The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
After that the only theory I can think of is that he’s planning on reducing operating costs so much that he makes a small profit each financial year to tick things over until someone as mad as him comes along and is willing to pay so much that he can can recoup his massive losses.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but technically we are not for sale.
The only crumb I can take is that when he spouts 'the sale is close' we all disbelieve him as an idiot, when he says 'its not close' we take it as completely sane gospel.
I dont think even he knows what he is going to say each day he wakes, one day it will be yes, I will sell.
Hence he has convinced himself that rather than his ridiculous asking price it is the running costs that are putting off all the walk away buyers.
So in his mind breaking even increases the likelihood of a sale even if we are relegated. Remember, in his sick mind, the football doesn't matter, it the dancing.
When will we realise, that all Duchatelet has done these past few years is waltz around us fans, everyday he puts a new twist in the takeover tale, that's why were all becoming headbangers.
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
The same arguments were made in the 1980s. Nothing can be done; no one is going to pay to resurrect The Valley; we’ve been protesting for five years and we’re still not back there, etc, etc. Then we won.
This is a different problem but we are a long way from where we were four years ago. Duchatelet is publicly exposed and ridiculed. We have a credible football management set-up. He has met and engaged with a whole series of buyers and spent large sums on professional fees.
The argument that nothing has been achieved because everything hasn’t yet been achieved doesn’t really stand up, any more than it did at Selhurst Park.
It's an entirely different scenario and cannot be compared to our move away from the Valley.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
Occasionally I have thought about how dramatic a gesture I could create. I have fantasized that when I get my terminal cancer diagnosis, then I should invade the pitch during a game in petrol soaked clothing and burn myself to death in the centre circle. At the moment this remains a fantasy, but as a futile gesture towards Roland it would go down in history and be remembered. Better that way than fading away in a hospice.
I’m liking this thought process Seth , if I get it at the same time we can do a double burn up you can do it on the pitch and I’ll be cuddling Roland in a strong bear hug !
Of course it can. I was in the camp that nothing could be done at the time and it turned out it could. The fact Roland is acting out of spite is a far bigger leap that some make rather than the more believable, that he is just a bit mad! It certainly isn't a point of fact that is beyond any argument.
Imagine going to buy a Ford and the geezer selling it announces on national radio that it’s running costs are far too high and he can’t wait to get rid of it and stop owning cars altogether.
Imagine going to buy a Ford and the geezer selling it announces on national radio that it’s running costs are far too high and he can’t wait to get rid of it and stop owning cars altogether.
And on top of all that, the price has gone up when you get there!
After that the only theory I can think of is that he’s planning on reducing operating costs so much that he makes a small profit each financial year to tick things over until someone as mad as him comes along and is willing to pay so much that he can can recoup his massive losses.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but technically we are not for sale.
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
The same arguments were made in the 1980s. Nothing can be done; no one is going to pay to resurrect The Valley; we’ve been protesting for five years and we’re still not back there, etc, etc. Then we won.
This is a different problem but we are a long way from where we were four years ago. Duchatelet is publicly exposed and ridiculed. We have a credible football management set-up. He has met and engaged with a whole series of buyers and spent large sums on professional fees.
The argument that nothing has been achieved because everything hasn’t yet been achieved doesn’t really stand up, any more than it did at Selhurst Park.
It's an entirely different scenario and cannot be compared to our move away from the Valley.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
The financial cost of protests are a trivial issue compared to the operating losses, which are principally a function of players' wages. Duchatalet can add what he likes to his price, but as no one will ever pay it that won't help him.
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
The same arguments were made in the 1980s. Nothing can be done; no one is going to pay to resurrect The Valley; we’ve been protesting for five years and we’re still not back there, etc, etc. Then we won.
This is a different problem but we are a long way from where we were four years ago. Duchatelet is publicly exposed and ridiculed. We have a credible football management set-up. He has met and engaged with a whole series of buyers and spent large sums on professional fees.
The argument that nothing has been achieved because everything hasn’t yet been achieved doesn’t really stand up, any more than it did at Selhurst Park.
It's an entirely different scenario and cannot be compared to our move away from the Valley.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
The financial cost of protests are a trivial issue compared to the operating losses, which are principally a function of players' wages. Duchatalet can add what he likes to his price, but as no one will ever pay it that won't help him.
But it doesn't help us either? It continues to delay our sale...
we,you,i ,CAST etc etc can NOT hurt Rolands pocket he has €800 million in his bin. Once the penny drops that he is not acting in anyway "business like" re CAFC or football in general then the protest cant hurt him financially.
It was his EGO that told him to form his own political party which bombed. It was his EGO that told him by having a portfolio of clubs he could swop players etc etc it bombed. It was his EGO that told him he didnt need to undertake a proper DD when he brought us.
Target his EGO. Damage his ego,he goes.
EGO not POCKET
Choice is do nothing or something and doing nothing is just that NOTHING
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
The same arguments were made in the 1980s. Nothing can be done; no one is going to pay to resurrect The Valley; we’ve been protesting for five years and we’re still not back there, etc, etc. Then we won.
This is a different problem but we are a long way from where we were four years ago. Duchatelet is publicly exposed and ridiculed. We have a credible football management set-up. He has met and engaged with a whole series of buyers and spent large sums on professional fees.
The argument that nothing has been achieved because everything hasn’t yet been achieved doesn’t really stand up, any more than it did at Selhurst Park.
It's an entirely different scenario and cannot be compared to our move away from the Valley.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
The financial cost of protests are a trivial issue compared to the operating losses, which are principally a function of players' wages. Duchatalet can add what he likes to his price, but as no one will ever pay it that won't help him.
But it doesn't help us either? It continues to delay our sale...
What is “it”, exactly? What are these protests that have cost the club money, unless you are talking about the right of supporters to keep their own money in their own pockets?
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
The same arguments were made in the 1980s. Nothing can be done; no one is going to pay to resurrect The Valley; we’ve been protesting for five years and we’re still not back there, etc, etc. Then we won.
This is a different problem but we are a long way from where we were four years ago. Duchatelet is publicly exposed and ridiculed. We have a credible football management set-up. He has met and engaged with a whole series of buyers and spent large sums on professional fees.
The argument that nothing has been achieved because everything hasn’t yet been achieved doesn’t really stand up, any more than it did at Selhurst Park.
It's an entirely different scenario and cannot be compared to our move away from the Valley.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
The financial cost of protests are a trivial issue compared to the operating losses, which are principally a function of players' wages. Duchatalet can add what he likes to his price, but as no one will ever pay it that won't help him.
But it doesn't help us either? It continues to delay our sale...
What is “it”, exactly?
It's alive, afraid, a lie, a sin It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win It's dark, it's moist, it's a bitter pain It's sad it happened and it's a shame
You want it all but you can't have it It's in your face but you can't grab it What is it? It's it What is it?...
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Its over.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but technically we are not for sale.
I dont think even he knows what he is going to say each day he wakes, one day it will be yes, I will sell.
He'll never sell
I laughed when he said he did proper Due Diligence.
Ah nothing much, Simon Jordan was arguing a case for us against an old Belgian man who’s trying to destroy us.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
Imagine going to buy a Ford and the geezer selling it announces on national radio that it’s running costs are far too high and he can’t wait to get rid of it and stop owning cars altogether.
We never were for sale.
Once the penny drops that he is not acting in anyway "business like" re CAFC or football in general then the protest cant hurt him financially.
It was his EGO that told him to form his own political party which bombed.
It was his EGO that told him by having a portfolio of clubs he could swop players etc etc it bombed.
It was his EGO that told him he didnt need to undertake a proper DD when he brought us.
Target his EGO. Damage his ego,he goes.
EGO not POCKET
Choice is do nothing or something and doing nothing is just that NOTHING
It's alive, afraid, a lie, a sin
It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win
It's dark, it's moist, it's a bitter pain
It's sad it happened and it's a shame
You want it all but you can't have it
It's in your face but you can't grab it
What is it?
It's it
What is it?...
(Patton, Gould, Martin, Bottum, Bordin)