Labour's socialist leadership has constructed a principled, credible manifesto and fought a positive campaign.
The Tories - the party of the powerful, pompous and privileged - has overseen austerity, welfare cuts and job insecurity to many, whilst offering plentiful assistance to the wealthy...and will seek to do more of the same.
A plea to the frustrated young voter: This is a pivotal moment in British politics. Leave your Twitters for an hour, get up to your polling station and vote for what you know to be honest, decent and true. If enough do so, the potential to change society for the better might be realised.
Well, looks like 2 less votes for labour anyway. 1 day to go and no sign of my postal vote papers. Last general election they arrived before the election but too late to post. Not great for the democratic process.
If you get yourself to the elections office (usually, but not always, in your local town hall or civic centre) in you constituency they can issue you with a new one. It may just be normal office hours though. Where I am it shuts a 5pm. Not much help if your postal vote was out of necessity, but if you are around it may be of help.
any sentient being who voluntarily votes for the shifty eyed poseur Corbyn .. needs their brain tested .. the man and his followers would be a disaster in power and given the voting structure of the Labour party for leadership elections, there is no possibility of an in house coup a lá that skunk Livingstone carried out at the GLC all those years ago ..
Labour's socialist leadership has constructed a principled, credible manifesto and fought a positive campaign.
The Tories - the party of the powerful, pompous and privileged - has overseen austerity, welfare cuts and job insecurity to many, whilst offering plentiful assistance to the wealthy...and will seek to do more of the same.
A plea to the frustrated young voter: This is a pivotal moment in British politics. Leave your Twitters for an hour, get up to your polling station and vote for what you know to be honest, decent and true. If enough do so, the potential to change society for the better might be realised.
I cant believe this bollox is still being peddled out the day before polling.
The top 5% of earners pay almost half of all tax collected in the UK
Labour's socialist leadership has constructed a principled, credible manifesto and fought a positive campaign.
The Tories - the party of the powerful, pompous and privileged - has overseen austerity, welfare cuts and job insecurity to many, whilst offering plentiful assistance to the wealthy...and will seek to do more of the same.
A plea to the frustrated young voter: This is a pivotal moment in British politics. Leave your Twitters for an hour, get up to your polling station and vote for what you know to be honest, decent and true. If enough do so, the potential to change society for the better might be realised.
I cant believe this bollox is still being peddled out the day before polling.
The top 5% of earners pay almost half of all tax collected in the UK
Well, looks like 2 less votes for labour anyway. 1 day to go and no sign of my postal vote papers. Last general election they arrived before the election but too late to post. Not great for the democratic process.
If you get yourself to the elections office (usually, but not always, in your local town hall or civic centre) in you constituency they can issue you with a new one. It may just be normal office hours though. Where I am it shuts a 5pm. Not much help if your postal vote was out of necessity, but if you are around it may be of help.
Thanks for the suggestion Stig, but much as I am keen to exercise my democratic right, a it ain't really worth a flight from Canada!
Well, looks like 2 less votes for labour anyway. 1 day to go and no sign of my postal vote papers. Last general election they arrived before the election but too late to post. Not great for the democratic process.
If you get yourself to the elections office (usually, but not always, in your local town hall or civic centre) in you constituency they can issue you with a new one. It may just be normal office hours though. Where I am it shuts a 5pm. Not much help if your postal vote was out of necessity, but if you are around it may be of help.
Thanks for the suggestion Stig, but much as I am keen to exercise my democratic right, a it ain't really worth a flight from Canada!
The Naylor review is happening people. And it's not good.
I actually don't see what the issue is with that. Sell off unused bits of land or inefficiently used bits of land and use the funds raised to fund new infrastructure for the rest of the NHS. Most of the reports out there on social media are wayyyyy off from the reccomendations of the actual review.
It's IMO far less of an issue that the private finance initiatives agreed by the Blair/Brown administration. They were basically: say to a developer 'you build us a hospital/school worth 30m and we will give you 150m over the next 30 years'. That is the biggest disaster and the biggest threat to the NHS in my opinion.
I don't think the 18 to 25 vote will increase much, if at all, as it will be easier to stay in bed, go to the pub, play x box or search tinder instead.
I'll be ashamed of my fellow 18-25 year olds if so.
Canterbury is a safe Tory seat despite the population being 70% students. Fact is not enough of us vote.
Spend time night mobilising them. Do they still have the chat room UKC Misc. spread the word
Never heard of it so doubt it. As much as I've tried I just don't think young people are that interested.
The Naylor review is happening people. And it's not good.
I actually don't see what the issue is with that. Sell off unused bits of land or inefficiently used bits of land and use the funds raised to fund new infrastructure for the rest of the NHS. Most of the reports out there on social media are wayyyyy off from the reccomendations of the actual review.
It's IMO far less of an issue that the private finance initiatives agreed by the Blair/Brown administration. They were basically: say to a developer 'you build us a hospital/school worth 30m and we will give you 150m over the next 30 years'. That is the biggest disaster and the biggest threat to the NHS in my opinion.
I mean it sounds good if that was the complete extent of it but:
-hospitals are so desperate for cash that they no longer have a real choice -bribed with public money to sell off quickly and cheaply -hospitals that are still in a position to refuse can be punished for non-compliance (by restricting funding).
That's without the potential that they might go well beyond their remit and start selling areas that aren't truly surplus.
I don't think the 18 to 25 vote will increase much, if at all, as it will be easier to stay in bed, go to the pub, play x box or search tinder instead.
I'll be ashamed of my fellow 18-25 year olds if so.
Canterbury is a safe Tory seat despite the population being 70% students. Fact is not enough of us vote.
Spend time night mobilising them. Do they still have the chat room UKC Misc. spread the word
Never heard of it so doubt it. As much as I've tried I just don't think young people are that interested.
It was a distraction when studying in the library and Rutherford in the run up to exams
Would be genuinely interested to see if there is anyone on here who is not wealthy (i.e. not above national average) who supports the Conservatives. I understand why people would if they are well off, but can't begin to understand why they would if they aren't.
I don't think the 18 to 25 vote will increase much, if at all, as it will be easier to stay in bed, go to the pub, play x box or search tinder instead.
I'll be ashamed of my fellow 18-25 year olds if so.
Canterbury is a safe Tory seat despite the population being 70% students. Fact is not enough of us vote.
How can it be 70%? That would imply nearly 50,000 students...
I can tell you why I think it is. The Conservartives portray themslves as the party of the ladder. If you are poor, your ambition is not to stay poor or even acknowledge you are in that category. It is a big confidence trick but they know how to use anger which motivates the poor more than most. The people wanting to nick their job or take their jobs are always below them and the government is trying to help them up that ladder. The truth that the establishment want/need working poor as it creates wealth for the few is lost on them.
I can tell you why I think it is. The Conservartives portray themslves as the party of the ladder. If you are poor, your ambition is not to stay poor or even acknowledge you are in that category. It is a big confidence trick but they know how to use anger which motivates the poor more than most. The people wanting to nick their job or take their jobs are always below them and the government is trying to help them up that ladder. The truth that the establishment want/need working poor as it creates wealth for the few is lost on them.
Basically how Trump was able to persuade working class voters to vote for him as well.
The Naylor review is happening people. And it's not good.
I actually don't see what the issue is with that. Sell off unused bits of land or inefficiently used bits of land and use the funds raised to fund new infrastructure for the rest of the NHS. Most of the reports out there on social media are wayyyyy off from the reccomendations of the actual review.
It's IMO far less of an issue that the private finance initiatives agreed by the Blair/Brown administration. They were basically: say to a developer 'you build us a hospital/school worth 30m and we will give you 150m over the next 30 years'. That is the biggest disaster and the biggest threat to the NHS in my opinion.
I mean it sounds good if that was the complete extent of it but:
-hospitals are so desperate for cash that they no longer have a real choice -bribed with public money to sell off quickly and cheaply -hospitals that are still in a position to refuse can be punished for non-compliance (by restricting funding).
That's without the potential that they might go well beyond their remit and start selling areas that aren't truly surplus.
Sure which is why it's important it is properly managed (which is unlikely under any governemnt). But that's not a reson to not carry out a policy that makes sense.
Dammit I wasn't supposed to be getting into debate on policies. I lasted so many months not dipping into this thread!
Yes. But Brexit gave them a voice - whether they used it wisely or not, the party that gave them the voice will reap the benefits in the short term. This is actually a dangerous election for the tories because the waters ahead are choppy. What is important is that Corbyn can keep power so a bad labour defeat will be a disaster. A disaster because that tory bounce will deflate over the coming years and turn to anger. A Labour party that returns to what it has been in recent years doesn't really provide an alternative and may even be supported by the press again because Corbyn has terrifed the establishment. And the establishment exists in the Labour party too.
I am grateful for this election because I have seen the power of influence - I was anti Corbyn to begin with - but now I would follow him wherever he leads me. It is so refreshing to see a politician that says things that he knows will be twisted and used against him, but he does it because it is right. If Labour hold their nerve his time will come. We will have to put up with 5 shitty years in the meantime but Rome wasn't built in a day. The people who have found a voice will have worked out the betrayal by then. It will be the wrong reason to vote - against the ruling party rather than the party that will give them a better life, but the outcome will be the same.
Well, looks like 2 less votes for labour anyway. 1 day to go and no sign of my postal vote papers. Last general election they arrived before the election but too late to post. Not great for the democratic process.
If you get yourself to the elections office (usually, but not always, in your local town hall or civic centre) in you constituency they can issue you with a new one. It may just be normal office hours though. Where I am it shuts a 5pm. Not much help if your postal vote was out of necessity, but if you are around it may be of help.
Thanks for the suggestion Stig, but much as I am keen to exercise my democratic right, a it ain't really worth a flight from Canada!
Sounds like you're not the only one, it's been a bit of a widespread problem.
Thanks Callum, I've given them my two penn'orth. We had a similar deal in 2015, that time the papers arrived but with only a couple of days to spare. We mailed them straight back but I doubt they arrived in time to be counted.
I had intended to pay for priority mail or a courier this time but can't even do that without the papers.
The Naylor review is happening people. And it's not good.
I actually don't see what the issue is with that. Sell off unused bits of land or inefficiently used bits of land and use the funds raised to fund new infrastructure for the rest of the NHS. Most of the reports out there on social media are wayyyyy off from the reccomendations of the actual review.
It's IMO far less of an issue that the private finance initiatives agreed by the Blair/Brown administration. They were basically: say to a developer 'you build us a hospital/school worth 30m and we will give you 150m over the next 30 years'. That is the biggest disaster and the biggest threat to the NHS in my opinion.
This is not the case. They are actually going to shut at least one hospital that I know of. It's not the main hospital in the area but it used to be until the tories stripped it to bits back in the early nineties. So talk of 'crumbling' NHS buildings are more than likely entirely the Tories own doing anyway! The problem is it still houses many departments and carries out thousands of day Surgery's and planned operations. It is used by many people and stops the flow to the already well overstretched main hospital in the area. They have said that it will not close until a number of small health centres are built and opened in the area. Problem is nobody's seen plans for these centres and has no idea where they will be. And knowing the Tories penchant for talking bollocks,they will more than likely not be built at all.
The witch of an MP for this constituency has done nothing to stand up to the soon to be built Thames crossing that will rip through the borough causing unimaginable health issues in the long term. And by closing hospitals like this sufferers will have to wait god knows how long to get any sort of treatment..
I don't think the 18 to 25 vote will increase much, if at all, as it will be easier to stay in bed, go to the pub, play x box or search tinder instead.
I'll be ashamed of my fellow 18-25 year olds if so.
Canterbury is a safe Tory seat despite the population being 70% students. Fact is not enough of us vote.
Spend time night mobilising them. Do they still have the chat room UKC Misc. spread the word
Never heard of it so doubt it. As much as I've tried I just don't think young people are that interested.
It was a distraction when studying in the library and Rutherford in the run up to exams
Ahh Rutherford. Those were the days. That lovely building designed by a prison architect.
I don't think the 18 to 25 vote will increase much, if at all, as it will be easier to stay in bed, go to the pub, play x box or search tinder instead.
I'll be ashamed of my fellow 18-25 year olds if so.
Canterbury is a safe Tory seat despite the population being 70% students. Fact is not enough of us vote.
How can it be 70%? That would imply nearly 50,000 students...
Has there been active campaigns in the Unis to get students to vote? And how succesful do people think they have been?
Not really. There have been maybe more than usual social media campaigns but there have been no stalls on campus which I find very odd. Even for local elections they usually have stands. I really don't think that many more students will vote at all.
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The Tories - the party of the powerful, pompous and privileged - has overseen austerity, welfare cuts and job insecurity to many, whilst offering plentiful assistance to the wealthy...and will seek to do more of the same.
A plea to the frustrated young voter: This is a pivotal moment in British politics.
Leave your Twitters for an hour, get up to your polling station and vote for what you know to be honest, decent and true. If enough do so, the potential to change society for the better might be realised.
That's me decided then.
***** get real people *****
The top 5% of earners pay almost half of all tax collected in the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39923783
If that's plentiful assistance, I dread to think what your idea of fair would be.......
Sounds like you're not the only one, it's been a bit of a widespread problem.
It's IMO far less of an issue that the private finance initiatives agreed by the Blair/Brown administration. They were basically: say to a developer 'you build us a hospital/school worth 30m and we will give you 150m over the next 30 years'. That is the biggest disaster and the biggest threat to the NHS in my opinion.
-hospitals are so desperate for cash that they no longer have a real choice
-bribed with public money to sell off quickly and cheaply
-hospitals that are still in a position to refuse can be punished for non-compliance (by restricting funding).
That's without the potential that they might go well beyond their remit and start selling areas that aren't truly surplus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40184826
Dammit I wasn't supposed to be getting into debate on policies. I lasted so many months not dipping into this thread!
I am grateful for this election because I have seen the power of influence - I was anti Corbyn to begin with - but now I would follow him wherever he leads me. It is so refreshing to see a politician that says things that he knows will be twisted and used against him, but he does it because it is right. If Labour hold their nerve his time will come. We will have to put up with 5 shitty years in the meantime but Rome wasn't built in a day. The people who have found a voice will have worked out the betrayal by then. It will be the wrong reason to vote - against the ruling party rather than the party that will give them a better life, but the outcome will be the same.
I had intended to pay for priority mail or a courier this time but can't even do that without the papers.
The problem is it still houses many departments and carries out thousands of day Surgery's and planned operations. It is used by many people and stops the flow to the already well overstretched main hospital in the area.
They have said that it will not close until a number of small health centres are built and opened in the area. Problem is nobody's seen plans for these centres and has no idea where they will be. And knowing the Tories penchant for talking bollocks,they will more than likely not be built at all.
The witch of an MP for this constituency has done nothing to stand up to the soon to be built Thames crossing that will rip through the borough causing unimaginable health issues in the long term. And by closing hospitals like this sufferers will have to wait god knows how long to get any sort of treatment..