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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • cafcfan said:

    Well, I think we have to be a bit more understanding of her performance. What's Johnson's excuse?

    Oh here we go - now she has been announced as being ill, all of a sudden the TV appearances dont matter and all the attention is back on nasty old Tories?

    What's Corbyns excuse for leaving her in the firing line if she wasnt well then?
    He won't need an excuse. He hires and then fires people without actually telling them after all. Even when they are suffering from a severe health issue.
    independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
    Update - seems it's happened again:

    From the BBC: "BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Ms Abbott's break would be "indefinite" and political correspondent Iain Watson said friends of Ms Abbott had told him she was moved without consultation, not at her own request."
  • the free uni fees, if for example the degree you want to do is in the other end of the country, how do you fund rail tickets up to it and living expenses, will student loans still be available to fund that.

    I would assume so.
  • No I don't accept because I see less teachers and more redundancies planned - I see kids who can't get place in secondary schools - I hear what is going on from my wife in her school. Why do you think you are annoying me so much? I know funding is being cut.
  • Fiiish said:

    This election is going one of three ways.

    1) Shy Tory syndrome rears its head again and May increases her majority, as was always expected. Corbyn is crushed and Labour finally ousts him. Most likely result.

    2) Reduced Tory majority or even hung Parliament. Wolves baying for May. Somewhat less likely.

    3) Labour is largest party. Very unlikely.

    Thursday 22.05 ought to be interesting like it was last time.

    if its number 3 then for the next year moan about what the people that have voted him have done to this country and say how thick and stupid they are.
    But when the results of the analysis of the educational backgrounds of the people who voted for each party are published by the polling companies it will be hard to make that claim stick. In fact the results will clearly show the opposite.

    Unlike the results of the analysis of the Brexit vote which clearly showed the thick and stupid vote overly represented on the Leave side.

    I'm thick and stupid and voted remain.

    There is always the exception that proves the rule.
  • Next 2 pages of "What May's excuse for............?"
  • What's May's excuse for using a walking stick when she is physically able?
  • What I look at is no polls show anything other than a Conservative lead. It is clear there has been some shortening due to Corbyn doing ok and May being totally inept. My hopes are 1) May has the same or worse majority - this is important as I honestly believe with all my heart she is incompetent and she will then be replaced as they won't want her fighting the next election- I believed it before the election and the election has only confirmed it. We have to have somebody with a bit more sense and diplomacy negotiating Brexit.
    then 2) Corbyn polls better than Milliband did. I think Corbyn has made a breakthrough and the next election will be Labour's to win - I would like to think our chnace of real positive change won't be passed up! So for me every vote for Corbyn is positive.

    I agree that the next election (simply due to the natural swing between parties) will be one that Labour will be targeting a big performance at.

    But I dont think Corbyn will be driving it - he will be 73 then. And with someone else at the helm, whose to say whether it will have a positive or negative effect on the party?
  • No I don't accept because I see less teachers and more redundancies planned - I see kids who can't get place in secondary schools - I hear what is going on from my wife in her school. Why do you think you are annoying me so much? I know funding is being cut.

    I give up! Your right muttley, 100% we're all doomed. Let the schools who get the very thin end of the wedge under the current funding formula rock on as they are just as long as it doesn't effect you.

    Do you realise the work that authorities put into admissions and predicting numbers? The fact there weren't spaces for (50?) children had nothing to do with funding I suspect. Much like when Lewisham had 100's more applicants than expected as none of the children were known to them via the various registers and means they use.

    Do you really think they knew they were going to get 2,000 applications but only funded 1,950 because of budget restraints......
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  • What I look at is no polls show anything other than a Conservative lead. It is clear there has been some shortening due to Corbyn doing ok and May being totally inept. My hopes are 1) May has the same or worse majority - this is important as I honestly believe with all my heart she is incompetent and she will then be replaced as they won't want her fighting the next election- I believed it before the election and the election has only confirmed it. We have to have somebody with a bit more sense and diplomacy negotiating Brexit.
    then 2) Corbyn polls better than Milliband did. I think Corbyn has made a breakthrough and the next election will be Labour's to win - I would like to think our chnace of real positive change won't be passed up! So for me every vote for Corbyn is positive.

    I agree that the next election (simply due to the natural swing between parties) will be one that Labour will be targeting a big performance at.

    But I dont think Corbyn will be driving it - he will be 73 then. And with someone else at the helm, whose to say whether it will have a positive or negative effect on the party?
    If when Corbyn goes (and I agree he almost certainly will) the Labour Party lurch even further to the left under Momentum's driving then the centre/left will have five years to form a new party as a viable alternative to the fecking tories!
  • edited June 2017
    They know how many applications they will get overall, they count the numbers in year 6 FFS! Half of them don't get sent up Chimneys - the tories need a few more years for that to happen!

    Look lets stop arguing - schools budgets are being cut - I believe that with all my heart - I come from a family of teachers - so I find it offensive - because it is such an important thing and to hear otherwise when everybody knows what is happening is ridiculous. You clearly think all is rosy - so lets just not argue about it. I don't particularly like foaming at the mouth! Especially as it is clear the Tories are going to win tomorrow.
  • bobmunro said:

    What I look at is no polls show anything other than a Conservative lead. It is clear there has been some shortening due to Corbyn doing ok and May being totally inept. My hopes are 1) May has the same or worse majority - this is important as I honestly believe with all my heart she is incompetent and she will then be replaced as they won't want her fighting the next election- I believed it before the election and the election has only confirmed it. We have to have somebody with a bit more sense and diplomacy negotiating Brexit.
    then 2) Corbyn polls better than Milliband did. I think Corbyn has made a breakthrough and the next election will be Labour's to win - I would like to think our chnace of real positive change won't be passed up! So for me every vote for Corbyn is positive.

    I agree that the next election (simply due to the natural swing between parties) will be one that Labour will be targeting a big performance at.

    But I dont think Corbyn will be driving it - he will be 73 then. And with someone else at the helm, whose to say whether it will have a positive or negative effect on the party?
    If when Corbyn goes (and I agree he almost certainly will) the Labour Party lurch even further to the left under Momentum's driving then the centre/left will have five years to form a new party as a viable alternative to the fecking tories!
    This is what I'm interested in. Labour somehow managed to produce a decent manifesto, and Corbyn is starting to win me over, but God I can't stand momentum. I can't​ see a new party happening unless the Tories snap in half over Brexit (unlikely) or the lib Dems getting enough seats to become relevant again (less likely). I just hope a pragmatic centrist movement comes along and unites the labour party. Even less likely.
  • If Corbyn does ok he will stay - If he does badly the right of the party will fight even harder to oust him.
  • They know how many applications they will get overall, they count the numbers in year 6 FFS! Half of them don't get sent up Chimneys - the tories need a few more years for that to happen!

    If only that was the case Mutley and shows your lack of understanding of what really goes on ......

    How many parents move area whilst their child is at primary but don't update the school, or the school don't update the LA. More of a London issue granted as more borders, but it really isn't anywhere near as simple as counting children in year 6 in your borough/town.

    How many parents send their children private at primary to get in the best state secondaries? They aren't on the LA's radar either.

    I don't wish to argue either, in some respects we are similar, my wife works in s school as did my mum, my sister a teacher and so on. Even they were surprised in a lot of what I found out as a governor that they working in schools never knew.
  • edited June 2017
    I know a number of schools who are facing the biggest funding crisis they have ever had. But let's leave it there. You may vote for the bastards responsible, but you are not responsible for it. I should be angry with them - as I am - rather than you.
  • bobmunro said:

    Stig said:

    What's May's excuse for using a walking stick when she is physically able?

    Trying to fiddle the DLA assessment?
    PIP
  • Given just what was being predicted for Labour in this election and how the polls have changed I really can't see why Corbyn would be ousted. He will have done (we assume) better than could be expected.

    The Labour Party system of electing a leader will still ensure a left wing candidate will become leader. The pausity of left wing alternatives to Corbyn could undo anything Corbyn however unlikely has achieved.

    It's now inconceivable that Labour will have a moderate leader.
  • Given just what was being predicted for Labour in this election and how the polls have changed I really can't see why Corbyn would be ousted. He will have done (we assume) better than could be expected.

    The Labour Party system of electing a leader will still ensure a left wing candidate will become leader. The pausity of left wing alternatives to Corbyn could undo anything Corbyn however unlikely has achieved.

    It's now inconceivable that Labour will have a moderate leader.

    Unless David Milliband does a uturn and decides to return.
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  • Well, looks like 2 less votes for labour anyway. 1 day to go and no sign of my postal vote papers. Last general election they arrived before the election but too late to post. Not great for the democratic process.
  • Given just what was being predicted for Labour in this election and how the polls have changed I really can't see why Corbyn would be ousted. He will have done (we assume) better than could be expected.

    The Labour Party system of electing a leader will still ensure a left wing candidate will become leader. The pausity of left wing alternatives to Corbyn could undo anything Corbyn however unlikely has achieved.

    It's now inconceivable that Labour will have a moderate leader.

    Unless David Milliband does a uturn and decides to return.
    Won't matter. The electoral college for electing a leader wouldn't elect him.

  • Debating whether to dip in here for the next 30 hours or so, or should I continue to give it a swerve.
  • Debating whether to dip in here for the next 30 hours or so, or should I continue to give it a swerve.

    Come on in, we have plenty of popcorn.
  • Something I've noticed with a lot of the SNP candidates is how young they are. Could this be a (small) factor in their success? A new generation, meant to be different from the status quo.
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