no more deviation or contributor-focus please, its being liaised privately.
Lets just have a run at focusing on topic please. thanks
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Does anyone else think that, as the EFL go to so many lengths to ensure the buyers are checked in the first place, they should also keep tabs on clubs and pay special attention to those that don't have hardly any senior back office management and no permanent football manager / assistant manager?
I woulda thought that when an owner starts to show signs of neglect or strange behaviour, they should be asked to come before the EFL to reassure them the Club is still in safe hands and maybe provide a plan going forward.
What is happening now is obvioudly ludicrous and makes the fit and proper person test seem a complete waste of time imo, considering RD only passed it under 4 years ago.
Does anyone else think that, as the EFL go to so many lengths to ensure the buyers are checked in the first place, they should also keep tabs on clubs and pay special attention to those that don't have hardly any senior back office management and no permanent football manager / assistant manager?
I woulda thought that when an owner starts to show signs of neglect or strange behaviour, they should be asked to come before the EFL to reassure them the Club is still in safe hands and maybe provide a plan going forward.
What is happening now is obvioudly ludicrous and makes the fit and proper person test seem a complete waste of time imo, considering RD only passed it under 4 years ago.
Now you're talking.
That's the issue. Currently the EFL do not consider that their remit in any way allows them to oversee how a club is actually run, so long as it fulfils its fixtures. As such, officially at least, they do not need to give a toss about our concerns. The current ODT is designed simply to say "we vetted them, and they had the money. We cannot force them to spend it, or spend it in a certain way"
That is what we have to change. That is a huge change. We will never do this alone, which is why it is important to partner with other clubs' fan groups. And I am afraid that this change is needed across football (i.e the FAPL and the FA too). Personally I think only a regulator with real teeth can sort this shit out, and that will require political force to make it happen, as you run up (even within the EFL) against huge amounts of privately retained money.
We are at the heart of the fight for the soul of English football. Not for the faint-hearted. But we are Charlton.
no more deviation or contributor-focus please, its being liaised privately.
Lets just have a run at focusing on topic please. thanks
There's nothing you can know that isn't known Nothing you can see that isn't shown There's nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be It's easy...
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
one slight correction from of the latest summary it makes it look as though LdV (I assume at the FF) agreed there were three groups that had completed DD but this is not the case as I understood it, he agreed 2, another group did an initial DD but then baulked..
Edit: Although I note the Daily Mail is mentioned/credited, this was not the impression given at the FF
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
So, you're saying that "a difficult two weeks ahead" and "it'll all be worthwhile"
is materially different from
"a couple of difficult weeks ahead" and "it will be all worth while"?
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
So, you're saying that "a difficult two weeks ahead" and "it'll all be worthwhile"
is materially different from
"a couple of difficult weeks ahead" and "it will be all worth while"?
Because they seem very, very similar to me.
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one slight correction from of the latest summary it makes it look as though LdV (I assume at the FF) agreed there were three groups that had completed DD but this is not the case as I understood it, he agreed 2, another group did an initial DD but then baulked..
Edit: Although I note the Daily Mail is mentioned/credited, this was not the impression given at the FF
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
Which is slightly depressing if you hoped it would happen before the start of the season, but positive if you thought it wouldn’t happen this season at all, or they were pulling out.
I’m sure he’d want to apologise for not being able to share any proper details, but if you start breaking NDAs you immediately lose all business credibility.
[*turns off phone, dives for cover*]
PS 16/1 is poor value.
It might've been what he said, but that weren't what was reported and we can only go by what was reported
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
Could just relay them accurately?
It’s only a tiny difference as @chizz has said, (but add ‘when it is completed’) but it could be interpreted slightly differently. My mistake.
one slight correction from of the latest summary it makes it look as though LdV (I assume at the FF) agreed there were three groups that had completed DD but this is not the case as I understood it, he agreed 2, another group did an initial DD but then baulked..
Edit: Although I note the Daily Mail is mentioned/credited, this was not the impression given at the FF
one slight correction from of the latest summary it makes it look as though LdV (I assume at the FF) agreed there were three groups that had completed DD but this is not the case as I understood it, he agreed 2, another group did an initial DD but then baulked..
Edit: Although I note the Daily Mail is mentioned/credited, this was not the impression given at the FF
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
Could just relay them accurately?
It’s only a tiny difference as @chizz has said, (but add ‘when it is completed’) but it could be interpreted slightly differently. My mistake.
That wasn't an attempt to dig you out, may have just saved you some stick when the '2 weeks' had passed.
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Does anyone else think that, as the EFL go to so many lengths to ensure the buyers are checked in the first place, they should also keep tabs on clubs and pay special attention to those that don't have hardly any senior back office management and no permanent football manager / assistant manager?
I woulda thought that when an owner starts to show signs of neglect or strange behaviour, they should be asked to come before the EFL to reassure them the Club is still in safe hands and maybe provide a plan going forward.
What is happening now is obvioudly ludicrous and makes the fit and proper person test seem a complete waste of time imo, considering RD only passed it under 4 years ago.
That's the issue. Currently the EFL do not consider that their remit in any way allows them to oversee how a club is actually run, so long as it fulfils its fixtures. As such, officially at least, they do not need to give a toss about our concerns. The current ODT is designed simply to say "we vetted them, and they had the money. We cannot force them to spend it, or spend it in a certain way"
That is what we have to change. That is a huge change. We will never do this alone, which is why it is important to partner with other clubs' fan groups. And I am afraid that this change is needed across football (i.e the FAPL and the FA too). Personally I think only a regulator with real teeth can sort this shit out, and that will require political force to make it happen, as you run up (even within the EFL) against huge amounts of privately retained money.
We are at the heart of the fight for the soul of English football. Not for the faint-hearted. But we are Charlton.
They can't be a real person, can they?
On the Bitsize thread it states: “Following an exchange with @JamesSeed Gerard Murphy from the Aussie Consortium warns of ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’, but also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’”
What he actually said was slightly different:
“There may be a couple of difficult weeks ahead but it will be all worth while when it is completed.” (When the sale is completed, not the two weeks).
I know this ‘statement‘ caused anger when the sale didn’t happen two week after it was posted. Hopefully you’ll agree that the actual words used make it less date specific.
In future I’ll keep messages like that to myself to avoid raising expectations unnecessarily.
Edit: Although I note the Daily Mail is mentioned/credited, this was not the impression given at the FF
"a difficult two weeks ahead" and "it'll all be worthwhile"
is materially different from
"a couple of difficult weeks ahead" and "it will be all worth while"?
Because they seem very, very similar to me.
It might've been what he said, but that weren't what was reported and we can only go by what was reported
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