He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.
Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RD is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Unless he believes that the money he stands to make in the long run will out weight the mounting losses in the short run.
He's also saving money by not having a CEO, COO, Manager, and stopping work on the training ground which probably helps. That wouldn't offset losses obviously but I have to imagine those costs aren't nothing.
I guess it comes down to the fact that I'm not convinced he feels he has to sell immediately. If he did, he would have taken the initial offer you reported on, what was it a year ago? Or would have sealed the deal in November-January. Or February. Or any time really. I think he thinks there's a long game to be played here that results in him making more money. He might very well be right on that, if we get promoted.
Or he's just that afraid of the PV boogeyman. Which seems crazy and paranoid, but yeah, can't put it past him. I just struggle to see him caring about anything to do specifically and esotericly with the club that much.
Isn't it tradition that the winning team gives all the gate receipts to the losing team?
Only in the Championship, I think, because of the financial gain of Premier League status.
If we assume a 50,000 crowd at Wembley with an average net yield per ticket of, say, £50, that’s £2.5m. But the cost of using Wembley will be substantial. If it’s £250k, that means the income per club from the final would be around £560k.
Then I assume the pool account also rewards the four play-off semi-finalists, plus there are presumably TV fees and some merchandising spin-offs. So the revenue is maybe worth £1m in total - enough to pay the wages in May, I guess.
He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
This has always been the problem. If the Valley was empty every week, he’d be gone by now
Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RD is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
This is the first mention of PV for ages and ages. What on earth might be suggesting to Duchatelet that PV is anywhere in the mix? Personally I hadn't associated him with any of the rumours that have swirled around, goodness knows Duchatelet when dealing with potential purchasers would know who he is dealing with, and know one way or another about PV rather than suspecting. Sheesh.
Pretty sure someone plops out this story after every game now. That or the brilliantly vague, it’ll me done once we know what league we’ll be in Zzzzzzz
To be fair, the latter is quite a reasonable scenario. No proof of course but a distinct possibility wouldn't you say.
I know for sure Varney is not involved with the wealthy chap. The latest I have heard is much the same. Wealthy foreign individual, British consortium and the Aussies are all still in the process. No change from past news.
Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RM is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Fixed for you
Murray has been the blocker on this deal all along not RD I have been saying it for months now
He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
This has always been the problem. If the Valley was empty every week, he’d be gone by now
In a parallel universe everything would be okay in the world....
He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
This has always been the problem. If the Valley was empty every week, he’d be gone by now
Why would he be gone with an empty Valley? Genuine question as any matchday income is a mere drop in the ocean of RD's wealth and he's never there to see how low the crowds are.
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla. Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RM is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Fixed for you
Murray has been the blocker on this deal all along not RD I have been saying it for months now
Speculating here, but what if Bid A pays out more if we stay in league 1, whilst bid B pays more if we're promoted? Might explain the delay. Lots of people on here suggesting it's down to not knowing which division we'll be in next season.
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla. Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundas
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla. Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundas
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla. Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundas
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
I was fortunate to attend one of our games at Pride Park a few years ago, as a guest of a pal who worked for Derby. Got to see a very, from my perspective, nasty & spiteful side of Murray. He was playing up to a group of cronies around him. His spite was aimed at Darren Bent as Spurs were being shown as the early game on tv, but I came away thinking this was a bloke who held a grudge for no apparent reason & certainly one I’d never care to be in company with again.
Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RD is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
This is the first mention of PV for ages and ages. What on earth might be suggesting to Duchatelet that PV is anywhere in the mix? Personally I hadn't associated him with any of the rumours that have swirled around, goodness knows Duchatelet when dealing with potential purchasers would know who he is dealing with, and know one way or another about PV rather than suspecting. Sheesh.
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla. Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundas
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
I was fortunate to attend one of our games at Pride Park a few years ago, as a guest of a pal who worked for Derby. Got to see a very, from my perspective, nasty & spiteful side of Murray. He was playing up to a group of cronies around him. His spite was aimed at Darren Bent as Spurs were being shown as the early game on tv, but I came away thinking this was a bloke who held a grudge for no apparent reason & certainly one I’d never care to be in company with again.
What's the beef there? He was a great player for us and at that time in his career he really did news to challenge himself at the next level. And we made a huge profit on him.
So question, of Murray is the one holding this up, how is he doing it? I think it was AB who posted that there were ways to have a sale go through without the approval of the old Board stakeholders. Is that not that case? Or is Murray trying to make that not the case? Or is he stalling things from an operation perspective (even though he doesn't seem to do anything)?
I don't question anything anyone is saying, just trying to better understand.
Edit: Just seen a post from nla on the last page that I'd missed.
So what does Murray get out of this? What's his end game? Does he want money in the short term? A bigger cut in the long term (though I thought the terms with the old directors was set)? Power? Influence? An official position in any new regime?
Reams also saying it's gonna happen next week now. British consortium.
Racehorse owners apparently!!!
Lots of Saudi racehorse owners FYI.
I think reams knows he has no future with the club and (forgive the pun) has backed the wrong horse. History will remember him very unkindly. I can’t see the club continuing to invite him when every comment about this site he makes is laced with overt homophobia and transphobia when the club are working closer and closer with the lgbt valiants
I know!! I'm working with the son of one at present. I'll ask him to ask his Dad if he wants to buy an English football club. To be fair though, when I show them pics and clips of Charlton I just get blank, confused looks!! Although they were very impressed with the fans' effort at Pompey on Saturday.
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla. Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundas
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
I was fortunate to attend one of our games at Pride Park a few years ago, as a guest of a pal who worked for Derby. Got to see a very, from my perspective, nasty & spiteful side of Murray. He was playing up to a group of cronies around him. His spite was aimed at Darren Bent as Spurs were being shown as the early game on tv, but I came away thinking this was a bloke who held a grudge for no apparent reason & certainly one I’d never care to be in company with again.
If Murray hadn't got us relegated he wouldn't have had to sell Darren Bent.
How is it that people know RM is slowing things up but don’t know who the bidders actually are?
How? Surely this could only happen if buyers don’t want to give him the same deal or Rolly wants some sort of security by having a charge on the assets which the ex Directors have 1st charge on?
I find the allegation implausible to be honest. Does anyone know for certain how hw is slowing things up?
Can those in the know also clear up how we have moved from the original 2 bidders (red Henry’s and the Aussies) and then one walked away; to now 3 bidders with a British bid looking most likely?
to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.
I try to, and I genuinely don't think Roland's going anytime soon. BUT..... each time a new rumour surfaces there's a tiny bit of me that thinks 'could this be it?'
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He's also saving money by not having a CEO, COO, Manager, and stopping work on the training ground which probably helps. That wouldn't offset losses obviously but I have to imagine those costs aren't nothing.
I guess it comes down to the fact that I'm not convinced he feels he has to sell immediately. If he did, he would have taken the initial offer you reported on, what was it a year ago? Or would have sealed the deal in November-January. Or February. Or any time really. I think he thinks there's a long game to be played here that results in him making more money. He might very well be right on that, if we get promoted.
Or he's just that afraid of the PV boogeyman. Which seems crazy and paranoid, but yeah, can't put it past him. I just struggle to see him caring about anything to do specifically and esotericly with the club that much.
If we assume a 50,000 crowd at Wembley with an average net yield per ticket of, say, £50, that’s £2.5m. But the cost of using Wembley will be substantial. If it’s £250k, that means the income per club from the final would be around £560k.
Then I assume the pool account also rewards the four play-off semi-finalists, plus there are presumably TV fees and some merchandising spin-offs. So the revenue is maybe worth £1m in total - enough to pay the wages in May, I guess.
Sheesh.
No proof of course but a distinct possibility wouldn't you say.
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
So question, of Murray is the one holding this up, how is he doing it? I think it was AB who posted that there were ways to have a sale go through without the approval of the old Board stakeholders. Is that not that case? Or is Murray trying to make that not the case? Or is he stalling things from an operation perspective (even though he doesn't seem to do anything)?
I don't question anything anyone is saying, just trying to better understand.
Edit: Just seen a post from nla on the last page that I'd missed.
So what does Murray get out of this? What's his end game? Does he want money in the short term? A bigger cut in the long term (though I thought the terms with the old directors was set)? Power? Influence? An official position in any new regime?
This is the weirdest fucking M&A.
However, at an actual game, is a different matter...
How? Surely this could only happen if buyers don’t want to give him the same deal or Rolly wants some sort of security by having a charge on the assets which the ex Directors have 1st charge on?
I find the allegation implausible to be honest. Does anyone know for certain how hw is slowing things up?
Can those in the know also clear up how we have moved from the original 2 bidders (red Henry’s and the Aussies) and then one walked away; to now 3 bidders with a British bid looking most likely?