@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
they cut the police when 2 terrorist attacks hadnt happened 10 days apart and innocent people out for a pint were butchered to death, putting 10,000 on the beat police officers just means more targets, the same amount of money spent on inteligence and defence experts ( even brought in from abroad ) would be better spent, in recent months i have had dealings with the london met community support officers and tbh they are next to useless, was only a petty crime but left me extremely pissed off - nothing to do with cuts, just bullshit paperwork getting in the way.
I agree with Damo this thread has been enlightening, educational and, on the most part very respectful of others. Well played fellow addicts. I have just voted and I hope that there is a big turnout by people to vote, and I respect people's right to vote how they see fit, but for the life of me I really dont understand how the working man can vote for more Tory austerity and lies on the back of their last 7 years record and absolutely nothing in their manifesto.....but hey ho at least in this country we get a choice to choose for the many not the few, many countries don't!
If you got bored half way through those and just scrolled past, the key points:
-she was the first black female MP. -she has a working class background – dad was a welder, mum was a nurse
-she went to Cambridge to study history in the 70s -in 2017, the same Uni still has only 15 black students
-she was working for the home office by age 22/23 -by 24/25, she was race relations officer at National Councilfor Civil Liberties
-in 2008, her speech on civil liberties won parliament speech of the year -she was brought into cabinet by Miliband in 2010 working to protect public health -in 2011, the Telegraph said she was one of Labours best frontbenchers
Political controversies
Education of Abbott's son Edit Abbott's decision in 2003 to send her son to the private City of London School after criticising colleagues for sending their children to selective schools, which she herself described as "indefensible" and "intellectually incoherent", caused controversy and criticism.[61][62][63][64]
Her son contacted a radio phone-in to say that his mother was following his own wishes: "She's not a hypocrite, she just put what I wanted first instead of what people thought," he told LBC. He added that he had wanted to go private rather than attend a local state school in Abbott's Hackney constituency.[65][66][67]
Register of Members' Interests Edit In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of £17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[68]
Comments on race Edit In a 1984 interview with the journal of the Labour Committee on Ireland (LCI), when asked if she saw herself as Black British, Abbott replied "No - I would self-define myself just as Black. Though I was born here in London, I couldn't identify as British and anyway most British people don't accept us as British. God! British people can be so racist".[69][70]
In 1988, Abbott claimed at a black studies conference in Philadelphia that "the British invented racism."[71]
In 1996, Abbott was criticised after she claimed that at her local hospital "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" were unsuitable as nurses because they had "never met a black person before".[72] Abbott's apology came as Marc Wadsworth, executive member of the Anti-Racist Alliance, who is half-Finnish, pointed out that the current Miss Finland, Lola Odusoga, is black, of Nigerian and Finnish descent. "She's a black Finn like me," he said. Abbott's position was supported by fellow Labour MP Bernie Grant: "Bringing someone here from Finland who has never seen a black person before and expecting them to have to have some empathy with black people is nonsense. Scandinavian people don't know black people—they probably don't know how to take their temperature".[73][74]
On 4 January 2012, Abbott tweeted that: "White people love playing 'divide and rule' We should not play their game", which again led to widespread criticism including accusations of racism.[75] Only after being told by the Labour Party leadership that the comment was unacceptable did she apologise for "any offence caused", claiming that she had not intended to "make generalisations about white people".[76][77] The Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg called her comments a "stupid and crass generalisation". Nadhim Zahawi, Conservative MP, said: "This is racism. If this was a white member of Parliament saying that all black people want to do bad things to us he would have resigned within the hour or been sacked."[78] Members of the public lodged complaints but the Metropolitan Police stated that no investigation would be launched and no charges would be brought against her, saying she "did not commit a criminal offence."[79]
In January 2012 Abbott suggested that taxi drivers discriminate on racial grounds, tweeting that she was "Dubious of black people claiming they’ve never experienced racism. Ever tried hailing a taxi I always wonder?"[80]
In a Guardian article in February 2017, Abbott wrote about receiving racist and sexist abuse online every day.[81] Soon afterwards, in an interview with Sophy Ridge on Sky News, Abbott proposed a parliamentary inquiry into the sexist and racist abuse of MPs in social media and the way Twitter and Facebook investigate cases which arise.[82]
IRA The Sunday Times in May 2017 reported that Abbott backed the IRA in a 1984 interview with Labour and Ireland, a pro-republican journal.[69][83] In the 1984 interview, Abbott criticised the Unionist population of Northern Ireland as an “enclave of white supremacist ideology comparable to white settlers in Zimbabwe" and called for their views to be ignored on the question of Unification adding "Ireland is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed".[69][70]
In May 2017, while Shadow Home Secretary, she was asked several times by Andrew Marr if she regretted the comments but she would only say some of her views had changed, like her hairstyle. She told Marr: "It was 34 years ago and I've moved on".[84]
She wanted to do something about experiencing discrimination and racism? What a terrible human being. Definitely belongs under the controversy section.
Despite May being a no show, there being no costings in their manifesto and only offering more cuts to the Police, NHS, to anyone in fact but the rich the Tories will, I predict, get a bigger majority.
And that is because even though Labour had clearer, costed policies and wanted to save the NHS, increase police numbers and cut tuition fees (all things that should be vote winners) they had Corbyn.
He was an electoral liability from the start and most of his MPs knew it which is why they wanted him gone.
Any decent, non- far left, non-Hamas/IRA supporting leader would have had a real chance to damage May, a weak leader with a poor record and only sound bites to offer.
Predictions? 91 seat conservative majority for me as a prediction, not based on any bias. But could obviously see it going way one way or the other. Tough one to call. No one can claim that they're all he same this time round.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
She wanted to do something about experiencing discrimination and racism? What a terrible human being. Definitely belongs under the controversy section.
The best way to do that is to be hateful towards the other race, seems legit.
Despite May being a no show, there being no costings in their manifesto and only offering more cuts to the Police, NHS, to anyone in fact but the rich the Tories will, I predict, get a bigger majority.
And that is because even though Labour had clearer, costed policies and wanted to save the NHS, increase police numbers and cut tuition fees (all things that should be vote winners) they had Corbyn.
He was an electoral liability from the start and most of his MPs knew it which is why they wanted him gone.
Any decent, non- far left, Hamas/IRA supporting leader would have had a real chance to damage May, a weak leader with a poor record and only sound bites to offer.
Roll on the new centre left party.
Are you missing a'non' ? Otherwise I completely agree.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
If you believe the Tories are going to halt immigration, after 2 elections where they said the same thing and then did nothing about it, then you're beyond help.
Most Tories are stakeholders in businesses reliant on cheap immigrant labour. They will do exactly what they need to do to keep lining their pockets. Also whilst cutting security and police that is making us all less safe (Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Tory cuts to the police are somehow making us more safe but it is definitely untrue).
Well 2600 posts and i dip my toe back on this thread.
None of the parties speak for me.
I voted Brexit so could never have voted Lib Dem.
I don't want the country bankrupt or run by total incompetents. Corbyn has no idea of how much his stance of Brexit negotiations will mean that the EU will wipe the floor with him, so can't vote Labour.
I hate what is happening to our NHS and the thought of Fox hunting becoming legitimate once more. May seems to have little in the way of a plan and is badly advised, so I can't see myself voting Tory. No change there then.
All the others are irrelevant loons. Perhaps I should have included Lib Dems in this bit too.
I am pleased for those who are so sure of who to put your cross next to.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
If you believe the Tories are going to halt immigration, after 2 elections where they said the same thing and then did nothing about it, then you're beyond help.
Most Tories are stakeholders in businesses reliant on cheap immigrant labour. They will do exactly what they need to do to keep lining their pockets. Also whilst cutting security and police that is making us all less safe (Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Tory cuts to the police are somehow making us more safe but it is definitely untrue).
police is a broad spectrum, correct policing - great, bobbies on the street is very backwards thinking, and what about mr corbyns plans as there so amazing what will happen under him.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
If you believe the Tories are going to halt immigration, after 2 elections where they said the same thing and then did nothing about it, then you're beyond help.
Most Tories are stakeholders in businesses reliant on cheap immigrant labour. They will do exactly what they need to do to keep lining their pockets. Also whilst cutting security and police that is making us all less safe (Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Tory cuts to the police are somehow making us more safe but it is definitely untrue).
police is a broad spectrum, correct policing - great, bobbies on the street is very backwards thinking, and what about mr corbyns plans as there so amazing what will happen under him.
Paris had police on the street, hence how they managed to stop an attack instantly.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
Labour's manifesto literally says that there will be controls on migration but of course I'm sure the Daily Mail have told you otherwise.
Will vote later. Then have a long afternoon and evening sleep so as to follow the first few hours of results. My choice is between The Millwall lady Dope smoking tuition fee liar Nutty fundamentalist Christian Ukuleles for children Nuclear war. Nuclear war killing everybody except the British. Trees and bicycles.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
If you believe the Tories are going to halt immigration, after 2 elections where they said the same thing and then did nothing about it, then you're beyond help.
Most Tories are stakeholders in businesses reliant on cheap immigrant labour. They will do exactly what they need to do to keep lining their pockets. Also whilst cutting security and police that is making us all less safe (Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Tory cuts to the police are somehow making us more safe but it is definitely untrue).
police is a broad spectrum, correct policing - great, bobbies on the street is very backwards thinking, and what about mr corbyns plans as there so amazing what will happen under him.
Paris had police on the street, hence how they managed to stop an attack instantly.
so there going to have 10,000 armed police overnight are they.
Yes, that's been doing the rounds on Fcaebook. As per usual, some on the left seem not to grasp that it is a little weird complaining about personal abuse while using, oh, personal abuse. (I'm still not voting.)
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
Labour's manifesto literally says that there will be controls on migration but of course I'm sure the Daily Mail have told you otherwise.
talk is cheap
and that is from the left independant fyi @se9addick
Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, has said if he wins the general election his administration would deliver a “fair” immigration policy, but refused to be drawn on whether he would bring down the numbers coming into the country.
@MuttleyCAFC i am voting for my future and one that will see me alive with a proper anti-terror policing, thats why im voting tories
The same Tories who cut police and security and then boasted that stopping 5 out of 8 attacks this year was a good record and that the police are crying wolf over cuts?
5 more years of Tories is 5 more years of Manchesters, London Bridges, Westminsters etc.
beg to differ pal, whats corbyn soloution - more uncontrolled immigration - cos that will drop the terrorism/crime levels.
If you believe the Tories are going to halt immigration, after 2 elections where they said the same thing and then did nothing about it, then you're beyond help.
Most Tories are stakeholders in businesses reliant on cheap immigrant labour. They will do exactly what they need to do to keep lining their pockets. Also whilst cutting security and police that is making us all less safe (Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Tory cuts to the police are somehow making us more safe but it is definitely untrue).
police is a broad spectrum, correct policing - great, bobbies on the street is very backwards thinking, and what about mr corbyns plans as there so amazing what will happen under him.
Paris had police on the street, hence how they managed to stop an attack instantly.
so there going to have 10,000 armed police overnight are they.
Is English your first language or are you just a victim of Tory education cuts?
Will vote later. Then have a long afternoon and evening sleep so as to follow the first few hours of results. My choice is between The Millwall lady Dope smoking tuition fee liar Nutty fundamentalist Christian Ukuleles for children Nuclear war. Nuclear war killing everybody except the British. Trees and bicycles.
Comments
I have just voted and I hope that there is a big turnout by people to vote, and I respect people's right to vote how they see fit, but for the life of me I really dont understand how the working man can vote for more Tory austerity and lies on the back of their last 7 years record and absolutely nothing in their manifesto.....but hey ho at least in this country we get a choice to choose for the many not the few, many countries don't!
Political controversies
Education of Abbott's son Edit
Abbott's decision in 2003 to send her son to the private City of London School after criticising colleagues for sending their children to selective schools, which she herself described as "indefensible" and "intellectually incoherent", caused controversy and criticism.[61][62][63][64]
Her son contacted a radio phone-in to say that his mother was following his own wishes: "She's not a hypocrite, she just put what I wanted first instead of what people thought," he told LBC. He added that he had wanted to go private rather than attend a local state school in Abbott's Hackney constituency.[65][66][67]
Register of Members' Interests Edit
In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of £17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[68]
Comments on race Edit
In a 1984 interview with the journal of the Labour Committee on Ireland (LCI), when asked if she saw herself as Black British, Abbott replied "No - I would self-define myself just as Black. Though I was born here in London, I couldn't identify as British and anyway most British people don't accept us as British. God! British people can be so racist".[69][70]
In 1988, Abbott claimed at a black studies conference in Philadelphia that "the British invented racism."[71]
In 1996, Abbott was criticised after she claimed that at her local hospital "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" were unsuitable as nurses because they had "never met a black person before".[72] Abbott's apology came as Marc Wadsworth, executive member of the Anti-Racist Alliance, who is half-Finnish, pointed out that the current Miss Finland, Lola Odusoga, is black, of Nigerian and Finnish descent. "She's a black Finn like me," he said. Abbott's position was supported by fellow Labour MP Bernie Grant: "Bringing someone here from Finland who has never seen a black person before and expecting them to have to have some empathy with black people is nonsense. Scandinavian people don't know black people—they probably don't know how to take their temperature".[73][74]
On 4 January 2012, Abbott tweeted that: "White people love playing 'divide and rule' We should not play their game", which again led to widespread criticism including accusations of racism.[75] Only after being told by the Labour Party leadership that the comment was unacceptable did she apologise for "any offence caused", claiming that she had not intended to "make generalisations about white people".[76][77] The Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg called her comments a "stupid and crass generalisation". Nadhim Zahawi, Conservative MP, said: "This is racism. If this was a white member of Parliament saying that all black people want to do bad things to us he would have resigned within the hour or been sacked."[78] Members of the public lodged complaints but the Metropolitan Police stated that no investigation would be launched and no charges would be brought against her, saying she "did not commit a criminal offence."[79]
In January 2012 Abbott suggested that taxi drivers discriminate on racial grounds, tweeting that she was "Dubious of black people claiming they’ve never experienced racism. Ever tried hailing a taxi I always wonder?"[80]
In a Guardian article in February 2017, Abbott wrote about receiving racist and sexist abuse online every day.[81] Soon afterwards, in an interview with Sophy Ridge on Sky News, Abbott proposed a parliamentary inquiry into the sexist and racist abuse of MPs in social media and the way Twitter and Facebook investigate cases which arise.[82]
IRA
The Sunday Times in May 2017 reported that Abbott backed the IRA in a 1984 interview with Labour and Ireland, a pro-republican journal.[69][83] In the 1984 interview, Abbott criticised the Unionist population of Northern Ireland as an “enclave of white supremacist ideology comparable to white settlers in Zimbabwe" and called for their views to be ignored on the question of Unification adding "Ireland is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed".[69][70]
In May 2017, while Shadow Home Secretary, she was asked several times by Andrew Marr if she regretted the comments but she would only say some of her views had changed, like her hairstyle. She told Marr: "It was 34 years ago and I've moved on".[84]
Like, no
lol, no
Whataboutery, bingo
And that is because even though Labour had clearer, costed policies and wanted to save the NHS, increase police numbers and cut tuition fees (all things that should be vote winners) they had Corbyn.
He was an electoral liability from the start and most of his MPs knew it which is why they wanted him gone.
Any decent, non- far left, non-Hamas/IRA supporting leader would have had a real chance to damage May, a weak leader with a poor record and only sound bites to offer.
Roll on the new centre left party.
Most Tories are stakeholders in businesses reliant on cheap immigrant labour. They will do exactly what they need to do to keep lining their pockets. Also whilst cutting security and police that is making us all less safe (Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Tory cuts to the police are somehow making us more safe but it is definitely untrue).
None of the parties speak for me.
I voted Brexit so could never have voted Lib Dem.
I don't want the country bankrupt or run by total incompetents. Corbyn has no idea of how much his stance of Brexit negotiations will mean that the EU will wipe the floor with him, so can't vote Labour.
I hate what is happening to our NHS and the thought of Fox hunting becoming legitimate once more. May seems to have little in the way of a plan and is badly advised, so I can't see myself voting Tory. No change there then.
All the others are irrelevant loons. Perhaps I should have included Lib Dems in this bit too.
I am pleased for those who are so sure of who to put your cross next to.
My choice is between
The Millwall lady
Dope smoking tuition fee liar
Nutty fundamentalist Christian
Ukuleles for children
Nuclear war.
Nuclear war killing everybody except the British.
Trees and bicycles.
(I'm still not voting.)
and that is from the left independant fyi @se9addick
Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, has said if he wins the general election his administration would deliver a “fair” immigration policy, but refused to be drawn on whether he would bring down the numbers coming into the country.