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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Where are the Charlton Life Tory voters ?

    We can see you creeping out.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Where are the Charlton Life Tory voters ?

    We can see you creeping out.

    Waiting for Abbott to get her sums wrong again.
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    we're all counting our offshore money :wink:
  • Addickted4life
    Addickted4life Posts: 7,467
    edited November 2017
    Rob7Lee said:

    we're all counting our offshore money :wink:

    I dunno I'm busy counting Lord Ashcroft's dear's:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMBXARpIqME
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255
    Yet again watching the news on the Brexit saboteur bbc tonight, how the hell are they still standing.
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    4.5 years to go yet mate.......
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    Haven't read of any of this but they have to sack that blundering, lazy, fat, oaf whose unfathomable popularity in some parts has seen him appointed, cringinely, as Foreign Secretary. Arrogant, privileged, public school buffoon. It's an insult to the rest of us that he continues to embarrass us on the global stage.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,050
    Patel will be gone in the morning. Two more undisclosed & unauthorised meetings with Israeli officials, since she got back from her (working) holiday. At least one took place in parliament and she mis-led May about both.

    Apparently she wants to be PM! I am astounded at how far some people believe in their importance, when all evidence points to the fact that have absolutely no leadership qualities at all.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Hope Patel gets the boot. One of those sneering Tories that really get my back up.
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    edited November 2017
    Does anyone else get the feeling that Boris will fly out to Iran, they'll release the poor woman and he'll end up being held up as a hero?

    Obviously I've no wish to see her stay in prison but it would be just typical for BJ to rock up and end up claiming the credit for something he's actually made worse.
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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255
    Callumcafc said:

    Hope Patel gets the boot. One of those sneering Tories that really get my back up.

    100% this. She’s blatantly one of those massive up themselves cow’s you meet in your life who you would immediately take a disliking to

    I can only imagine her own inflated sense of self importance in just about every aspect of her life

    Would love to see her out of the rotting decay that is our cabinet
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    Apparently she took an earlier flight out of the country yesterday which, by happy coincidence, also took her out of the firing line in the House.

    Her and her party are taking us for absolute mugs.
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    edited November 2017
    ...her staff and Liam Fox took the later flight btw. No reports on whether a laundry basket was involved.

    When the Telegraph are reporting this she's toast...or at least should be.
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    Does anyone else get the feeling that Boris will fly out to Iran, they'll release the poor woman and he'll end up being held up as a hero?

    Obviously I've no wish to see her stay in prison but it would be just typical for BJ to rock up and end up claiming the credit for something he's actually made worse.

    I thought that but then wondered what concessions that we (the nation) would have to make to secure it.
  • Chaz Hill
    Chaz Hill Posts: 5,217
    cabbles said:

    Callumcafc said:

    Hope Patel gets the boot. One of those sneering Tories that really get my back up.

    100% this. She’s blatantly one of those massive up themselves cow’s you meet in your life who you would immediately take a disliking to

    I can only imagine her own inflated sense of self importance in just about every aspect of her life

    Would love to see her out of the rotting decay that is our cabinet
    Nadhim Zahawi trying to defend her on C4 news and Newsnight was one of the most puke inducing episodes I have seen in a long time.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    edited November 2017
    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Yet one motivator of Brexit was a desire for so called sovereignty and democracy compared to the EU.
    We wake every day and gaze with increasing incredulity at the behaviour of so many of our elected representatives.
    Sovereigns avoid tax, and politicians serve themselves not the people in this seedy little country.
    The British isles are a great and beautiful place being destroyed by calculating behaviour by those who salivate for power position and influence.
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    Cordoban Addick said:

    Bournemouth Addick said:

    Does anyone else get the feeling that Boris will fly out to Iran, they'll release the poor woman and he'll end up being held up as a hero?

    Obviously I've no wish to see her stay in prison but it would be just typical for BJ to rock up and end up claiming the credit for something he's actually made worse.

    I thought that but then wondered what concessions that we (the nation) would have to make to secure it.
    We've not much to offer agreed but I think they will be looking to secure some support in their ongoing "discussions" with Trumps administration. Can't hurt to have the British Foreign Sec indebted to you when it's one of the few governments likely to have even a modicum of influence over the US.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    edited November 2017
    Fiiish said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
    Casually equivocating the sins of right and left is pretty much every Tory's rhetorical go-to when one of their own has been caught being a cunt
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  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    Oops...she's flying back now.

    Bye, bye Priti.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,050
    Fiiish said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
    Reported in last night's standard and I can see that the Telegraph & Mail also carried it. Convicted in 2006, Marsha-Jane Thompson having attempted to add 100 voter registrations in Newham which she completed and signed herself.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-gives-job-as-campaign-chief-to-leftwinger-guilty-of-voter-fraud-a3684296.html

  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,050
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    Oops...she's flying back now.

    Bye, bye Priti.

    This is actually quite satisfying to watch...





    Now revealed that she also visited the Golan Heights...which U.K. Gov does not recognise!
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    TelMc32 said:

    Fiiish said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
    Reported in last night's standard and I can see that the Telegraph & Mail also carried it. Convicted in 2006, Marsha-Jane Thompson having attempted to add 100 voter registrations in Newham which she completed and signed herself.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-gives-job-as-campaign-chief-to-leftwinger-guilty-of-voter-fraud-a3684296.html

    Well, that's terrible. Within the last 15 years and wrongly enfranchising a whole hundred people in a borough of several hundred thousand. Corbyn should resign instantly. This is probably the worst oversight by a politician since appeasement
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    Leuth said:

    TelMc32 said:

    Fiiish said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
    Reported in last night's standard and I can see that the Telegraph & Mail also carried it. Convicted in 2006, Marsha-Jane Thompson having attempted to add 100 voter registrations in Newham which she completed and signed herself.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-gives-job-as-campaign-chief-to-leftwinger-guilty-of-voter-fraud-a3684296.html

    Well, that's terrible. Within the last 15 years and wrongly enfranchising a whole hundred people in a borough of several hundred thousand. Corbyn should resign instantly. This is probably the worst oversight by a politician since appeasement
    While I agree this is false equivalence, can you not see potential scandal in appointing a person convicted of voter fraud? You looking at the situation so flippantly is as ridiculous as the initial comparison.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    And just like that, we're talking about the sins of the Labour Party instead. It's that easy!
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    TelMc32 said:

    Fiiish said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
    Reported in last night's standard and I can see that the Telegraph & Mail also carried it. Convicted in 2006, Marsha-Jane Thompson having attempted to add 100 voter registrations in Newham which she completed and signed herself.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-gives-job-as-campaign-chief-to-leftwinger-guilty-of-voter-fraud-a3684296.html

    Thanks.

    I have no initial problem with this. Happened over 11 years ago, conviction is spent and she has been quite open with her past and has not been involved in any transgressions since. Should she have been given a lifelong ban from all public activities or do we believe in a society of rehabilitation and redemption? Should the ex Bullingdon lot be banned from Parliament due to their activities?
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    Leuth said:

    And just like that, we're talking about the sins of the Labour Party instead. It's that easy!

    Absolute nonsense.
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    Fiiish said:

    TelMc32 said:

    Fiiish said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    She'll be sacked soon and then onto the next calamity within our political system and people.

    If it's not Boris putting his size 12's in it, Corbyn employing convicted fraudsters or all manner of politicians being accused of inappropriate behaviour. The whole system grates on my nerves most of the time. I'm sure there are very good and honest politicians but they don't seem to be showing their faces an awful lot right now.....

    Can you elaborate on the Corbyn charge? Can't find any recent news on this one.
    Reported in last night's standard and I can see that the Telegraph & Mail also carried it. Convicted in 2006, Marsha-Jane Thompson having attempted to add 100 voter registrations in Newham which she completed and signed herself.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-gives-job-as-campaign-chief-to-leftwinger-guilty-of-voter-fraud-a3684296.html

    Thanks.

    I have no initial problem with this. Happened over 11 years ago, conviction is spent and she has been quite open with her past and has not been involved in any transgressions since. Should she have been given a lifelong ban from all public activities or do we believe in a society of rehabilitation and redemption? Should the ex Bullingdon lot be banned from Parliament due to their activities?
    It's actually a well timed appointment - nothing more. All other things being equal, the optics of this appointment are poor. However among a Tory public implosion, it's not even headline news in three conservative news vehicles.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Well that’s going to be two senior cabinet ministers gone within a week. One because she can’t be trusted to act within the confines of the role and speak the truth and one because....well he just can’t be trusted.

    That’s even before we have the full blown goon show hosted by Boris (Eccles) Johnson who quite frankly wouldn’t be near the Foreign & Commonwealth Office under any other Prime Minister In history but as we all know Eccles packs a gun at least as big as our current PM who looks more embarrassed and embarrassing on a daily basis.

    Where are those 47 signatures when needed and just who from the Tory big hitters will stick their head above the parapet. Johnson certainly and Moggy will be goaded into it. Leadsom will fancy her chances and it will give her another chance to lie about her CV.

    When in history has this country been so poorly served by its political classes.

    You can smell the end of John Major wafting back into the corridors of power.

    Great fun.
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