The club is very unlikely to lose £10m in 2019/20 - In fact I’ll hazard a guess that it will make a profit, possibly an operating profit.
And this is one of the reasons he's not in hurry to sell. David white mentioned 6 months ago that RD didn't want promotion because of the extra costs of player salaries & transfer fees. But what none of us thought was that he just wouldnt pay any & make LB cobble a squad together like he did last season. It's probably costing RD LESS this season to run the squad than last, having got a couple of high earners of the payroll as well as having less playing staff and paying any incoming players less than in League 1. You have to admit RD is a genius.
I did, I said he could leave the budget at a similar level and use the extra income to cover the losses. I’m surprised anyone thought he would start paying anything close to Championship wages and fees.
He’s spent over £60m on the club and we’re in a similar position to when he bought the club - in the Championship with a small budget, a squad in need of strengthening, around 10k season ticket holders and a former player as manager who’s backed by the fans.
The club is very unlikely to lose £10m in 2019/20 - In fact I’ll hazard a guess that it will make a profit, possibly an operating profit.
And this is one of the reasons he's not in hurry to sell. David white mentioned 6 months ago that RD didn't want promotion because of the extra costs of player salaries & transfer fees. But what none of us thought was that he just wouldnt pay any & make LB cobble a squad together like he did last season. It's probably costing RD LESS this season to run the squad than last, having got a couple of high earners of the payroll as well as having less playing staff and paying any incoming players less than in League 1. You have to admit RD is a genius.
Personally I always thought he would be better off in the Championship because he wouldn’t spend all the extra income, but I did think he would spend some. The problem is, as ever, he uses wishful thinking, aka self-delusion, to avoid facing up to the likely consequences of his actions.
Clubs with Charlton’s current playing budget in the Championship go down (every time, within two years) - and when they do their value drops because they are more distant from the PL honeypot and they lose the extra central income, opening up the operating loss again.
Duchatelet is on a rinse and repeat cycle and he and we have to hope that Bowyer call stall it. It will be very difficult.
So you are saying we are a yo-yo club. Only not the yo-yo most people assume, but a yo-yo between the lower leagues! One thing we haven't thought about too much, but what was very apparent before our play off victory was how if we didn't win at Wembley, we would have stood a decent chance of relegation to league two this season.
@Chizz excellent posts have saved me a lot of bother, well said, sir.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
The club is very unlikely to lose £10m in 2019/20 - In fact I’ll hazard a guess that it will make a profit, possibly an operating profit.
And this is one of the reasons he's not in hurry to sell. David white mentioned 6 months ago that RD didn't want promotion because of the extra costs of player salaries & transfer fees. But what none of us thought was that he just wouldnt pay any & make LB cobble a squad together like he did last season. It's probably costing RD LESS this season to run the squad than last, having got a couple of high earners of the payroll as well as having less playing staff and paying any incoming players less than in League 1. You have to admit RD is a genius.
Personally I always thought he would be better off in the Championship because he wouldn’t spend all the extra income, but I did think he would spend some. The problem is, as ever, he uses wishful thinking, aka self-delusion, to avoid facing up to the likely consequences of his actions.
Clubs with Charlton’s current playing budget in the Championship go down (every time, within two years) - and when they do their value drops because they are more distant from the PL honeypot and they lose the extra central income, opening up the operating loss again.
Duchatelet is on a rinse and repeat cycle and he and we have to hope that Bowyer call stall it. It will be very difficult.
So you are saying we are a yo-yo club. Only not the yo-yo most people assume, but a yo-yo between the lower leagues! One thing we haven't thought about too much, but what was very apparent before our play off victory was how if we didn't win at Wembley, we would have stood a decent chance of relegation to league two this season.
Personally I don't want a consortium at the club Aussies or not, consortiums are pulled together because one person outright can't afford to do the deal themself or isn't willing to even if they do have the money.
The other problem with consortiums as is being reported are investors who then want out of the consortium what happens then? Would they retain all funds from the sale of a player to cover there costs like RD is doing? And also how would decisions be carried out if nobody had outright control? Sometimes you can have too many decision makers.
I so wanted to LOL James Seed's earlier post when he said another investor has walked away but I didn't out of respect because he only passed on what he was told even if I did laugh when reading his post. It just confirmed that a consortium is not for me Aussies or not, would rather an individual like Dalman buying us.
I don't think Dalman would be the sole owner either.
What we were worried about if we didn’t go up is we would lose most of our best players.....even more worrying in a higher division. I’m prepared to wait til window shuts before a final judgement but it’s looking like rd, lieven and Hans r going to have a great time in his cinema room chuckling at this thread
The club is very unlikely to lose £10m in 2019/20 - In fact I’ll hazard a guess that it will make a profit, possibly an operating profit.
And this is one of the reasons he's not in hurry to sell. David white mentioned 6 months ago that RD didn't want promotion because of the extra costs of player salaries & transfer fees. But what none of us thought was that he just wouldnt pay any & make LB cobble a squad together like he did last season. It's probably costing RD LESS this season to run the squad than last, having got a couple of high earners of the payroll as well as having less playing staff and paying any incoming players less than in League 1. You have to admit RD is a genius.
Personally I always thought he would be better off in the Championship because he wouldn’t spend all the extra income, but I did think he would spend some. The problem is, as ever, he uses wishful thinking, aka self-delusion, to avoid facing up to the likely consequences of his actions.
Clubs with Charlton’s current playing budget in the Championship go down (every time, within two years) - and when they do their value drops because they are more distant from the PL honeypot and they lose the extra central income, opening up the operating loss again.
Duchatelet is on a rinse and repeat cycle and he and we have to hope that Bowyer call stall it. It will be very difficult.
So you are saying we are a yo-yo club. Only not the yo-yo most people assume, but a yo-yo between the lower leagues! One thing we haven't thought about too much, but what was very apparent before our play off victory was how if we didn't win at Wembley, we would have stood a decent chance of relegation to league two this season.
I’m saying that Duchatelet is prioritising not putting any money in this season over the team’s chances of staying up - and choosing to believe he can have both.
This is all so frustrating because it is just a repeat of everything that has happened over the last 3 years.
If the club isn't taken over before the transfer window closes, it is unlikely that anyone will consider buying until the transfer window opens again in January. Any new owner will be unable to make any worthwhile changes until January and then there is the temptation to wait 'to see where we are at the end of the season'. A continuous merry go round that never stops.
The level of delusion on this thread is some times laughable and actually some times very worrying. Some normally sane and sensible people become almost irrational, no not almost, actually irrational.
The protests at home shouldn't have stopped for the simple reason nothing changed, when they start again we will look like spoilt brats, because they will start again when we are bottom of the championship.
Roland won't sell for less than the price he wants. In my OPINION he has agreed that price with at least one party, if not more. If that price is more than other people will agree to what's the point of him negotiating? If someone has agreed that price, no matter how inflated we think it is, he is entitled to either wait for them to pay it or tell him to stick it.
@AFKABartram is right, nothing we can do now will make him reduce the price, if he thinks that there is that offer on the table. It might make you feel better, but it won't actually achieve anything other than a rant on the official site.
Also if you think he is spending circa ten million a year just to piss you off, I suggest you go and seek help. You are either a narcissist or suffer from paranoia. If he is paying millions a year just to screw with @Airman Brown, the only fan I have ever known him name, I'll happily do it for "2%" if it means the twat sells the club.
The irony is he isn't killing the club but keeping it in a finance induced coma, giving it the bear minimum of life support to keep it breathing.
This is the first non distressed sale of our club in the last 25 years, I would happily wait another 6 months on the condition he to sells it to someone that can actually provide the vision and finance to improve things, not a short term "fix" like the spivs.
There is no reason for him not to want to sell, the "network" has gone, KM has gone. Owning Charlton Athletic Football Club has no benifit now for old Roland, it's a pure liability. But given the choice I would rather wait than gift the club to a Ken Anderson, Stuart Day, Tony Jimenez or Bill Archer.
This part is crazy talk. He absolutely is killing the club, in the most toxic, slow way possible. Sure, we're not subject to winding up orders and we're not struggling to keep the lights on, he's only refusing to pay bonuses not salaries, but what he's killing is the spirit of the club, and that's so much harder to get back. I'm glad that we're not on the cusp of receivership either (though if we were we would likely have been sold by now) but what Roland is doing is forcing the goodwill out of the club, bombing out the good people who got us to where we were, wasting the potential we had in the academy by treating our young players like numbers of a balance sheet instead of local talents we can be proud to see develop at The Valley, and making Charlton unattractive to the next generation. If this keeps going on much longer how will we ever get those fans back that we lost? How will we inspire new fans to want to come to see Charlton and fall in love with the stadium and the community feel if he's done his best to break down the team and burn out the people who make the club what it is? We can always get new players in later and I honestly don't care what league we're in but the identity of Charlton gets harder to see every year that Roland continues his ownership. He is salting the earth and the longer his ownership goes on the less like Charlton it will feel in the future with him there or not.
@Chizz excellent posts have saved me a lot of bother, well said, sir.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
Wasn't it due to not being able to own two clubs in the same decision?
It certainly wasn't due to the actions of the ultras, as that was a long time before the sale.
1948, The NHS is formed. In other news Charlton do not reach The FA Cup Final.
But for the first five months of 1948 we were the current FA Cup holders.....so not all bad as I was born in the early part of that year and can rightfully claim that we were FA Cup holders during my lifetime. YEAH!!!!!!
@Chizz excellent posts have saved me a lot of bother, well said, sir.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
Firstly, I don’t know why you would find my comment extraordinarily depressing. It’s just merely my own personal opinion, which none of us know is right or wrong, and not a fact.
As for your question, I don’t know. No one other than Roland would know. My best guess is that with STVV promoted there was an issue with him having categorised ownership of two clubs in the same division. Given there has since been rumours it was not a straight forward sale, I’m 99% certain it would have been down to either that regulatory insistence or an opportunity that suited Roland best. I’m 100% convinced it was not down to a group of Standard fans door-stopping him at the stadium over two years prior.
The only way I can see a successful sale of Charlton is if one of those two criterias are met above. There won’t be a regulatory need so we are reliant on an opportunity that suits Roland best, and that will be him ensuring he gets the deal he wants out of this, regardless of the ongoing costs / losses that most of us sane people would factor in. No amount of periphery noise is going to change his demands, if that was the case it would have happened by now, imo.
If @Airman Brown is right, which I’m sure he is, and the club might actually make a profit while on its way to probable relegation, wouldn’t it make sense for RD to take a tiny hit and invest a couple of million in order to increase the chances of Championship survival? Only an utter fool wouldn’t follow that path.
Or perhaps his plan is to sell just hours before the season starts?
At what stage is it considered acceptable to consider whether it might be acceptable to consider to start supporting another club, maybe one that is in the Premier League?
@Chizz excellent posts have saved me a lot of bother, well said, sir.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
Firstly, I don’t know why you would find my comment extraordinarily depressing. It’s just merely my own personal opinion, which none of us know is right or wrong, and not a fact.
As for your question, I don’t know. No one other than Roland would know. My best guess is that with STVV promoted there was an issue with him having categorised ownership of two clubs in the same division. Given there has since been rumours it was not a straight forward sale, I’m 99% certain it would have been down to either that regulatory insistence or an opportunity that suited Roland best. I’m 100% convinced it was not down to a group of Standard fans door-stopping him at the stadium over two years prior.
The only way I can see a successful sale of Charlton is if one of those two criterias are met above. There won’t be a regulatory need so we are reliant on an opportunity that suits Roland best, and that will be him ensuring he gets the deal he wants out of this, regardless of the ongoing costs / losses that most of us sane people would factor in. No amount of periphery noise is going to change his demands, if that was the case it would have happened by now, imo.
As said, purely my view and not a fact
I think it’s the disappointing stance you seem to be taking against those of us who are prepared to be more pro active (whether it achieves anything or not is, in a sense, irrelevant) .....I always thought you were 100% behind us, it would seem that never was (or least ways no longer is), the case?
Hence he has convinced himself that rather than his ridiculous asking price it is the running costs that are putting off all the walk away buyers.
So in his mind breaking even increases the likelihood of a sale even if we are relegated. Remember, in his sick mind, the football doesn't matter, it the dancing.
Hence he has convinced himself that rather than his ridiculous asking price it is the running costs that are putting off all the walk away buyers.
So in his mind breaking even increases the likelihood of a sale even if we are relegated. Remember, in his sick mind, the football doesn't matter, it the dancing.
Agree with the first part but relegation brings back the inevitably of significant running costs. I don’t understand how Duchatelet can’t understand that fact. He’s not a stupid man.
@Chizz excellent posts have saved me a lot of bother, well said, sir.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
Firstly, I don’t know why you would find my comment extraordinarily depressing. It’s just merely my own personal opinion, which none of us know is right or wrong, and not a fact.
As for your question, I don’t know. No one other than Roland would know. My best guess is that with STVV promoted there was an issue with him having categorised ownership of two clubs in the same division. Given there has since been rumours it was not a straight forward sale, I’m 99% certain it would have been down to either that regulatory insistence or an opportunity that suited Roland best. I’m 100% convinced it was not down to a group of Standard fans door-stopping him at the stadium over two years prior.
The only way I can see a successful sale of Charlton is if one of those two criterias are met above. There won’t be a regulatory need so we are reliant on an opportunity that suits Roland best, and that will be him ensuring he gets the deal he wants out of this, regardless of the ongoing costs / losses that most of us sane people would factor in. No amount of periphery noise is going to change his demands, if that was the case it would have happened by now, imo.
As said, purely my view and not a fact
I think it’s the disappointing stance you seem to be taking against those of us who are prepared to be more pro active (whether it achieves anything or not is, in a sense, irrelevant) .....I always thought you were 100% behind us, it would seem that never was (or least ways no longer is), the case?
Then you are not really
reading what I have wrote and instead chosen to take it personally or as a
criticism for protesting. If you read back what I have wrote I don’t think
there is a single word there that could be interpreted as critical. You knock
yourself out with whatever you want to do, I can’t stand the bloke and think he
is a diabolical owner. I just don’t believe anything so far has been successful
in encouraging (let alone forcing) him to lower his demands and I don’t see
that changing in future.
As for the last sentence, I don’t
think trying to draw ‘us’ lines is particularly helpful and just likely to
create unnecessary divisions so in the grand scheme of things its irrelevant
what I or anybody else thinks in that sense.
The only way I see us getting Roland to sell up is if we go back to Belgium with Standard Liege levels of protesting. It’s the only thing that gets to him.
I have no idea why so many people genuinely believe this, I really don’t
Because it’s all we’ve got mate. We either do something or just sit here and watch it burn
I am convinced there is nothing that you, or anyone else in protest can do singularity or collectively to make him sell, escalate his route to sale or enforce / encourage him to lower his demands.
There are are plenty of things you can do that would generate publicity or potentially piss him off, which may make you or others feel better and that you are doing something, but again there is no evidence over the last five years here, in Belgium, Spain, Germany or Hungary that it will have any influence in leading to him shaking hands with another party and putting a signature on the papers.
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
I've noticed for some time this @AFKABartram
character trolling and undermining the protests at every turn.
Wouldn't surprise me if he is a Duchatelet plant and the whole forum was set up in early to mid 2000s to facilitate this eventuality.
I mean has anyone even met him?
Real Charlton fans only on here please.
Time for a ban methinks and an end to all the naysaying.
Sadly will only be a matter of time before he emerges somewhere else on the web peddling his bile and pro Duchatelet agenda under the moniker of the AFKA AFKA Bartram. :-(
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There is no F in Takeover and there is no F in Hope
I just have a feeling that the takeover will occur when we are not expecting it.
He’s spent over £60m on the club and we’re in a similar position to when he bought the club - in the Championship with a small budget, a squad in need of strengthening, around 10k season ticket holders and a former player as manager who’s backed by the fans.
Nothing genius about that.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
If the club isn't taken over before the transfer window closes, it is unlikely that anyone will consider buying until the transfer window opens again in January. Any new owner will be unable to make any worthwhile changes until January and then there is the temptation to wait 'to see where we are at the end of the season'. A continuous merry go round that never stops.
It certainly wasn't due to the actions of the ultras, as that was a long time before the sale.
YEAH!!!!!!
14 November 1946
One to put in our diary. Wouldn't want dear leader to think we had forgotten him.
As for your question, I don’t know. No one other than Roland would know. My best guess is that with STVV promoted there was an issue with him having categorised ownership of two clubs in the same division. Given there has since been rumours it was not a straight forward sale, I’m 99% certain it would have been down to either that regulatory insistence or an opportunity that suited Roland best. I’m 100% convinced it was not down to a group of Standard fans door-stopping him at the stadium over two years prior.
The only way I can see a successful sale of Charlton is if one of those two criterias are met above. There won’t be a regulatory need so we are reliant on an opportunity that suits Roland best, and that will be him ensuring he gets the deal he wants out of this, regardless of the ongoing costs / losses that most of us sane people would factor in. No amount of periphery noise is going to change his demands, if that was the case it would have happened by now, imo.
As said, purely my view and not a fact
Only an utter fool wouldn’t follow that path.
Or perhaps his plan is to sell just hours before the season starts?
Or Leeds.
Hence he has convinced himself that rather than his ridiculous asking price it is the running costs that are putting off all the walk away buyers.
So in his mind breaking even increases the likelihood of a sale even if we are relegated. Remember, in his sick mind, the football doesn't matter, it the dancing.
Then you are not really reading what I have wrote and instead chosen to take it personally or as a criticism for protesting. If you read back what I have wrote I don’t think there is a single word there that could be interpreted as critical. You knock yourself out with whatever you want to do, I can’t stand the bloke and think he is a diabolical owner. I just don’t believe anything so far has been successful in encouraging (let alone forcing) him to lower his demands and I don’t see that changing in future.
As for the last sentence, I don’t think trying to draw ‘us’ lines is particularly helpful and just likely to create unnecessary divisions so in the grand scheme of things its irrelevant what I or anybody else thinks in that sense.
There are are plenty of things you can do that would generate publicity or potentially piss him off, which may make you or others feel better and that you are doing something, but again there is no evidence over the last five years here, in Belgium, Spain, Germany or Hungary that it will have any influence in leading to him shaking hands with another party and putting a signature on the papers.
No one wished it was the case more than me, btw.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
character trolling and undermining the protests at every turn.
Wouldn't surprise me if he is a Duchatelet plant and the whole forum was set up in early to mid 2000s to facilitate this eventuality.
I mean has anyone even met him?
Real Charlton fans only on here please.
Time for a ban methinks and an end to all the naysaying.
Sadly will only be a matter of time before he emerges somewhere else on the web peddling his bile and pro Duchatelet agenda under the moniker of the AFKA AFKA Bartram. :-(