The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Couple of thoughts though;lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
1. A seriously large number of Australians have a European and likely British parent or Grandparent so assume could qualify for a passport?
2. I assume Australians still relatively easily get a two year working visa here? They used to 20odd years back. If right then that would be enough for their home club to loan them here, so Essendon for example buy up the best Australian kids, loan them to us for a year, if they are a success they can sell for a large amount compared to selling straight out of the Aussie league.
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Mooy at Huddersfield isn't bad is he?Shrew said:Desperately searching for some good news, I found this on 'ROAR' , an Australian online sports website its dated errr tomorrow, its all a bit depressing really..
'The exciting part of the mooted Aussie consortium seeking to buy Charlton Athletic is that they are (reportedly) seeking to create a feeder system for Australian talent.
If true this idea is long overdue and a fascinating experiment in artificially boosting the European development of Australian players. In principle this could mean that a player like Troisi looking for a gig in Europe could knock on Charlton’s door and find a more accommodating recruitment team.
Now Charlton just lost a Championship promotion playoff, but let’s say for convenience that a Championship level Charlton would be a fascinating concept that could be replicated across Europe.
Imagine a Championship level club ready willing and able to pick up a 20-year-old Daniel Arzani – even on loan for a season from City – to work on his talents with game time against seasoned professionals.
Or Josh Brillante being invited to compete for a spot in central midfield and really challenge himself rather than risk falling into complacency at a level that he has mastered. This could be a game-changer for the National team.
Perhaps the Lowys or the guy who owns Mona, or Dick Smith could put their hands in their pockets and buy up Zulte Waregem, FC Groningen or 50-1 per cent of VfL Bochum to solve the demand-side problem our Australian talent faces'
full link -https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/05/16/league-hold-back-national-team/
Visas would be an issue and I also doubt it's their sole motive as it was for Duchatelet.1 -
I'll take Aussie players if they're decent. I'm not sure what the exact criteria is to bring in non-EU footballers but they do have to be at a certain standard to come here and play.
Watford had a network that worked because they were able to bring in good players. Our network failed because we got given players no other teams wanted.8 -
https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.1 -
Oh for the days when the players got the same bus to the ground as the fans.3
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Australia are ranked 40 in the world at the moment and so by the above criteria, we can only get permits for Australian players who have played in at least 75% of their national team matches over the last two years (or one year if the player is under the age of 21).0
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Crusty54 said:
Unless their parents were born here.lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
It’s hardly the basis for spending £40 million on a football club.
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'belgium are really good nationally, I wouldn't mind a few players from over there if they are deemed surplus to requirements at a champions league club like standard liege'.
It's like looking in the mirror 4 years ago. Feeder club systems don't work.0 -
Oh look, has any sale been announced? NO
Do we know if, a sale were announced soon, would Duchatelet have ongoing interests? NO WE DON’T
Is it acceptable for the likes of Keohane and Murray to be involved in the club going forwards? NO THEY ALSO NEED TO FUCK OFF.
(Love Tony's work by the way top fella.)6 -
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747 pages. This is now officially a "jumbo" thread!3
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Apart from anything else, the big clubs have scouts all round the world, looking for the best talents in every country. If someone is good enough, they'll be snapped up, they don't need an Aussie club in England to get opportunities in England and Europe.6
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Not if they have British grandparentslancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
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Aussies with British grandparents can easily get a passport. Essendon are Aussie Rules totally different game.Athletico Charlton said:
Couple of thoughts though;lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
1. A seriously large number of Australians have a European and likely British parent or Grandparent so assume could qualify for a passport?
2. I assume Australians still relatively easily get a two year working visa here? They used to 20odd years back. If right then that would be enough for their home club to loan them here, so Essendon for example buy up the best Australian kids, loan them to us for a year, if they are a success they can sell for a large amount compared to selling straight out of the Aussie league.
Some seriously talented young Aussies around in the A League, many find there way into European football so there are obviously ways of getting a permit.1 -
Hadn’t realised they were Aussie rules, bring em over, they definitely would not get bullied by Shrews. ;-)TEL said:
Aussies with British grandparents can easily get a passport. Essendon are Aussie Rules totally different game.Athletico Charlton said:
Couple of thoughts though;lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
1. A seriously large number of Australians have a European and likely British parent or Grandparent so assume could qualify for a passport?
2. I assume Australians still relatively easily get a two year working visa here? They used to 20odd years back. If right then that would be enough for their home club to loan them here, so Essendon for example buy up the best Australian kids, loan them to us for a year, if they are a success they can sell for a large amount compared to selling straight out of the Aussie league.
Some seriously talented young Aussies around in the A League, many find there way into European football so there are obviously ways of getting a permit.7 -
They are weak as piss at the moment, so wouldnt bank on that.Athletico Charlton said:
Hadn’t realised they were Aussie rules, bring em over, they definitely would not get bullied by Shrews. ;-)TEL said:
Aussies with British grandparents can easily get a passport. Essendon are Aussie Rules totally different game.Athletico Charlton said:
Couple of thoughts though;lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
1. A seriously large number of Australians have a European and likely British parent or Grandparent so assume could qualify for a passport?
2. I assume Australians still relatively easily get a two year working visa here? They used to 20odd years back. If right then that would be enough for their home club to loan them here, so Essendon for example buy up the best Australian kids, loan them to us for a year, if they are a success they can sell for a large amount compared to selling straight out of the Aussie league.
Some seriously talented young Aussies around in the A League, many find there way into European football so there are obviously ways of getting a permit.3 -
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.18 -
Oh joy. A team half full of Permanently rotating Australian temps. You get used to them, & then off they go, to be replaced by a new set.Athletico Charlton said:
Couple of thoughts though;lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
1. A seriously large number of Australians have a European and likely British parent or Grandparent so assume could qualify for a passport?
2. I assume Australians still relatively easily get a two year working visa here? They used to 20odd years back. If right then that would be enough for their home club to loan them here, so Essendon for example buy up the best Australian kids, loan them to us for a year, if they are a success they can sell for a large amount compared to selling straight out of the Aussie league.0 -
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Or how? Unless they think the rules on overseas players are about to change.Chizz said:
"If true". The uninformed journalist's go-to caveat.Shrew said:Desperately searching for some good news, I found this on 'ROAR' , an Australian online sports website its dated errr tomorrow, its all a bit depressing really..
'The exciting part of the mooted Aussie consortium seeking to buy Charlton Athletic is that they are (reportedly) seeking to create a feeder system for Australian talent.
If true this idea is long overdue and a fascinating experiment in artificially boosting the European development of Australian players. In principle this could mean that a player like Troisi looking for a gig in Europe could knock on Charlton’s door and find a more accommodating recruitment team.
Now Charlton just lost a Championship promotion playoff, but let’s say for convenience that a Championship level Charlton would be a fascinating concept that could be replicated across Europe.
Imagine a Championship level club ready willing and able to pick up a 20-year-old Daniel Arzani – even on loan for a season from City – to work on his talents with game time against seasoned professionals.
Or Josh Brillante being invited to compete for a spot in central midfield and really challenge himself rather than risk falling into complacency at a level that he has mastered. This could be a game-changer for the National team.
Perhaps the Lowys or the guy who owns Mona, or Dick Smith could put their hands in their pockets and buy up Zulte Waregem, FC Groningen or 50-1 per cent of VfL Bochum to solve the demand-side problem our Australian talent faces'
full link -https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/05/16/league-hold-back-national-team/
What this speculation-full, but fact-free article fails to shed light on is any reason why Charlton's owners would do this.
The Belgian Turing had an idea to swap playing and coaching staff around his network to lower costs and add value. It was a sound idea, poorly executed and consequently an expensive and embarrassing failure. But at least it had the merit of planned cost reduction and vale adding.
This poor article fails to deliver an answer to the one question surrounding the new owners' motivation: why?0 -
Or even better, tram!happyvalley said:Oh for the days when the players got the same bus to the ground as the fans.
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If this takeover is happening I really hope its today. The transfer window opens tomorrow morning and we need to be involved from the beginning so any identified targets are approached and hopefully bought.10
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Australia ranked at 40th so players have to play in 75% of games...Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
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Not that different from lots of other people working in London then ...vff said:
Oh joy. A team half full of Permanently rotating Australian temps. You get used to them, & then off they go, to be replaced by a new set.Athletico Charlton said:
Couple of thoughts though;lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
1. A seriously large number of Australians have a European and likely British parent or Grandparent so assume could qualify for a passport?
2. I assume Australians still relatively easily get a two year working visa here? They used to 20odd years back. If right then that would be enough for their home club to loan them here, so Essendon for example buy up the best Australian kids, loan them to us for a year, if they are a success they can sell for a large amount compared to selling straight out of the Aussie league.0 -
Precisely - and I would think one of the reasons why the Aussies are so interested.Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
As from next April, we are able to form our own immigration policy outside of the EU Legislation and allow in as many ex Commonwealth immigrants - whether permanent or temporary - as we wish. I cannot see too many complaints over a small number of fit young English speaking high earning white makes being allowed in.
Pretty sure this will be seen as a back door entry into the EU by quite a few countries.
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The new owner of Sunderland has said that the fit and proper test is hopefully being completed by the end of this week. If the Aussie bid is with the EFL then we can't be that far behind.1
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Not if we leave the EU and so are no longer under those rules.cafc-west said:
Australia ranked at 40th so players have to play in 75% of games...Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
Has anyone got Mark Fish's phone number?0 -
Forgot about the transfer window changes. Really need to get this done asap.Redmidland said:If this takeover is happening I really hope its today. The transfer window opens tomorrow morning and we need to be involved from the beginning so any identified targets are approached and hopefully bought.
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Amazing how Belgium manage to allow in so many players from DR Congo within those EU rules.0
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And you’re with a girl that’s not Katrien? Is she your nan?cabbles said:
FFs - that’s quite a big picture of my head in the bottom right hand corner of the mercury photoCurb_It said:
No I sent it to my pal last week who knows him and he confirmed it wasn't him. He also told him he wasn't involved any more.cafcfan said:
Could it be Philip Aiken? He was apparently sniffing around Coventry a year ago with Murphy. https://coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/who-gerard-murphy-philip-aiken-12966086The Red Robin said:Scoham said:
Anyone know who the bloke next to Elliott is in the Newsshoper photo? Pretty sure it isn't him but looks a bit like Usmanov - owns 30% of Arsenal (and is looking to sell those shares) and 30% of Rangers and is the business partner of Moshiri, who is the majority shareholder at Everton, a deal brokered by Keith Harris.
Don't think it's him but not too dissimilar.
He, too, is Australian but lives in the UK. He is Non-exec Chairman of Balfour Beatty the construction giant. Here's a photo for comparison:
You'd have to add a touch of "Just For Men" mind.1 -
Non-EU/EEA immigration is and always has been at the complete control of the UK Government. We have always been able to control this. The Tier 2 (Sportsperson) Visa legislation is wholly UK law, nothing whatsoever to do with the EU, so leaving the EU has no impact on this in any way.Addickted said:
Precisely - and I would think one of the reasons why the Aussies are so interested.Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
As from next April, we are able to form our own immigration policy outside of the EU Legislation and allow in as many ex Commonwealth immigrants - whether permanent or temporary - as we wish. I cannot see too many complaints over a small number of fit young English speaking high earning white makes being allowed in.
Pretty sure this will be seen as a back door entry into the EU by quite a few countries.
There was even talk a while ago of allowing ALL Australia, New Zealand and Canada citizens to have full rights to live and work in the UK.6
