Was never a lover of Karls hated his tactics and even if hed of taken us up id of still been moaning about him. If though he was told over a month ago he was told he had no future at the club would that knock the b@llocks out of him. Does it get back to the dressing room would the players said what even if you get us promoted. will see how he gets on at oxford.
Can’t say I was impressed by his management skills but then again even a decent manager is unlikely to thrive under Roland. However, from his parting press statement he seems like a nice enough bloke so wish him well in the future. Bowyer and Jackson will steady the ship for the present. Just need the sale to go through so we get someone who will support the next manager and has a realistic plan to get us back to the top flight.
Robinson has apparently said he didn’t ask for compensation. Maybe that’s correct. If he went further and said he’d offered to buy himself out of his contract then I might think that was decent. However, RD refused his resignation as I suspect Robinson knew he would because he was due some money from Oxford. Even RD isn’t silly enough to miss out on that. Therefore, Robinson’s claim that he didn’t ask for money for himself doesn’t tell the whole story does it!
Sorry, you’re saying RD required the compensation due because Robinson wanted to quit while under contract, but then what’s the other story you’re alluding to? Only asking for info, as I don’t understand what the other story might be. All parties would have known RD was due compensation. The argument used for him not getting any may have been a claim of constructive dismissal, which would negate the need for compensation to be paid. I expect it was those negotiations holding things up, don’t you? It’s also possible that part of the negotiations might have involved Ribinson agreeing to sign a further NDA. Only speculation of course.
There is so much wrong with that analysis, from both an employment law and a football contract perspective, that I wouldn’t know where to start. Trust me, I’ve sacked two complete football management teams in the last five years and employment law in general and football matters relating to contracts could be my specialist subject on Mastermind! (I’m pretty useless at most other things).
He’s gone, his lunatic boss is going - let’s just be thankful for that.
It's not my specialist subject Bob, although I have some experience in music bizz law and TV employment law. So football is very different from what I've experienced. I've known of newscasters being poached and being made to take gardening leave during their notice period. So if you employed a football manager he could walk out and join a rival team, leaving you in the lurch with no penalty at all? Would you not have a notice clause in the contract? I just can't see how Robinson could resign and then demand compensation, which was what was being claimed. If you say he could then I'll take your word for it, and Henners can fill his boots!
Robinson has apparently said he didn’t ask for compensation. Maybe that’s correct. If he went further and said he’d offered to buy himself out of his contract then I might think that was decent. However, RD refused his resignation as I suspect Robinson knew he would because he was due some money from Oxford. Even RD isn’t silly enough to miss out on that. Therefore, Robinson’s claim that he didn’t ask for money for himself doesn’t tell the whole story does it!
Sorry, you’re saying RD required the compensation due because Robinson wanted to quit while under contract, but then what’s the other story you’re alluding to? Only asking for info, as I don’t understand what the other story might be. All parties would have known RD was due compensation. The argument used for him not getting any may have been a claim of constructive dismissal, which would negate the need for compensation to be paid. I expect it was those negotiations holding things up, don’t you? It’s also possible that part of the negotiations might have involved Ribinson agreeing to sign a further NDA. Only speculation of course.
There is so much wrong with that analysis, from both an employment law and a football contract perspective, that I wouldn’t know where to start. Trust me, I’ve sacked two complete football management teams in the last five years and employment law in general and football matters relating to contracts could be my specialist subject on Mastermind! (I’m pretty useless at most other things).
He’s gone, his lunatic boss is going - let’s just be thankful for that.
It's not my specialist subject Bob, although I have some experience in music bizz law and TV employment law. So football is very different from what I've experienced. I've known of newscasters being poached and being made to take gardening leave during their notice period. So if you employed a football manager he could walk out and join a rival team, leaving you in the lurch with no penalty at all? Would you not have a notice clause in the contract? I just can't see how Robinson could resign and then demand compensation, which was what was being claimed. If you say he could then I'll take your word for it, and Henners can fill his boots!
Yes there would have been a termination clause in the contract and if he resigned he would not be in the position to demand compensation. The 'constructive unfair dismissal argument' is a red-herring and he would almost certainly not have a case unless there was something in his contract that stipulated an amount of funds that would be made available to him. That is not going to have been the case and even if it were business climates (in the process of selling a loss-making business for example) changing would mitigate the lack of funds. If successful the maximum award at an Employment Tribunal, assuming no protected characteristic was involved in the 'dismissal', is £80k or a year's salary - whichever is the least. If KR walks then Roland would have to quantify consequential loss as damages - it wouldn't be worth the hassle.
The likely outcome is that Oxford United paid compensation to Charlton to enable KR to be released from his contract early.
Robinson has apparently said he didn’t ask for compensation. Maybe that’s correct. If he went further and said he’d offered to buy himself out of his contract then I might think that was decent. However, RD refused his resignation as I suspect Robinson knew he would because he was due some money from Oxford. Even RD isn’t silly enough to miss out on that. Therefore, Robinson’s claim that he didn’t ask for money for himself doesn’t tell the whole story does it!
Sorry, you’re saying RD required the compensation due because Robinson wanted to quit while under contract, but then what’s the other story you’re alluding to? Only asking for info, as I don’t understand what the other story might be. All parties would have known RD was due compensation. The argument used for him not getting any may have been a claim of constructive dismissal, which would negate the need for compensation to be paid. I expect it was those negotiations holding things up, don’t you? It’s also possible that part of the negotiations might have involved Ribinson agreeing to sign a further NDA. Only speculation of course.
There is so much wrong with that analysis, from both an employment law and a football contract perspective, that I wouldn’t know where to start. Trust me, I’ve sacked two complete football management teams in the last five years and employment law in general and football matters relating to contracts could be my specialist subject on Mastermind! (I’m pretty useless at most other things).
He’s gone, his lunatic boss is going - let’s just be thankful for that.
It's not my specialist subject Bob, although I have some experience in music bizz law and TV employment law. So football is very different from what I've experienced. I've known of newscasters being poached and being made to take gardening leave during their notice period. So if you employed a football manager he could walk out and join a rival team, leaving you in the lurch with no penalty at all? Would you not have a notice clause in the contract? I just can't see how Robinson could resign and then demand compensation, which was what was being claimed. If you say he could then I'll take your word for it, and Henners can fill his boots!
Yes there would have been a termination clause in the contract and if he resigned he would not be in the position to demand compensation. The 'constructive unfair dismissal argument' is a red-herring and he would almost certainly not have a case unless there was something in his contract that stipulated an amount of funds that would be made available to him. That is not going to have been the case and even if it were business climates (in the process of selling a loss-making business for example) changing would mitigate the lack of funds. If successful the maximum award at an Employment Tribunal, assuming no protected characteristic was involved in the 'dismissal', is £80k or a year's salary - whichever is the least. If KR walks then Roland would have to quantity consequential loss as damages - it wouldn't be worth the hassle.
The likely outcome is that Oxford United paid compensation to Charlton to enable KR to be released from his contract early.
Thanks Bob, that's the central point I was trying to make to those saying Karl had tried to get compensation. I probably got a bit lost along the way, but you've certainly confirmed the main bit. Interestingly (well to me at least lol), Jimmy Seed refused a contract when he joined Charlton, because he wanted to prove himself first.
Robinson has apparently said he didn’t ask for compensation. Maybe that’s correct. If he went further and said he’d offered to buy himself out of his contract then I might think that was decent. However, RD refused his resignation as I suspect Robinson knew he would because he was due some money from Oxford. Even RD isn’t silly enough to miss out on that. Therefore, Robinson’s claim that he didn’t ask for money for himself doesn’t tell the whole story does it!
Sorry, you’re saying RD required the compensation due because Robinson wanted to quit while under contract, but then what’s the other story you’re alluding to? Only asking for info, as I don’t understand what the other story might be. All parties would have known RD was due compensation. The argument used for him not getting any may have been a claim of constructive dismissal, which would negate the need for compensation to be paid. I expect it was those negotiations holding things up, don’t you? It’s also possible that part of the negotiations might have involved Ribinson agreeing to sign a further NDA. Only speculation of course.
There is so much wrong with that analysis, from both an employment law and a football contract perspective, that I wouldn’t know where to start. Trust me, I’ve sacked two complete football management teams in the last five years and employment law in general and football matters relating to contracts could be my specialist subject on Mastermind! (I’m pretty useless at most other things).
He’s gone, his lunatic boss is going - let’s just be thankful for that.
It's not my specialist subject Bob, although I have some experience in music bizz law and TV employment law. So football is very different from what I've experienced. I've known of newscasters being poached and being made to take gardening leave during their notice period. So if you employed a football manager he could walk out and join a rival team, leaving you in the lurch with no penalty at all? Would you not have a notice clause in the contract? I just can't see how Robinson could resign and then demand compensation, which was what was being claimed. If you say he could then I'll take your word for it, and Henners can fill his boots!
Yes there would have been a termination clause in the contract and if he resigned he would not be in the position to demand compensation. The 'constructive unfair dismissal argument' is a red-herring and he would almost certainly not have a case unless there was something in his contract that stipulated an amount of funds that would be made available to him. That is not going to have been the case and even if it were business climates (in the process of selling a loss-making business for example) changing would mitigate the lack of funds. If successful the maximum award at an Employment Tribunal, assuming no protected characteristic was involved in the 'dismissal', is £80k or a year's salary - whichever is the least. If KR walks then Roland would have to quantity consequential loss as damages - it wouldn't be worth the hassle.
The likely outcome is that Oxford United paid compensation to Charlton to enable KR to be released from his contract early.
Thanks Bob, that's the central point I was trying to make to those saying Karl had tried to get compensation. I probably got a bit lost along the way, but you've certainly confirmed the main bit. Interestingly (well to me at least lol), Jimmy Seed refused a contract when he joined Charlton, because he wanted to prove himself first.
The days of there being honour and integrity in professional football are, sadly, long gone.
Have been thinking of a meaningful comment to make since the news broke, but sadly cannot. I was never keen on Robinson whilst he was here and indifferent now he's gone. Sadly another example of how Duchatalet's reign continues to dampen any enthusiasm and why I will continue to support and take part in the campaign to depose him.
Heard from a good source that, before KR had left, that Oxford players were ringing their mates in the Charlton squad saying KR had rung them saying he was going to be their manager. Neither Charlton or Oxford players impressed.
Heard from a good source that, before KR had left, that Oxford players were ringing their mates in the Charlton squad saying KR had rung them saying he was going to be their manager. Neither Charlton or Oxford players impressed.
Can someone please tell me, realistically, what manager would have done a better job in these circumstances with the budget he had along with dealing with RD and co
Yes, he's made mistakes but Jesus Christ we are 7th in the league 2 points of the play offs with 2 games in hand considering all the crap going on around him!
Heard from a good source that, before KR had left, that Oxford players were ringing their mates in the Charlton squad saying KR had rung them saying he was going to be their manager. Neither Charlton or Oxford players impressed.
If true shows what a classless prick he is. Never bought into his "kiss the badge" faux passion for our club. Will be following Oxfords results with interest and wish them good luck because they are going need it under this clueless clown.
Can someone please tell me, realistically, what manager would have done a better job in these circumstances with the budget he had along with dealing with RD and co
Yes, he's made mistakes but Jesus Christ we are 7th in the league 2 points of the play offs with 2 games in hand considering all the crap going on around him!
I agree - he was too rigid and inflexible but some of the players were his players. He had to go and today proved it. When he was giving excuses why he couldn't play two up top - they have been shown to be bo***cks!!!
I agree - he was too rigid and inflexible but some of the players were his players. He had to go and today proved it. When he was giving excuses why he couldn't play two up top - they have been shown to be bo***cks!!!
Bowyer was pretty scathing of KR tactics. Basically said how can you only have one way to play. He goes on from that about the diamond formation being worked on yesterday. If KR had been a tad more flexible then who knows where we could have been in the league. Hey ho, new era en-route. If they have any sense they’ll keep Bowyer and Jackson til the end of the season at least.
KR was one of the most inept, clueless, self indulgent, idiots who had a total lack of class that I have witnessed manage this club and that includes some of the Belgian shite that we have also had to endure over the last few years,
He was a full on PR machine telling people what they wanted to hear with no substance, excuse after excuse to hide his inability to turn things around on the pitch once his one formation of 4-2-3-1 had been worked out by the whole league back in November. good riddance - he won't be missed!
KR was one of the most inept, clueless, self indulgent, idiots who had a total lack of class that I have witnessed manage this club and that includes some of the Belgian shite that we have also had to endure over the last few years,
He was a full on PR machine telling people what they wanted to hear with no substance, excuse after excuse to hide his inability to turn things around on the pitch once his one formation of 4-2-3-1 had been worked out by the whole league back in November. good riddance - he won't be missed!
Oh yes, and what happens the Saturday after he leaves? Two inexperienced coaches pick up the baton, have a look at the next opponents, pick the best system to deal with them, select a team accordingly, send the team out on the pitch with a plan and a purpose, and deliver a victory.
Football is a simple game, over-complicated by idiots.
KR was one of the most inept, clueless, self indulgent, idiots who had a total lack of class that I have witnessed manage this club and that includes some of the Belgian shite that we have also had to endure over the last few years,
He was a full on PR machine telling people what they wanted to hear with no substance, excuse after excuse to hide his inability to turn things around on the pitch once his one formation of 4-2-3-1 had been worked out by the whole league back in November. good riddance - he won't be missed!
Oh yes, and what happens the Saturday after he leaves? Two inexperienced coaches pick up the baton, have a look at the next opponents, pick the best system to deal with them, select a team accordingly, send the team out on the pitch with a plan and a purpose, and deliver a victory.
Football is a simple game, over-complicated by idiots.
Idiots don't come any bigger than KR. The guy is a chancer - makes David Brent sound like Einstein.
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If though he was told over a month ago he was told he had no future at the club would that knock the b@llocks out of him.
Does it get back to the dressing room would the players said what even if you get us promoted.
will see how he gets on at oxford.
Bowyer and Jackson will steady the ship for the present. Just need the sale to go through so we get someone who will support the next manager and has a realistic plan to get us back to the top flight.
The likely outcome is that Oxford United paid compensation to Charlton to enable KR to be released from his contract early.
Interestingly (well to me at least lol), Jimmy Seed refused a contract when he joined Charlton, because he wanted to prove himself first.
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He goes on from that about the diamond formation being worked on yesterday.
If KR had been a tad more flexible then who knows where we could have been in the league.
Hey ho, new era en-route.
If they have any sense they’ll keep Bowyer and Jackson til the end of the season at least.
He was a full on PR machine telling people what they wanted to hear with no substance, excuse after excuse to hide his inability to turn things around on the pitch once his one formation of 4-2-3-1 had been worked out by the whole league back in November. good riddance - he won't be missed!
Football is a simple game, over-complicated by idiots.