It is mentioned above thst tallow alternative would be a worse option. Would it? What is the purpose of the tallow in the notes anyway? I read it is a small amount anyway. I don't know, but maybe candlewax or soap would do the trick. If we are discussing tiny amounts of stuff then in the future could there not be an alternative? Failing that, maybe instead of leaving one's body to medical research, maybe people could leave themselves to banknotes, perhaps for a small fee.
Natural ingredient compared to fossil fuel derived material with a carbon footprint?
Cows do fart a lot though.
So do Vegetarians.........as anyone who has spent any time in a veggie restaurant will testify!
Perhaps we can find a lesson from history. From the very pragmatic French, in fact. When the Cemetery of The Innocents in Paris became too full, bodies were exhumed and the bones were moved to the Catacombs in 1786. However, many bodies had incompletely decomposed and had reduced into large deposits of fat. During the exhumation, this fat was collected and subsequently turned into candles and soap. Would vegans mind if some of us donated our bodies after death for bank note tallow production?
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
Perhaps we can find a lesson from history. From the very pragmatic French, in fact. When the Cemetery of The Innocents in Paris became too full, bodies were exhumed and the bones were moved to the Catacombs in 1786. However, many bodies had incompletely decomposed and had reduced into large deposits of fat. During the exhumation, this fat was collected and subsequently turned into candles and soap. Would vegans mind if some of us donated our bodies after death for bank note tallow production?
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
You can, as I do, object to both.
Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
You can, as I do, object to both.
Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
You can, as I do, object to both.
Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.
So what other option is there?
Paper notes.
Reasonable of course. There are however obvious reasons they're leaving the paper note behind.
Palm oil can be sought from sustainable sources though. If it's only half a cow of tallow in all the drivers, we aren't talking deforestation here are we?
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
You can, as I do, object to both.
Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.
So what other option is there?
Paper notes.
Classic example of not thinking the problem through.
Paper notes still need production so leave an environmental footprint. Paper notes would need to be replaced with far far far greater frequency than the new ones will.
In ecological terms the new notes are great news but hey let's not let facts get in the way of irrational nonsense.
This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
You can, as I do, object to both.
Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.
So what other option is there?
Paper notes.
Classic example of not thinking the problem through.
Paper notes still need production so leave an environmental footprint. Paper notes would need to be replaced with far far far greater frequency than the new ones will.
In ecological terms the new notes are great news but hey let's not let facts get in the way of irrational nonsense.
I haven't at any point raised environmental effects as being my issue. It's about forcing people to use animal products in a product that is virtually impossible to avoid. There are many of us who find that a difficult issue.
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So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?
I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.
In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.
Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.
Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.
Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.
I'm bored shitless of the Article 50 thread......so was hoping to stir up a different lunacy on this one
So what other option is there?
Paper notes still need production so leave an environmental footprint. Paper notes would need to be replaced with far far far greater frequency than the new ones will.
In ecological terms the new notes are great news but hey let's not let facts get in the way of irrational nonsense.
I guess it's the law of entropy acting.
It's about forcing people to use animal products in a product that is virtually impossible to avoid. There are many of us who find that a difficult issue.