Wasn’t expecting to cause such a stir. A couple of you need to calm down a bit.
For info, Murphy sometimes calls me, and I haven’t called him for three weeks.
I sent him a Whats App last night, because of all the rumours flying around, asking if they’d pulled out. He said they haven’t.
And that’s it.
To be honest I’m pretty bored with all the transfer talk, and I don’t even have a preference as to who buys the club. If the Aussies don’t have funding to buy the club and run it properly for five years I’d rather someone else did. But as Henry said, we don’t really know the facts at the current time.
We’ve heard good and bad things about Dalman, but he has genuine relevant experience in high level football, and clearly isn’t another spiv - but he is what you’d call a football man. Wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he bought the club.
Wasn’t expecting to cause such a stir. A couple of you need to calm down a bit.
For info, Murphy sometimes calls me, and I haven’t called him for three weeks.
I sent him a Whats App last night, because of all the rumours flying around, asking if they’d pulled out. He said they haven’t.
And that’s it.
To be honest I’m pretty bored with all the transfer talk, and I don’t even have a preference as to who buys the club. If the Aussies don’t have funding to buy the club and run it properly for five years I’d rather someone else did. But as Henry said, we don’t really know the facts at the current time.
We’ve heard good and bad things about Dalman, but he has genuine relevant experience in high level football, and clearly isn’t another spiv - but he is what you’d call a football man. Wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he bought the club.
Appreciate you posting what you hear James.
What negative things have we heard about Dalman btw? For me he looks a sound choice.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Be honest, you don’t have any evidence to make this claim, do you?
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
If I want something I buy it. If I can't afford it I don't buy it. The only thing the Aussies have bought is two red and white scarves.
Wasn’t expecting to cause such a stir. A couple of you need to calm down a bit.
For info, Murphy sometimes calls me, and I haven’t called him for three weeks.
I sent him a Whats App last night, because of all the rumours flying around, asking if they’d pulled out. He said they haven’t.
And that’s it.
To be honest I’m pretty bored with all the transfer talk, and I don’t even have a preference as to who buys the club. If the Aussies don’t have funding to buy the club and run it properly for five years I’d rather someone else did. But as Henry said, we don’t really know the facts at the current time.
We’ve heard good and bad things about Dalman, but he has genuine relevant experience in high level football, and clearly isn’t another spiv - but he is what you’d call a football man. Wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he bought the club.
Appreciate you posting what you hear James.
What negative things have we heard about Dalman btw? For me he looks a sound choice.
Well I think we learnt that his full name is an anagram for something disturbing ...hem mental mad . Something like that.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Be honest, you don’t have any evidence to make this claim, do you?
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
If I want something I buy it. If I can't afford it I don't buy it. The only thing the Aussies have bought is two red and white scarves.
Wasn’t expecting to cause such a stir. A couple of you need to calm down a bit.
For info, Murphy sometimes calls me, and I haven’t called him for three weeks.
I sent him a Whats App last night, because of all the rumours flying around, asking if they’d pulled out. He said they haven’t.
And that’s it.
To be honest I’m pretty bored with all the transfer talk, and I don’t even have a preference as to who buys the club. If the Aussies don’t have funding to buy the club and run it properly for five years I’d rather someone else did. But as Henry said, we don’t really know the facts at the current time.
We’ve heard good and bad things about Dalman, but he has genuine relevant experience in high level football, and clearly isn’t another spiv - but he is what you’d call a football man. Wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he bought the club.
Appreciate you posting what you hear James.
What negative things have we heard about Dalman btw? For me he looks a sound choice.
For me too. But I read at least two posts on here from members saying that they knew people who used to work with him, who said he’s ‘not very nice’. Of course they are purely subjective opinions, and anyway, you don’t need to be ‘a nice person’ to run a football club successfully, from what I hear.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Probably, but we won’t actually know until either they buy the club, or pull out. The rest is speculation and rumour.
No disrespect meant to you James as you are only passing on what you are told but from the snippets of info on here over the years it sounds like their model would be very risky ie a consortium of random money who will either make every decision by committee or just be in it to make a return....which is not easily achievable.
Concern would be that when the penny dropped some of the financers would lose interest and pull their cash/ block any further investment like the conclusion of the Kevin Cash era.
Muir in his on right has the wealth to buy and fund outright but as a sensible businessman will want to spread that risk amongst others....from my outside observation it appears a consortium of random investors (?) rather than a group of wealthy people with a keen shared football vision for our club that may have initially existed at the outset.
Could be completely wrong and am only going on what I've learned on here but the model I understand from that gives me the concerns about it's viability and longevity and the outcome if one of many recruited investors lose interest/ realise it isn't the return they were sold (happened to Cash who then dropped us like a hot potato ).
Yes, good post, and I share your concerns, as I don’t fully understand the business model of what seem to be rolling investment. Way outside my area of expertise. I ran a Ltd company for ten years (a record label), and there were only two investors, me and my best mate. Kept it nice and simple.
I take a lot of the Aussie bashing as just a dig at @JamesSeed. I call that cyber bullying and certain posters should take a look at themselves. What’s hard to believe about the Aussies holding firm at their price until Roland gives in? He is losing circa £10m per year so it makes sense. People questioning the lack of financial clout but as others have pointed out, Muir alone is a very wealthy man, more so possibly than Mehmet Dalman, who himself would be looking at outside investment from his Middle Eastern contacts. We should all be a little fearful after the Kevin Cash experience but I don’t see a lot of difference financially between the two parties nor the risk of the financial plug being pulled somewhere down the line. all that said I would probably wish for Dalman to succeed as he is a football man who wishes to own his own club as opposed to the Aussies plans which appear a little more gimmicky but then both would be aiming to get us back into the big time so as fans we can’t really lose. Just need to be rid of the cancer that they is currently killing us
Wasn’t expecting to cause such a stir. A couple of you need to calm down a bit.
For info, Murphy sometimes calls me, and I haven’t called him for three weeks.
I sent him a Whats App last night, because of all the rumours flying around, asking if they’d pulled out. He said they haven’t.
And that’s it.
To be honest I’m pretty bored with all the transfer talk, and I don’t even have a preference as to who buys the club. If the Aussies don’t have funding to buy the club and run it properly for five years I’d rather someone else did. But as Henry said, we don’t really know the facts at the current time.
We’ve heard good and bad things about Dalman, but he has genuine relevant experience in high level football, and clearly isn’t another spiv - but he is what you’d call a football man. Wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he bought the club.
Appreciate you posting what you hear James.
What negative things have we heard about Dalman btw? For me he looks a sound choice.
For me too. But I read at least two posts on here from members saying that they knew people who used to work with him, who said he’s ‘not very nice’. Of course they are purely subjective opinions, and anyway, you don’t need to be ‘a nice person’ to run a football club successfully, from what I hear.
Luckily for us, of course, we are presently owned by a nice person.
I can't remember if it was Katrien Miere ...... or perhaps Roland himself saying that he was a nice person.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
If all the rumours were true we’d have probably been taken over about 50 times by now. The Aussies would have completed most of them.
Do you really still believe after 2 years Aussies are still interested
Whether you want the Aussies or not all the evidence, from NLA, from LDT, from JS, suggests strongly they are still interested.
You mean the guy who turns up to every fans forum meeting and tells the attendees there are at least 5 interested parties?
Wouldn't believe a word he says. However if JS says the Aussies are still in, then i 100% believe him.
Whatever the pros or cons the aussies are still in and very much in , I think there’s probably been movement on the deal by Dalman and the aussies right now I wouldn’t bet on who will do the deal first as I genuinely think it’s neck and neck as to who concludes first
I have only recently posted about the Australians as an ITK person since a family member has met one of the alleged consortium whilst on holiday. They are still in.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Be honest, you don’t have any evidence to make this claim, do you?
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
That's the point though...what sensible business people would buy a football club these days....none in terms of a pure business decision.
Most clubs are loss making season to season
Ways to make money owning clubs in modern football appear to be limited to:
1) buy one of the few profit generating (I imagine) super clubs like Barcelona, Madrid etc
2) Invest own money or leverage the purchase and future investment against your own private company charging interest gambling at seeing a return by getting to the top flight and cashing in by someone willing to gamble on taking it to the next level ie champion's league ...very low odds and an increasingly competitive league extend these odds
3) asset stripping/ land sale - unlikely and commercial property investment would yield a greater return without anywhere near the same amount of headaches as doing it at a living breathing football clubs.
So if football clubs aren't bought on business decisions that leaves you with owners whose rationale for buying and funding is:
1) passion for that particular club...ie local boy done well...rare as hens teeth in England now the level of wealth required
2) ego trippers - the Tan types
3) genuine decent types like Leicester's late owner who will invest in the concept and the town and its people....even rarer than point 1
4) lunatics who see a new rule like FFP to be exploited and spend years stubbornly trying to instil a failed experiment and protracted sale (mentioning no names)
5) consortia of random investors sold on a return that will soon become apparent doesn't exist a la Kevin Cash
6) Man city types who have so much perpetual wealth they can take tens of millions of losses for seasons on end until an equilibrium is reached and the balance tilts so they can then buy the trophies in perpetuity- rare again
Any sensible business person would not buy a club as a sensible investment alone.
And whether their motivations and objectives are aligned with the supporters and what is good for the long and short term future of that club appears to be incidental on an increasing basis across the English game.
The Aussies have a plan to help develop Australian players so perhaps you could consider adding that sort of criteria to your list.
I think you also ignore that very few make decisions based solely on economic sense. We buy new cars, go on nice holidays, give money to charities etc etc.
The very rich buy massive yachts, private planes, fleets of expensive cars, houses all over the world that are staffed and maintained at huge losses. You have to make sure your rivals know how rich you are and keep upping the stakes.
Really successful entrepreneurs enjoy the game of making money. Owning a football club is also a good game. The best at the game win big, and also enjoy the whole ownership thing.
I have only recently posted about the Australians as an ITK person since a family member has met one of the alleged consortium whilst on holiday. They are still in.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Be honest, you don’t have any evidence to make this claim, do you?
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
If I want something I buy it. If I can't afford it I don't buy it. The only thing the Aussies have bought is two red and white scarves.
The rest is just noise.
That explains why you never get your round in then.
I thought it was because you're a tight bastard.
As well as afford and can't afford there is third option. Buy when the price is right.
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For info, Murphy sometimes calls me, and I haven’t called him for three weeks.
I sent him a Whats App last night, because of all the rumours flying around, asking if they’d pulled out. He said they haven’t.
And that’s it.
To be honest I’m pretty bored with all the transfer talk, and I don’t even have a preference as to who buys the club. If the Aussies don’t have funding to buy the club and run it properly for five years I’d rather someone else did. But as Henry said, we don’t really know the facts at the current time.
We’ve heard good and bad things about Dalman, but he has genuine relevant experience in high level football, and clearly isn’t another spiv - but he is what you’d call a football man. Wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he bought the club.
The Aussie project is Murphy's baby.
What negative things have we heard about Dalman btw? For me he looks a sound choice.
The rest is just noise.
Five days until the end of the month.
But I read at least two posts on here from members saying that they knew people who used to work with him, who said he’s ‘not very nice’.
Of course they are purely subjective opinions, and anyway, you don’t need to be ‘a nice person’ to run a football club successfully, from what I hear.
Mehmet Dalman, who himself would be looking at outside investment from his Middle Eastern contacts. We should all be a little fearful after the Kevin Cash experience but I don’t see a lot of difference financially between the two parties nor the risk of the financial plug being pulled somewhere down the line.
all that said I would probably wish for Dalman to succeed as he is a football man who wishes to own his own club as opposed to the Aussies plans which appear a little more gimmicky but then both would be aiming to get us back into the big time so as fans we can’t really lose.
Just need to be rid of the cancer that they is currently killing us
I can't remember if it was Katrien Miere ...... or perhaps Roland himself saying that he was a nice person.
Wouldn't believe a word he says. However if JS says the Aussies are still in, then i 100% believe him.
I think you also ignore that very few make decisions based solely on economic sense. We buy new cars, go on nice holidays, give money to charities etc etc.
The very rich buy massive yachts, private planes, fleets of expensive cars, houses all over the world that are staffed and maintained at huge losses. You have to make sure your rivals know how rich you are and keep upping the stakes.
Really successful entrepreneurs enjoy the game of making money. Owning a football club is also a good game. The best at the game win big, and also enjoy the whole ownership thing.
I thought it was because you're a tight bastard.
As well as afford and can't afford there is third option. Buy when the price is right.