion.
And I don't care how much time and money they spend following the team.5 -
Unfortunately, being racist and/or violent doesn't mean they aren't Charlton fans.jdmotion said:
Oh you do?Greenie Junior said:
Hate when people say stupid things like this 'they're NOT charlton' cos someone has behaved in a different manner to what you find acceptable. Weirdjdmotion said:
Not at all. I'd invite them to support Millwall where they allegedly may be received with open arms. They're NOT Charlton if they behave like that.seth plum said:
I'd go further and film
So you think racist abuse of players is fine? And someone saying it's not the Charlton way is 'weird'?
Depressing.
Just as supporting the regime, supporting CARD or not recognising the genius of Chuck Berry don't disbarr anyone either.
3 -
Post match views time! This is a full on blast of stream of consciousness.
It was a pile of steamy sweaty shit. First half, we had no urgency or passion, while Gillingham closed us down and moved the ball much, much quicker. Their goal was absolutely deserved. Dack wasn't picked up by Pearce/Fox; Holmes was ineffectual against Konchesky; Lookman was marked out of it. Crofts and Ulvestad may as well be sports bags; Magennis had no help; Jackson is past it; Konsa played well; Solly was... meh. Fox was poor and skinned three/four times... Rudd was blameless for most things, and had nothing to do. Made a good save.
This is for Russell Slade - I can tell you where we're going wrong, and even in some aspects how to change it.
- Fox is overexposed because Lookman cannot defend. We have no adequate LM player/cover, so Fox will continually come under pressure, and as he's not the best left back we've ever had, will make more mistakes because he has more opportunity to. SOLUTION: get a fucking left mid
- Crofts and Ulvestad do not get "stuck in". Seriously - no closing down, and we invite pressure. End result - they have more space to attack; we have less space in defence. This gives the oppo control of all their attacking situations.
- As a corollary, we allow ourselves to be closed down instantly when in possession. We have less space to attack; they have more space to defend. This gives the oppo control of all their defensive plays.
- Space is our friend. We do not use it at all well. Tempo is also our friend, and ours is so fucking slow. Fox, Crofts, Ulvestad are the three main perpetrators. They also do not move into space. Criminal at any footballing level.
- SOLUTION to the above: 1) sign an actually good centre mid; 2) tell your players to press high and close down; 3) get them fitter; 4) play at a higher tempo (2 and 4 are contingent on 3).
--------
As for the fans - I was disappointed to hear, after Nicky Ajose played a through ball that went out for a goal kick: "Why did he play the ball through there?!" "Because he's a n****r mate." Idiots. There was no atmosphere (not helped by the lack of roof); some idiot fans; and all of that. Anyway. Back to the football.
--------
- JJ off Ajose on was a good move. However I take Ajose with a pinch of salt - one good season does not a forward make, and we've signed him based on one good season. He played well, and put the penalty away very calmly. Same cannot be said for Holmes, who took a shit penalty and played shit.
- Gillingham knew to mark Holmes and Lookman and we had no ideas when that happened.
- Central midfield is appalling. There's no drive there. Both are... just kind of there. That's about it. Nothing doing.
- Fox desperately needs a midfielder who tracks back (even like Holmes) to help cover him. Lookman leaves him exposed.
- Lookman, while obviously a fantastic talent, was disappointing and in some aspects rather casual.
- Slade's body language; demeanour; and tactical nous are all very very worrying. Totally uninspiring.
- Solly had Nouble on him all game and dealt with him well considering he was never going to win any aerial battles.
- Konsa played very well; Pearce alongside him no doubt helps him play well. I think that's a good central defensive pairing, but Bauer/Tex would be a lot better.
--------
I mean, it's shit. There's nothing to celebrate; nothing to note; we are shit. Why do I keep going?17 -
It wasn't what I was saying.
Well not really.
I was probably just saying that I don't respect them.
I'm sure they'd be gutted to hear that.0 -
The last three games' player marks have you bang wrong on Ulvestad. He's quality. Our CM deficiencies are almost all down to Crofts. Ulvestad plus an energetic and competent defensive CM would dominate this league.3
-
If you're talking to me, I haven't done player marks in ages. You may be thinking of the similarly-monikered Paddy7 mate.Leuth said:The last three games' player marks have you bang wrong on Ulvestad. He's quality. Our CM deficiencies are almost all down to Crofts. Ulvestad plus an energetic and competent defensive CM would dominate this league.
Ulvestad, yesterday, was not quality. He turns every 50-50 challenge into a 100-0 one for the opposition player.2 -
I'm just intolerant.0
-
I mean his average mark. He's been one of our best players for three games in a row now, according to everyone.0
