The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Doesn’t surprise me ... such a pity to be honest.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years3 -
May the 100
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I was fortunate to attend one of our games at Pride Park a few years ago, as a guest of a pal who worked for Derby. Got to see a very, from my perspective, nasty & spiteful side of Murray. He was playing up to a group of cronies around him. His spite was aimed at Darren Bent as Spurs were being shown as the early game on tv, but I came away thinking this was a bloke who held a grudge for no apparent reason & certainly one I’d never care to be in company with again.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years12 -
Lets hope they take Roland to the 'Pit of Misery'....Dilly, Dilly!eaststandmike said:Dilly, Dilly!!
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Lay off the Sheesh Seth. I’m surprised at you.seth plum said:
This is the first mention of PV for ages and ages. What on earth might be suggesting to Duchatelet that PV is anywhere in the mix? Personally I hadn't associated him with any of the rumours that have swirled around, goodness knows Duchatelet when dealing with potential purchasers would know who he is dealing with, and know one way or another about PV rather than suspecting.Airman Brown said:
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?kentred2 said:Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RD is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Sheesh.
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What's the beef there? He was a great player for us and at that time in his career he really did news to challenge himself at the next level. And we made a huge profit on him.TelMc32 said:
I was fortunate to attend one of our games at Pride Park a few years ago, as a guest of a pal who worked for Derby. Got to see a very, from my perspective, nasty & spiteful side of Murray. He was playing up to a group of cronies around him. His spite was aimed at Darren Bent as Spurs were being shown as the early game on tv, but I came away thinking this was a bloke who held a grudge for no apparent reason & certainly one I’d never care to be in company with again.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
So question, of Murray is the one holding this up, how is he doing it? I think it was AB who posted that there were ways to have a sale go through without the approval of the old Board stakeholders. Is that not that case? Or is Murray trying to make that not the case? Or is he stalling things from an operation perspective (even though he doesn't seem to do anything)?
I don't question anything anyone is saying, just trying to better understand.
Edit: Just seen a post from nla on the last page that I'd missed.
So what does Murray get out of this? What's his end game? Does he want money in the short term? A bigger cut in the long term (though I thought the terms with the old directors was set)? Power? Influence? An official position in any new regime?
This is the weirdest fucking M&A.0 -
I know!! I'm working with the son of one at present. I'll ask him to ask his Dad if he wants to buy an English football club. To be fair though, when I show them pics and clips of Charlton I just get blank, confused looks!! Although they were very impressed with the fans' effort at Pompey on Saturday.kentaddick said:
Lots of Saudi racehorse owners FYI.bazjonster said:
Racehorse owners apparently!!!bolloxbolder said:Reams also saying it's gonna happen next week now. British consortium.
I think reams knows he has no future with the club and (forgive the pun) has backed the wrong horse. History will remember him very unkindly. I can’t see the club continuing to invite him when every comment about this site he makes is laced with overt homophobia and transphobia when the club are working closer and closer with the lgbt valiants
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If Murray hadn't got us relegated he wouldn't have had to sell Darren Bent.TelMc32 said:
I was fortunate to attend one of our games at Pride Park a few years ago, as a guest of a pal who worked for Derby. Got to see a very, from my perspective, nasty & spiteful side of Murray. He was playing up to a group of cronies around him. His spite was aimed at Darren Bent as Spurs were being shown as the early game on tv, but I came away thinking this was a bloke who held a grudge for no apparent reason & certainly one I’d never care to be in company with again.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years18 -
He's already in it, it's called the Valley.addick05 said:
Lets hope they take Roland to the 'Pit of Misery'....Dilly, Dilly!eaststandmike said:Dilly, Dilly!!
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He may own it but he’s not been there...Hartleypete said:
He's already in it, it's called the Valley.addick05 said:
Lets hope they take Roland to the 'Pit of Misery'....Dilly, Dilly!eaststandmike said:Dilly, Dilly!!
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I don't think you can say that. I'm pretty sure he HAS been to The Valley. Wasn't there the televised interview with him, Karen, and RM at The Valley?Chrispy51 said:
He may own it but he’s not been there...Hartleypete said:
He's already in it, it's called the Valley.addick05 said:
Lets hope they take Roland to the 'Pit of Misery'....Dilly, Dilly!eaststandmike said:Dilly, Dilly!!
However, at an actual game, is a different matter...0 -
How is it that people know RM is slowing things up but don’t know who the bidders actually are?
How? Surely this could only happen if buyers don’t want to give him the same deal or Rolly wants some sort of security by having a charge on the assets which the ex Directors have 1st charge on?
I find the allegation implausible to be honest. Does anyone know for certain how hw is slowing things up?
Can those in the know also clear up how we have moved from the original 2 bidders (red Henry’s and the Aussies) and then one walked away; to now 3 bidders with a British bid looking most likely?2 -
to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.17
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I try to, and I genuinely don't think Roland's going anytime soon. BUT..... each time a new rumour surfaces there's a tiny bit of me that thinks 'could this be it?'LargeAddick said:to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.
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He’s been to two games, both in 2014.East_Stand_Loopy said:
I don't think you can say that. I'm pretty sure he HAS been to The Valley. Wasn't there the televised interview with him, Karen, and RM at The Valley?Chrispy51 said:
He may own it but he’s not been there...Hartleypete said:
He's already in it, it's called the Valley.addick05 said:
Lets hope they take Roland to the 'Pit of Misery'....Dilly, Dilly!eaststandmike said:Dilly, Dilly!!
However, at an actual game, is a different matter...0 -
Right, after mulling this over I now believe I answers as to the whom the bidders are. The clues are there.
1) Wealthy Individual - Is Michael O'Leary who is now back in seriously following time away for both Cheltenham and Aintree. He wants to own a smaller English football Club to enable him to take on the might of the big European/US/Middle Eastern owners and show them how it is done on the cheap. Season tickets will be £99 throughout The Valley, but you have to rent your seat on a match by match basis.
2) British Consortium - Headed by Brits in Varney and Elliot, but with Kuwaiti backing. These have been rumbling along in the background for some time, but interest has upped since the oil price started to recover and they need to invest in the UK somewhere since the Paramount Park has been put on hold. Post purchase, there is a five year plan starting with £10m being available for season one, which doubles every year. The plan is to be at least in the Europa League by 2023/24 season
3) Aussie Consortium - With half of the sale price being agreed with Andrew Muir who despite not being the front man, will be a major shareholder. The hold up on completion is that one of the consortium's business (DKF) has made a significant loss since the dried kangaroo foreskin market collapsed in China, following clinical trials and the now cheaply available Viagra substitute flooded the home market. The Aussies are the only ones with an exit plan.
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But it's STILL only conjecture nla....you have no proof.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
Why on earth would Murray be muddying the water and if he were, for what purpose and why are you convinced that Goldfinger would act upon his opinions anyway. Indeed, I would suspect he is likely to be very cautious of anything RM has to say or anyone else come to that.
If you can give me some sound reasons why RM wishes to screw up takeovers then I may be more inclined to go along with your hypothesis.3 -
I think there has always been three. Although I wasn't aware of the British one for a while.Redrobo said:How is it that people know RM is slowing things up but don’t know who the bidders actually are?
How? Surely this could only happen if buyers don’t want to give him the same deal or Rolly wants some sort of security by having a charge on the assets which the ex Directors have 1st charge on?
I find the allegation implausible to be honest. Does anyone know for certain how hw is slowing things up?
Can those in the know also clear up how we have moved from the original 2 bidders (red Henry’s and the Aussies) and then one walked away; to now 3 bidders with a British bid looking most likely?3 -
The fourth one dropped out a while ago.0
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You might well be correct @nth london addicknth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
But it’s a lot easier to predict that nothing is happening, than to try to piece together some snippets of inside info and other clues to try to establish what is going to happen and when. The posters on here trying to decipher all this deserve a lot of respect for their efforts imo.7 -
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For a start I don’t know and never met the major players involved, but from the outside, in a word Vanity.SoundAsa£ said:
But it's STILL only conjecture nla....you have no proof.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
Why on earth would Murray be muddying the water and if he were, for what purpose and why are you convinced that Goldfinger would act upon his opinions anyway. Indeed, I would suspect he is likely to be very cautious of anything RM has to say or anyone else come to that.
If you can give me some sound reasons why RM wishes to screw up takeovers then I may be more inclined to go along with your hypothesis.
Duchatelet, his vanity for thinking that he’s Alan Turing and thinking his way of doing things is far far better that what anyone has done before.
Meire, the vanity for accepting a job, from one of her parent’s friends, and having no skills to do it with any success.
Murray, his vanity wants to keep himself at the top table.
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After 678 pages why do we not have a new owner ? Has anyone thought about shirt-fronting Roland and having a word. He needs some encouragement, some reason to change his approach. It is all become a farce.
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Bingo!!! Brightens the day up though, reading all the false dawns. It started off as the tiniest of snowballs and is now an alpine avalanche!! What the last few months in particular have shown is that no one really knows a lot about it. Hence the constant replenishment of the salt cellar.LargeAddick said:to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.
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LargeAddick said:
to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.
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I thought that was a telegraph pole at first - but if you zoom in you can see it's clearly Alan Pardew. That's not salt!!!!!cafcfan said:
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Fixed it for you.Arsenetatters said:
I try to, and I genuinely don't think Roland's going anytime soon. BUT..... each time a new rumour surfaces a little bit of wee comes out and there's a tiny bit of me that thinks 'could this be it?'LargeAddick said:to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.
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Vanity/Ego sums it up.HarryLime said:
For a start I don’t know and never met the major players involved, but from the outside, in a word Vanity.SoundAsa£ said:
But it's STILL only conjecture nla....you have no proof.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
Why on earth would Murray be muddying the water and if he were, for what purpose and why are you convinced that Goldfinger would act upon his opinions anyway. Indeed, I would suspect he is likely to be very cautious of anything RM has to say or anyone else come to that.
If you can give me some sound reasons why RM wishes to screw up takeovers then I may be more inclined to go along with your hypothesis.
Duchatelet, his vanity for thinking that he’s Alan Turing and thinking his way of doing things is far far better that what anyone has done before.
Meire, the vanity for accepting a job, from one of her parent’s friends, and having no skills to do it with any success.
Murray, his vanity wants to keep himself at the top table.
Good to see you come out of the shadows, Harry Lime.2 -
Menopause. The sad truth.sillav nitram said:
Fixed it for you.Arsenetatters said:
I try to, and I genuinely don't think Roland's going anytime soon. BUT..... each time a new rumour surfaces a little bit of wee comes out and there's a tiny bit of me that thinks 'could this be it?'LargeAddick said:to be honest i now take anything i read on here with a large pinch of salt.
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It's about time he got a new raincoat though and gave up the fagssoapboxsam said:
Vanity/Ego sums it up.HarryLime said:
For a start I don’t know and never met the major players involved, but from the outside, in a word Vanity.SoundAsa£ said:
But it's STILL only conjecture nla....you have no proof.nth london addick said:
Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
Why on earth would Murray be muddying the water and if he were, for what purpose and why are you convinced that Goldfinger would act upon his opinions anyway. Indeed, I would suspect he is likely to be very cautious of anything RM has to say or anyone else come to that.
If you can give me some sound reasons why RM wishes to screw up takeovers then I may be more inclined to go along with your hypothesis.
Duchatelet, his vanity for thinking that he’s Alan Turing and thinking his way of doing things is far far better that what anyone has done before.
Meire, the vanity for accepting a job, from one of her parent’s friends, and having no skills to do it with any success.
Murray, his vanity wants to keep himself at the top table.
Good to see you come out of the shadows, Harry Lime.
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