Roland is the type of dick who has had smoke blown up his arse, by the people underneath him, for a long time and as such wouldn't take kindly to being told what is what and how to do things , so he's not gonna wanna give an inch in the wranglings of selling our club that he has fucked up
Oh for gods sake not that ‘losing money is good for tax’ again. Let’s hope any issues are part of last minute posturing and will be resolved.
I am looking at a deal atm, it’s been off for major stumbling blocks at least 4 times the last month but everyone knows we will find a solution, too much drive from both sides to complete.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
The suggestion it was “imminent” came from a completely different place to most of the other information and the person is both trustworthy and well placed to know. No argument now that it turned out to be premature, but I know the information was given to me in good faith and reported by me on the same basis. Other sources at that time were more hesitant but they were also less authoritative.
More recent information has come from within the process itself and from more than one place. Some of the detail coming from outside I was able to verify from within The Valley. As late as last Wednesday the process of working through the due diligence items appeared to be going well.
The secure data room was never denied by the club and obviously the story came from within it. It was very widely discussed. I subsequently talked to other parties involved in the sexual abuse issue and concluded from that it was more likely to relate to that investigation, although it remains a view I reached on a balance of probabilities. There’s no conclusive position on it and has been no outcome if there was an investigation. Whatever the truth, it didn’t cause or contribute to the Mail running the Aussie takeover story, which was the substantive development in April.
I don’t have and have never claimed to have a complete picture, but that is usually the situation with such stories. Is it really the case that people only want to know what the club wishes to tell them, when the club wants to tell them it? That seems to be the logic.
Of course not - at least it is not for me. It's just very frustrating when something is dangled in front of you and then snatched away. I guess it depends if one is in the rattle and squeeze all presents and try to guess what's in them, and risk coming to the wrong conclusion, or one is in the leave it until Christmas day and have no expectations at all, category.
It doesn't matter who chose the word imminent, or who advised that a deal could be done in a matter of days, but it was clearly ambitious. Even if this recent problem hadn't surfaced the estimate of time was inaccurate. It's now been nearly five weeks since the initial suggestion that it was close.
I wouldn't put it pass Duchâtelet to deliberately derail, or stall, the process to achieve nothing more than making those leaking the situation look silly/stupid. I think, sometimes, people forget that he is not just a rich man he is also used to getting what he wants and is, almost certainly, surrounded by sycophants and probably feels the desire to stick it to those 'Vinegar Pi$$ers'. As I suspect, Airman, that you are almost certainly on his $hit list it would come as no surprise, to me, if he were happy to see you, and your publication, made to look like you were making things up and/or getting things wrong. I don't have anywhere like the kind of money that Duchâtelet has but he may well be willing to 'spend' several million pounds in vendettas before he leaves.
None of this makes it a mistake to publish rumors (irrespective as to the credibility of the source - and I don't doubt you when you say that they are all credible) but it does raise questions when it doesn't happen and/or when the club deny it.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
The suggestion it was “imminent” came from a completely different place to most of the other information and the person is both trustworthy and well placed to know. No argument now that it turned out to be premature, but I know the information was given to me in good faith and reported by me on the same basis. Other sources at that time were more hesitant but they were also less authoritative.
More recent information has come from within the process itself and from more than one place. Some of the detail coming from outside I was able to verify from within The Valley. As late as last Wednesday the process of working through the due diligence items appeared to be going well.
The secure data room was never denied by the club and obviously the story came from within it. It was very widely discussed. I subsequently talked to other parties involved in the sexual abuse issue and concluded from that it was more likely to relate to that investigation, although it remains a view I reached on a balance of probabilities. There’s no conclusive position on it and has been no outcome if there was an investigation. Whatever the truth, it didn’t cause or contribute to the Mail running the Aussie takeover story, which was the substantive development in April.
I don’t have and have never claimed to have a complete picture, but that is usually the situation with such stories. Is it really the case that people only want to know what the club wishes to tell them, when the club wants to tell them it? That seems to be the logic.
Of course not - at least it is not for me. It's just very frustrating when something is dangled in front of you and then snatched away. I guess it depends if one is in the rattle and squeeze all presents and try to guess what's in them, and risk coming to the wrong conclusion, or one is in the leave it until Christmas day and have no expectations at all, category.
It doesn't matter who chose the word imminent, or who advised that a deal could be done in a matter of days, but it was clearly ambitious. Even if this recent problem hadn't surfaced the estimate of time was inaccurate. It's now been nearly five weeks since the initial suggestion that it was close.
I wouldn't put it pass Duchâtelet to deliberately derail, or stall, the process to achieve nothing more than making those leaking the situation look silly/stupid. I think, sometimes, people forget that he is not just a rich man he is also used to getting what he wants and is, almost certainly, surrounded by sycophants and probably feels the desire to stick it to those 'Vinegar Pi$$ers'. As I suspect, Airman, that you are almost certainly on his $hit list it would come as no surprise, to me, if he were happy to see you, and your publication, made to look like you were making things up and/or getting things wrong. I don't have anywhere like the kind of money that Duchâtelet has but he may well be willing to 'spend' several million pounds in vendettas before he leaves.
None of this makes it a mistake to publish rumors (irrespective as to the credibility of the source - and I don't doubt you when you say that they are all credible) but it does raise questions when it doesn't happen and/or when the club deny it.
I doubt if Duchatelet is willing to risk millions in further losses to score points against me, to be honest.
You will note the club has never denied this story, other than via a qualified response from Robinson. That isn’t because it has never been asked - it’s because it won’t deny it on the record, which makes any denial meaningless.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
He just needs to realise he’s gonna take a loss on this one
His plan has failed and he either stays out of stubborness and takes a £13m hit each year forever how long, or, he takes £20m or whatever is on the table now
Him staying is bad for him and bad for us. Why doesn’t he just accept that
I wouldn't 'point the finger' at anyone. Clearly something is/was very close and Airman was merely passing his trusted info on. He always pointed out that it wasn't yet a done deal.
These things can fall at the final hurdle and we're all big enough and ugly enough to know that, goodness knows we've been here before.
I'm grateful for AB's insights as, at least, it confirms RD's desire to sell. It will happen in the short term even if this particular one falls through.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
The suggestion it was “imminent” came from a completely different place to most of the other information and the person is both trustworthy and well placed to know. No argument now that it turned out to be premature, but I know the information was given to me in good faith and reported by me on the same basis. Other sources at that time were more hesitant but they were also less authoritative.
More recent information has come from within the process itself and from more than one place. Some of the detail coming from outside I was able to verify from within The Valley. As late as last Wednesday the process of working through the due diligence items appeared to be going well.
The secure data room was never denied by the club and obviously the story came from within it. It was very widely discussed. I subsequently talked to other parties involved in the sexual abuse issue and concluded from that it was more likely to relate to that investigation, although it remains a view I reached on a balance of probabilities. There’s no conclusive position on it and has been no outcome if there was an investigation. Whatever the truth, it didn’t cause or contribute to the Mail running the Aussie takeover story, which was the substantive development in April.
I don’t have and have never claimed to have a complete picture, but that is usually the situation with such stories. Is it really the case that people only want to know what the club wishes to tell them, when the club wants to tell them it? That seems to be the logic.
Of course not - at least it is not for me. It's just very frustrating when something is dangled in front of you and then snatched away. I guess it depends if one is in the rattle and squeeze all presents and try to guess what's in them, and risk coming to the wrong conclusion, or one is in the leave it until Christmas day and have no expectations at all, category.
It doesn't matter who chose the word imminent, or who advised that a deal could be done in a matter of days, but it was clearly ambitious. Even if this recent problem hadn't surfaced the estimate of time was inaccurate. It's now been nearly five weeks since the initial suggestion that it was close.
I wouldn't put it pass Duchâtelet to deliberately derail, or stall, the process to achieve nothing more than making those leaking the situation look silly/stupid. I think, sometimes, people forget that he is not just a rich man he is also used to getting what he wants and is, almost certainly, surrounded by sycophants and probably feels the desire to stick it to those 'Vinegar Pi$$ers'. As I suspect, Airman, that you are almost certainly on his $hit list it would come as no surprise, to me, if he were happy to see you, and your publication, made to look like you were making things up and/or getting things wrong. I don't have anywhere like the kind of money that Duchâtelet has but he may well be willing to 'spend' several million pounds in vendettas before he leaves.
None of this makes it a mistake to publish rumors (irrespective as to the credibility of the source - and I don't doubt you when you say that they are all credible) but it does raise questions when it doesn't happen and/or when the club deny it.
At the time the story broke the DD was ongoing. I cannot believe that RD would deliberately derail the sale and alienate a consortium that has spent a significant amount of money on DD, just to annoy a fanzine editor. That's crazy logic. My guess is it's all about the bottom line, whether that be for a clean break now or at sometime in the future when we get to the promised land. RD only does 2 things, money and dancing.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
The suggestion it was “imminent” came from a completely different place to most of the other information and the person is both trustworthy and well placed to know. No argument now that it turned out to be premature, but I know the information was given to me in good faith and reported by me on the same basis. Other sources at that time were more hesitant but they were also less authoritative.
More recent information has come from within the process itself and from more than one place. Some of the detail coming from outside I was able to verify from within The Valley. As late as last Wednesday the process of working through the due diligence items appeared to be going well.
The secure data room was never denied by the club and obviously the story came from within it. It was very widely discussed. I subsequently talked to other parties involved in the sexual abuse issue and concluded from that it was more likely to relate to that investigation, although it remains a view I reached on a balance of probabilities. There’s no conclusive position on it and has been no outcome if there was an investigation. Whatever the truth, it didn’t cause or contribute to the Mail running the Aussie takeover story, which was the substantive development in April.
I don’t have and have never claimed to have a complete picture, but that is usually the situation with such stories. Is it really the case that people only want to know what the club wishes to tell them, when the club wants to tell them it? That seems to be the logic.
Of course not - at least it is not for me. It's just very frustrating when something is dangled in front of you and then snatched away. I guess it depends if one is in the rattle and squeeze all presents and try to guess what's in them, and risk coming to the wrong conclusion, or one is in the leave it until Christmas day and have no expectations at all, category.
It doesn't matter who chose the word imminent, or who advised that a deal could be done in a matter of days, but it was clearly ambitious. Even if this recent problem hadn't surfaced the estimate of time was inaccurate. It's now been nearly five weeks since the initial suggestion that it was close.
I wouldn't put it pass Duchâtelet to deliberately derail, or stall, the process to achieve nothing more than making those leaking the situation look silly/stupid. I think, sometimes, people forget that he is not just a rich man he is also used to getting what he wants and is, almost certainly, surrounded by sycophants and probably feels the desire to stick it to those 'Vinegar Pi$$ers'. As I suspect, Airman, that you are almost certainly on his $hit list it would come as no surprise, to me, if he were happy to see you, and your publication, made to look like you were making things up and/or getting things wrong. I don't have anywhere like the kind of money that Duchâtelet has but he may well be willing to 'spend' several million pounds in vendettas before he leaves.
None of this makes it a mistake to publish rumors (irrespective as to the credibility of the source - and I don't doubt you when you say that they are all credible) but it does raise questions when it doesn't happen and/or when the club deny it.
At the time the story broke the DD was ongoing. I cannot believe that RD would deliberately derail the sale and alienate a consortium that has spent a significant amount of money on DD, just to annoy a fanzine editor. That's crazy logic. My guess is it's all about the bottom line, whether that be for a clean break now or at sometime in the future when we get to the promised land. RD only does 2 things, money and dancing.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
AB is only relaying what he has been told though. He's not the only one hearing this, but he is one of the only ones sharing it with a wider audience.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
The suggestion it was “imminent” came from a completely different place to most of the other information and the person is both trustworthy and well placed to know. No argument now that it turned out to be premature, but I know the information was given to me in good faith and reported by me on the same basis. Other sources at that time were more hesitant but they were also less authoritative.
More recent information has come from within the process itself and from more than one place. Some of the detail coming from outside I was able to verify from within The Valley. As late as last Wednesday the process of working through the due diligence items appeared to be going well.
The secure data room was never denied by the club and obviously the story came from within it. It was very widely discussed. I subsequently talked to other parties involved in the sexual abuse issue and concluded from that it was more likely to relate to that investigation, although it remains a view I reached on a balance of probabilities. There’s no conclusive position on it and has been no outcome if there was an investigation. Whatever the truth, it didn’t cause or contribute to the Mail running the Aussie takeover story, which was the substantive development in April.
I don’t have and have never claimed to have a complete picture, but that is usually the situation with such stories. Is it really the case that people only want to know what the club wishes to tell them, when the club wants to tell them it? That seems to be the logic.
Of course not - at least it is not for me. It's just very frustrating when something is dangled in front of you and then snatched away. I guess it depends if one is in the rattle and squeeze all presents and try to guess what's in them, and risk coming to the wrong conclusion, or one is in the leave it until Christmas day and have no expectations at all, category.
It doesn't matter who chose the word imminent, or who advised that a deal could be done in a matter of days, but it was clearly ambitious. Even if this recent problem hadn't surfaced the estimate of time was inaccurate. It's now been nearly five weeks since the initial suggestion that it was close.
I wouldn't put it pass Duchâtelet to deliberately derail, or stall, the process to achieve nothing more than making those leaking the situation look silly/stupid. I think, sometimes, people forget that he is not just a rich man he is also used to getting what he wants and is, almost certainly, surrounded by sycophants and probably feels the desire to stick it to those 'Vinegar Pi$$ers'. As I suspect, Airman, that you are almost certainly on his $hit list it would come as no surprise, to me, if he were happy to see you, and your publication, made to look like you were making things up and/or getting things wrong. I don't have anywhere like the kind of money that Duchâtelet has but he may well be willing to 'spend' several million pounds in vendettas before he leaves.
None of this makes it a mistake to publish rumors (irrespective as to the credibility of the source - and I don't doubt you when you say that they are all credible) but it does raise questions when it doesn't happen and/or when the club deny it.
At the time the story broke the DD was ongoing. I cannot believe that RD would deliberately derail the sale and alienate a consortium that has spent a significant amount of money on DD, just to annoy a fanzine editor. That's crazy logic. My guess is it's all about the bottom line, whether that be for a clean break now or at sometime in the future when we get to the promised land. RD only does 2 things, money and dancing.
Even though I don't disagree with you in principle I, personally, have seen nothing to make me think that anything Duchâtelet does is logical. Virtually every decision he has made since buying Charlton (and maybe buying us in the first place) has looked like a fool made it. Employing and keeping around the CEO is crazy logic. Some of the sales, purchases and contracts have been crazy logic. Most of the official PR has been crazy logic.
If he, in any way at all, cared about the money he would never had let the situation get to where it is now, and if he, genuinely, believed that he had some secret formula for success then that is the craziest logic of all.
I'm still not convinced that, in the end, his exit strategy will not be a scorched-earth policy, and that is what frightens me most of all.
I think if people want 100% cast in stone information, they are best off avoiding threads like this. The fact is until officially announced by the club everything is rumour. That's not to say that people are sharing inaccurate information, just that nobody is close enough to the deals to be completely sure of all the details.
Personally I like the fact there are people here who are willing to put themselves on the line and share every titbit that they feel they can. I don't judge them if something falls through and I certainly do not hang all my hopes on the information being shared, though it is hard not to feel a bit of excitement at times.
If we call people out or point the finger at those who are sharing, they may stop, which is not a situation that I'd like to see.
RD will be gone sooner or later but in the meantime we might get a few more people on board the 'Roland Out' train if they think that there is an alternative. These past few weeks have demonstrated to them that there are buyers out there, we just need to be Russell Slade and wait for it to happen, because it will.
A few people have heard the same things as AB - including that it was very close, to the number of issues that were highlighted by DD, to news today that it's off.
So a month ago it was imminent - maybe even by the end of the next week and now we have a 'major problem' and will possibly not happen at all.
I can't help wondering if the suggestion it was imminent was a little premature. I appreciate that due diligence can take a while and that Airman, and others, can only pass on what they hear but it does sound as though someone jumped the gun a little. Surely something this significant should have been anticipated. Even if it is Duchâtelet moving the goalposts I have to say that this is no surprise to me, and I've never had any dealings with him.
This isn't helped by the suggestion of a secure DD room at the club some months back, that the SMT denied, and turned out to be wrong.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but, as I say, it does feel like someone jumped the gun.
AB is only relaying what he has been told though. He's not the only one hearing this, but he is one of the only ones sharing it with a wider audience.
Who's said that it's off? The negotiations have hit a major problem by the sound of things, but no reason to assume at this stage that it's all over. Negotiations often hit problems, sometimes major, that's the way these things work. Negotiating to buy a club from RD was never going to be a quick and easy process, for all we know it could be the other party moving the goalposts as well
Damn, got carried away, started getting excited and planning my first game at The Valley in two years, fingers crossed the deal is still able to be recovered.
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piss off you wrinkly old scrote
When you have a multi million pound empire like Roland has a nice little company losing a few quid offsets a bit of tax.
His reason to sell us will not be based on him losing money.
I am looking at a deal atm, it’s been off for major stumbling blocks at least 4 times the last month but everyone knows we will find a solution, too much drive from both sides to complete.
I make 100 profit in one company and 100 loss in another in the UK and pay no tax. I am £0 up.
It doesn't matter who chose the word imminent, or who advised that a deal could be done in a matter of days, but it was clearly ambitious. Even if this recent problem hadn't surfaced the estimate of time was inaccurate. It's now been nearly five weeks since the initial suggestion that it was close.
I wouldn't put it pass Duchâtelet to deliberately derail, or stall, the process to achieve nothing more than making those leaking the situation look silly/stupid. I think, sometimes, people forget that he is not just a rich man he is also used to getting what he wants and is, almost certainly, surrounded by sycophants and probably feels the desire to stick it to those 'Vinegar Pi$$ers'. As I suspect, Airman, that you are almost certainly on his $hit list it would come as no surprise, to me, if he were happy to see you, and your publication, made to look like you were making things up and/or getting things wrong. I don't have anywhere like the kind of money that Duchâtelet has but he may well be willing to 'spend' several million pounds in vendettas before he leaves.
None of this makes it a mistake to publish rumors (irrespective as to the credibility of the source - and I don't doubt you when you say that they are all credible) but it does raise questions when it doesn't happen and/or when the club deny it.
You will note the club has never denied this story, other than via a qualified response from Robinson. That isn’t because it has never been asked - it’s because it won’t deny it on the record, which makes any denial meaningless.
His plan has failed and he either stays out of stubborness and takes a £13m hit each year forever how long, or, he takes £20m or whatever is on the table now
Him staying is bad for him and bad for us. Why doesn’t he just accept that
These things can fall at the final hurdle and we're all big enough and ugly enough to know that, goodness knows we've been here before.
I'm grateful for AB's insights as, at least, it confirms RD's desire to sell. It will happen in the short term even if this particular one falls through.
Does it look as if takeover will not go through now?
DuctDuckedDuck tape.If he, in any way at all, cared about the money he would never had let the situation get to where it is now, and if he, genuinely, believed that he had some secret formula for success then that is the craziest logic of all.
I'm still not convinced that, in the end, his exit strategy will not be a scorched-earth policy, and that is what frightens me most of all.
The silence was deafening to me and I gave up hope on this two weeks ago
When I stated we need to be more cautious and less excited as it certainly wasnt imminent
We have a willing seller. That’s good news.
It will happen at some point soon.
Personally I like the fact there are people here who are willing to put themselves on the line and share every titbit that they feel they can. I don't judge them if something falls through and I certainly do not hang all my hopes on the information being shared, though it is hard not to feel a bit of excitement at times.
If we call people out or point the finger at those who are sharing, they may stop, which is not a situation that I'd like to see.
RD will be gone sooner or later but in the meantime we might get a few more people on board the 'Roland Out' train if they think that there is an alternative. These past few weeks have demonstrated to them that there are buyers out there, we just need to be Russell Slade and wait for it to happen, because it will.