New fiver not suitable for vegetarians.

JaShea99

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The new tenner prototype is 'lined' up.....

seth plum

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Anyone on here been in Costa without their teeth?

SoundAsa£

ShootersHillGuru said:

Dippenhall said:

seth plum said:

It is mentioned above thst tallow alternative would be a worse option. Would it? What is the purpose of the tallow in the notes anyway? I read it is a small amount anyway. I don't know, but maybe candlewax or soap would do the trick. If we are discussing tiny amounts of stuff then in the future could there not be an alternative?
Failing that, maybe instead of leaving one's body to medical research, maybe people could leave themselves to banknotes, perhaps for a small fee.

Natural ingredient compared to fossil fuel derived material with a carbon footprint?

Cows do fart a lot though.

So do Vegetarians.........as anyone who has spent any time in a veggie restaurant will testify!

cafcdave123

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SuedeAdidas

Cant have this tread languishing down the pages.....

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/15123462.New_fake___5_notes_rumoured_to_be_in_circulation___here_s_what_to_look_out_for/

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The most Guardian headline, ever?

iaitch

To parody Marie Antoinette 'let them eat meat'.

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Alwaysneil

Depends on your source I've heard?

SuedeAdidas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

cafcfan

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

Perhaps we can find a lesson from history. From the very pragmatic French, in fact. When the Cemetery of The Innocents in Paris became too full, bodies were exhumed and the bones were moved to the Catacombs in 1786. However, many bodies had incompletely decomposed and had reduced into large deposits of fat. During the exhumation, this fat was collected and subsequently turned into candles and soap. Would vegans mind if some of us donated our bodies after death for bank note tallow production?

cantersaddick

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

SuedeAdidas

Nice work @cantersaddick.

I'm bored shitless of the Article 50 thread......so was hoping to stir up a different lunacy on this one

DaveMehmet

cafcfan said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

Perhaps we can find a lesson from history. From the very pragmatic French, in fact. When the Cemetery of The Innocents in Paris became too full, bodies were exhumed and the bones were moved to the Catacombs in 1786. However, many bodies had incompletely decomposed and had reduced into large deposits of fat. During the exhumation, this fat was collected and subsequently turned into candles and soap. Would vegans mind if some of us donated our bodies after death for bank note tallow production?

Remind me never to moan about my job again.

iainment

cantersaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You can, as I do, object to both.

cantersaddick

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You can, as I do, object to both.

Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.

So what other option is there?

iainment

cantersaddick said:

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You can, as I do, object to both.

Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.

So what other option is there?

Paper notes.

cantersaddick

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You can, as I do, object to both.

Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.

So what other option is there?

Paper notes.

Reasonable of course. There are however obvious reasons they're leaving the paper note behind.

McBobbin

Palm oil can be sought from sustainable sources though. If it's only half a cow of tallow in all the drivers, we aren't talking deforestation here are we?

ShootersHillGuru

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You can, as I do, object to both.

Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.

So what other option is there?

Paper notes.

Classic example of not thinking the problem through.

Paper notes still need production so leave an environmental footprint. Paper notes would need to be replaced with far far far greater frequency than the new ones will.

In ecological terms the new notes are great news but hey let's not let facts get in the way of irrational nonsense.

Alwaysneil

While life repeats in cycles has anyone else noticed this shallow tallow discussion contracting every time it comes up?

I guess it's the law of entropy acting.

iainment

ShootersHillGuru said:

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

iainment said:

cantersaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441971

So what's gonna get it? Cow or Orangutan ?

This is what I've been saying all along. The tiny amount of meat product in there was very much the least worse option.

I challenge someone who was appalled by that to do some research into palm oil farming and particularly the Unilever controversy and to tell me that is a better option.

In terms of conservation and the environment palm oil is a million times worse.

Palm oil is responsible for 1000s of species of plant going extinct. Many of them had medicinal qualities we weren't able to exploit. Not just orangutans but many other animals are endangered as a result of destroying the rainforest to make space for massive palm oil farms.

Green peace (not an organisation I support but their motives are usually correct) described it at the time as the single biggest threat to animal welfare. It is genuinely horrendous.

Anyone who cares about the environment, animal welfare, ecosystems or conservation would be capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You can, as I do, object to both.

Of course. But then what do you suggest using? As I've outlined in previous posts on this thread the synthetic tallow option whilst considerably better than Palm oil is worse than the cow tallow option.

So what other option is there?

Paper notes.

Classic example of not thinking the problem through.

Paper notes still need production so leave an environmental footprint. Paper notes would need to be replaced with far far far greater frequency than the new ones will.

In ecological terms the new notes are great news but hey let's not let facts get in the way of irrational nonsense.

I haven't at any point raised environmental effects as being my issue.
It's about forcing people to use animal products in a product that is virtually impossible to avoid. There are many of us who find that a difficult issue.

ValleyGary

Just ask for your money in coins if its that big an issue.

iainment

ValleyGary said:

Just ask for your money in coins if its that big an issue.

ATMs.

randy andy

iainment said:

ValleyGary said:

Just ask for your money in coins if its that big an issue.

ATMs.

Rarely do fiver's, especially if you ask for an amount divisible by 10

iainment

randy andy said:

iainment said:

ValleyGary said:

Just ask for your money in coins if its that big an issue.

ATMs.

Rarely do fiver's, especially if you ask for an amount divisible by 10

They do where I work. And it doesn't matter the amount. You get a 20 and two 5s if you want 30 and so on.

ValleyGary

iainment said:

ValleyGary said:

Just ask for your money in coins if its that big an issue.

ATMs.

Small sacrifice if it means that much to you. You'll just have to go into the bank when its open.