Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
Corbyn once again spins around in a circle and wildly and vainly kicks out towards the ball and completely misses and falls over when presented with an open goal this pmq’s. Seems to be more and more of a weekly occurance the worse this Tory government gets.
Don't know what he done this time but in part it's why his ratings are falling with the public. He may have been the saviour of Labour but he may actually be the demise to.
'How do the Tories need to change' - Answer - very little right now, as despite being the worst government for some years and having issue after issue they somehow are holding their own or leading some polls and Auntie T seems to beating him hands down for popularity.
just completely failing to nail this government to the cross. The government is very much on the ropes and, in all honesty needs a little nudge for the whole thing to come toppling over. Three line whip on windrush ffs.
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Strange? Really? To recognize we live in an interdependent world where collaboration and cooperation is not only desireable but necessary? The Tory woman presented the small government concept to me as her aspiration. I accept you think I am strange, but I think your reaction is stranger. Perhaps you can enlighten me and explain what Tory ideology is.
No, its strange you think it is 'Tory' aspiration and not 'British' aspiration. Why sub divide unnecessarily?
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Strange? Really? To recognize we live in an interdependent world where collaboration and cooperation is not only desireable but necessary? The Tory woman presented the small government concept to me as her aspiration. I accept you think I am strange, but I think your reaction is stranger. Perhaps you can enlighten me and explain what Tory ideology is.
No, its strange you think it is 'Tory' aspiration and not 'British' aspiration. Why sub divide unnecessarily?
So it's everyone's aspiration to live in a gated community and have goods brought to us at our beck and call? With every service privatised and every mod con provided?
So who brings the goods? Who staffs the services?
Oh, I see. The little people. Fuck them though, right?
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Strange? Really? To recognize we live in an interdependent world where collaboration and cooperation is not only desireable but necessary? The Tory woman presented the small government concept to me as her aspiration. I accept you think I am strange, but I think your reaction is stranger. Perhaps you can enlighten me and explain what Tory ideology is.
No, its strange you think it is 'Tory' aspiration and not 'British' aspiration. Why sub divide unnecessarily?
So it's everyone's aspiration to live in a gated community and have goods brought to us at our beck and call? With every service privatised and every mod con provided?
So who brings the goods? Who staffs the services?
Oh, I see. The little people. Fuck them though, right?
When the entire working-class is robots, you realise that we don't have a serf economy any more but a rather strange form of communism, right? There's no poverty at stake any more
May has today ordered a three line whip to stop Tory MPs voting to allow Windrush related correspondence to be seen by the select committee.
Not exactly a national security threat, so pretty clearly a case of the government wanting to bury it's dirty secrets at a time when aniother scandal might mean they have to replace their leader. Really laughable party - do thyey actually have any policies any more beyond desperately clinging to power?
When the entire working-class is robots, you realise that we don't have a serf economy any more but a rather strange form of communism, right? There's no poverty at stake any more
iirc correctly its technological socialism. And although marx was an important socialist thinker, i wouldn't class it as marxist communism.
When the entire working-class is robots, you realise that we don't have a serf economy any more but a rather strange form of communism, right? There's no poverty at stake any more
iirc correctly its technological socialism. And although marx was an important socialist thinker, i wouldn't class it as marxist communism.
That's probably fair.
We're a long way off it though. In the meantime I'd prefer a society that doesn't rely on an exploitation dynamic
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Strange? Really? To recognize we live in an interdependent world where collaboration and cooperation is not only desireable but necessary? The Tory woman presented the small government concept to me as her aspiration. I accept you think I am strange, but I think your reaction is stranger. Perhaps you can enlighten me and explain what Tory ideology is.
No, its strange you think it is 'Tory' aspiration and not 'British' aspiration. Why sub divide unnecessarily?
So it's everyone's aspiration to live in a gated community and have goods brought to us at our beck and call? With every service privatised and every mod con provided?
So who brings the goods? Who staffs the services?
Oh, I see. The little people. Fuck them though, right?
Like you have never used online shopping or Amazon. Or had gates on your school or live in as nice an area as you can? Do you live with no mod cons? Really? Keep twisting. Glad for you if you really believe, as was stated, that it is only 'Tories' (which ones - occasional voters or the ultras?) who have these aspirations. LOL
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
I met a Tory once who didnt aspire to those things. Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
Corbyn once again spins around in a circle and wildly and vainly kicks out towards the ball and completely misses and falls over when presented with an open goal this pmq’s. Seems to be more and more of a weekly occurance the worse this Tory government gets.
Don't know what he done this time but in part it's why his ratings are falling with the public. He may have been the saviour of Labour but he may actually be the demise to.
'How do the Tories need to change' - Answer - very little right now, as despite being the worst government for some years and having issue after issue they somehow are holding their own or leading some polls and Auntie T seems to beating him hands down for popularity.
By way of a caution. What were the opinion polls saying before the 2017 general election ?
@A-R-T-H-U-R my illustration was about trying to find out what Tory ideology was or is. The examples I gave were in response to the 'small government' 'ideology' expressed to me by the Tory candidate who called, they were extrapolations from what she said. The question remains open though, what is Tory ideology? You say that the 'sealed off' examples I gave are what everybody would really want if they could have it regardless of politics, but unsurprisingly I don't agree with you. I think that whether we like it or not we share the same streets and fields, breathe the same air, live on the same planet as others, and are de facto in a social environment. The technicalities of a socialist approach are details that can be argued over and debated, but a political ideology that we are all in this together as expressed by Labour for example, is one most people can understand. If there is an equivalent ideology in Toryism then what is is? If it is one that denies the existence and vagaries of the world around us, then it is one I don't recognise as in any way realistic or desirable.
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
I met a Tory once who didnt aspire to those things. Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
Ive just arksed 10 Tories in my office and none aspire to those things either, so that's 1, 2, 3,,,, err 11 so far
I would hope Labourites aspire to wealth, health and prosperity for themselves and their families of course, but also a fairer more compassionate society where there are richer and poorer people, but the gap is not a ridiculous and ever widening chasm. I'm pretty sure they don't want gated communities protected by private police forces and everything else privatised including health and education.
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
I met a Tory once who didnt aspire to those things. Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
But didn't you ask if they did? I think you might be arguing with yourself!
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
I met a Tory once who didnt aspire to those things. Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
Ive just arksed 10 Tories in my office and none aspire to those things either, so that's 1, 2, 3,,,, err 11 so far
I don't think I have worked with 10 people in my entire life who would admit to voting Tory.
As said above @A-R-T-H-U-R asked the original question, looks like you 'non-Tories' are getting your wires crossed and are trying to start an argument where none exists.
Incidentally as the 'peoples admin' person could you ensure people use this thread to discuss "How do the Tories need to change?".
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
I met a Tory once who didnt aspire to those things. Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
Ive just arksed 10 Tories in my office and none aspire to those things either, so that's 1, 2, 3,,,, err 11 so far
I don't think I have worked with 10 people in my entire life who would admit to voting Tory.
As said above @A-R-T-H-U-R asked the original question, looks like you 'non-Tories' are getting your wires crossed and are trying to start an argument where none exists.
Incidentally as the 'peoples admin' person could you ensure people use this thread to discuss "How do the Tories need to change?".
There's normally 26, but 16 of em are outside picketing the revolving doors on strike
Tory aspiration is to my mind: Gated communities, private security, private schools, private health, goods delivered, uber from door to door, look after number one in a world of 'small government '. If I am wrong then what do Tories stand for?
Are you seriously saying Labourites don't aspire to exactly the same list?
Maybe even a few Liberal Democrats, but this is just a strange insight into your mind if you think it is only a Tory aspiration.
Not that I would consider myself a 'Labourite' but no I don't aspire to those things.
I met a Tory once who didnt aspire to those things. Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
Ive just arksed 10 Tories in my office and none aspire to those things either, so that's 1, 2, 3,,,, err 11 so far
I don't think I have worked with 10 people in my entire life who would admit to voting Tory.
As said above @A-R-T-H-U-R asked the original question, looks like you 'non-Tories' are getting your wires crossed and are trying to start an argument where none exists.
Incidentally as the 'peoples admin' person could you ensure people use this thread to discuss "How do the Tories need to change?".
There's normally 26, but 16 of em are outside picketing the revolving doors on strike
The list put forward by @seth plum (I think) I thought was an odd list, very odd.
Gated communities? Private Security!?! WTF? Goods delivered and using Uber.......?
None of those sound aspirational to me, or if they are your aspirations i'd say you were a little odd.
Being able to send their children to private school is an aspiration i guess but hardly solely tories, dare I mention the lovely Diane Abbot!?! Last time I looked she didn't aspire to any Tory ideologies....... think she leans slightly more to the left but not 100% sure on that. You can add Shami Chakrabarti to that also, even Corbyn sent his son to a grammar school (appreciate that's not private but is also seen maybe as a Tory 'thing' not a labour 'thing').
If you asked me what I'd like the tories or any governing party to do compared to now the list would be quiet long, I sometimes think we forget about all the good things that go on in our country with all the 'broken Britain' rhetoric, but some things, a lot of things, need sorting for sure (and not necessarily always involving money).
Some of the serious issues of housing and poverty aren't so difficult to sort, things like the NHS are a little more complex due to it's sheer size and repeating myself, complexity.
The list put forward by @seth plum (I think) I thought was an odd list, very odd.
Gated communities? Private Security!?! WTF? Goods delivered and using Uber.......?
None of those sound aspirational to me, or if they are your aspirations i'd say you were a little odd.
Being able to send their children to private school is an aspiration i guess but hardly solely tories, dare I mention the lovely Diane Abbot!?! Last time I looked she didn't aspire to any Tory ideologies....... think she leans slightly more to the left but not 100% sure on that. You can add Shami Chakrabarti to that also, even Corbyn sent his son to a grammar school (appreciate that's not private but is also seen maybe as a Tory 'thing' not a labour 'thing').
If you asked me what I'd like the tories or any governing party to do compared to now the list would be quiet long, I sometimes think we forget about all the good things that go on in our country with all the 'broken Britain' rhetoric, but some things, a lot of things, need sorting for sure (and not necessarily always involving money).
Some of the serious issues of housing and poverty aren't so difficult to sort, things like the NHS are a little more complex due to it's sheer size and repeating myself, complexity.
The list put forward by @seth plum (I think) I thought was an odd list, very odd.
Gated communities? Private Security!?! WTF? Goods delivered and using Uber.......?
None of those sound aspirational to me, or if they are your aspirations i'd say you were a little odd.
Being able to send their children to private school is an aspiration i guess but hardly solely tories, dare I mention the lovely Diane Abbot!?! Last time I looked she didn't aspire to any Tory ideologies....... think she leans slightly more to the left but not 100% sure on that. You can add Shami Chakrabarti to that also, even Corbyn sent his son to a grammar school (appreciate that's not private but is also seen maybe as a Tory 'thing' not a labour 'thing').
If you asked me what I'd like the tories or any governing party to do compared to now the list would be quiet long, I sometimes think we forget about all the good things that go on in our country with all the 'broken Britain' rhetoric, but some things, a lot of things, need sorting for sure (and not necessarily always involving money).
Some of the serious issues of housing and poverty aren't so difficult to sort, things like the NHS are a little more complex due to it's sheer size and repeating myself, complexity.
What are Tory ideologies?
Haven’t got a scooby, I suspect if you ask 10 Tories they’ll all have a different answer. But my mate google’s first stab is:
Economic liberalism & British unionism
Wiki: a political philosophy (Toryism) based on a British version of traditionalism and conservatism, which upholds the supremacy of social order as it has evolved throughout history. The Tory ethos has been summed up with the phrase "God, King, and Country"
The list put forward by @seth plum (I think) I thought was an odd list, very odd.
Gated communities? Private Security!?! WTF? Goods delivered and using Uber.......?
None of those sound aspirational to me, or if they are your aspirations i'd say you were a little odd.
Being able to send their children to private school is an aspiration i guess but hardly solely tories, dare I mention the lovely Diane Abbot!?! Last time I looked she didn't aspire to any Tory ideologies....... think she leans slightly more to the left but not 100% sure on that. You can add Shami Chakrabarti to that also, even Corbyn sent his son to a grammar school (appreciate that's not private but is also seen maybe as a Tory 'thing' not a labour 'thing').
If you asked me what I'd like the tories or any governing party to do compared to now the list would be quiet long, I sometimes think we forget about all the good things that go on in our country with all the 'broken Britain' rhetoric, but some things, a lot of things, need sorting for sure (and not necessarily always involving money).
Some of the serious issues of housing and poverty aren't so difficult to sort, things like the NHS are a little more complex due to it's sheer size and repeating myself, complexity.
What are Tory ideologies?
Haven’t got a scooby, I suspect if you ask 10 Tories they’ll all have a different answer. But my mate google’s first stab is:
Economic liberalism & British unionism
Wiki: a political philosophy (Toryism) based on a British version of traditionalism and conservatism, which upholds the supremacy of social order as it has evolved throughout history. The Tory ethos has been summed up with the phrase "God, King, and Country"
I will accept that stab as well intended. If that stuff is Tory ideology then from what i understand it to be I reject it. I recognise why the Tory establishment want 'the supremacy of social order', it is good for them for the plebs to know their place as they don't want their wealth and power to be challenged, especially challenged philosophically or in terms of morality. As for God, King and Country. My interpretation is that they want to define what 'country' is, and mould it to their will or definition. As an ideology or political philosophy those bits you have dredged up are vapid, and if those ideologies are supposed to be a guide for action then I feel there is no hope.
The Tory ideology that is harder to criticise is financial prudence, fewer barriers to enterprise and wealth creation and a social element to help people who need it allied to a sense of fair play and social justice. There are Conservatives who strongly adhere to these principles today, but unfortunately there are many who follow a more extreme version. The nasty party is not their party but the people who hold the power within the party at the moment. People who always see the worst in people and have an extreme self interest for them and their own. People who are suspicious of change, whatever it may be and however positive it may be.
The reality is that this government has swallowed UKIP whole, with a hard Brexit proposition which it cannot deliver without crashing the economy.
It is an English nationalist party in a coalition with the DUP. You might approve? Millions might approve. But we are moving to a place where the centre right may refuse to prop this nonsense up?
And it is nonsense as we can see from all the gaffes - and that's before we get into how it's perceived from abroad - our future trading partners.
It is only a matter of time before we have a full on vote about the Customs Union - a chance to make Liam Fox and his department redundant. A chance to steer the UK back to the majority view of a soft Brexit.
Some might believe in leaving the CU and SM but the majority do not. And going against the will of the people is not going to end well.
Fortunately the next government can take us back into the Customs Union if we have left. And Labour will stand on that policy which they adopted back in early March. We will see how that plays out in London on Thursday.
Meanwhile Cambridge Analytica has ceased operations. Many won't be aware of the links but they were at the heart of this nationalist alt-right campaigning. In this country and elsewhere.
We live in interesting times. As @ShootersHillGuru states, the Tories will not give up power. However the Customs Union question plus a potential down rating in growth prospects is going to hurt.
As M.Barnier would say, "the clock is ticking"
NB this is a thread about the Tories - they don't need to change. They can't change! Corbyn will have a crack and if he fails then perhaps we will see another third way option appear full of professionals and technocrats looking to straighten things out.
My question to @cafcfan surely the technocratic element is down to Oxbridge elements running the civil service. Or should we follow the path of China and the EU with a permanent technocratic class running things properly?! That's where the Tories used to be in the last century.
The reality is that this government has swallowed UKIP whole, with a hard Brexit proposition which it cannot deliver without crashing the economy.
It is an English nationalist party in a coalition with the DUP. You might approve? Millions might approve. But we are moving to a place where the centre right may refuse to prop this nonsense up?
And it is nonsense as we can see from all the gaffes - and that's before we get into how it's perceived from abroad - our future trading partners.
It is only a matter of time before we have a full on vote about the Customs Union - a chance to make Liam Fox and his department redundant. A chance to steer the UK back to the majority view of a soft Brexit.
Some might believe in leaving the CU and SM but the majority do not. And going against the will of the people is not going to end well.
Fortunately the next government can take us back into the Customs Union if we have left. And Labour will stand on that policy which they adopted back in early March. We will see how that plays out in London on Thursday.
Meanwhile Cambridge Analytica has ceased operations. Many won't be aware of the links but they were at the heart of this nationalist alt-right campaigning. In this country and elsewhere.
We live in interesting times. As @ShootersHillGuru states, the Tories will not give up power. However the Customs Union question plus a potential down rating in growth prospects is going to hurt.
As M.Barnier would say, "the clock is ticking"
NB this is a thread about the Tories - they don't need to change. They can't change! Corbyn will have a crack and if he fails then perhaps we will see another third way option appear full of professionals and technocrats looking to straighten things out.
My question to @cafcfan surely the technocratic element is down to Oxbridge elements running the civil service. Or should we follow the path of China and the EU with a permanent technocratic class running things properly?! That's where the Tories used to be in the last century.
I don't know enough about the civil service to answer your question. The only high level one I've met was Gus O'Donnell who was the head honcho under Blair, Brown and Cameron. He seemed like a top bloke to me, was easy to get on with and hails from Sarf London to boot. He's now in the Lords of course, sitting as a crossbencher. Previously nicknamed GOD because of his initials (mainly) his elevation to the peerage improved on that - he's now Lord GOD, which is quite amusing.
I wonder (but don't know) whether the relatively poor pay in the civil service and the relatively high pay available in The City and elsewhere means that in recent years the civil service has suffered from a lack of availability of real talent. In the past, the difference was less and the attractive civil service pension often topped up some of the difference. But now? Are there the individuals of the appropriate calibre? Perhaps recruitment is tricky; certainly whole tranches of Whitehall seem to be quite poorly run these days. And, of course, with the usual churn of ministers in reshuffles, resignations, change of Govt. etc they are vitally important.
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Why sub divide unnecessarily?
So who brings the goods? Who staffs the services?
Oh, I see. The little people. Fuck them though, right?
We're a long way off it though. In the meantime I'd prefer a society that doesn't rely on an exploitation dynamic
Or had gates on your school or live in as nice an area as you can?
Do you live with no mod cons? Really?
Keep twisting.
Glad for you if you really believe, as was stated, that it is only 'Tories' (which ones - occasional voters or the ultras?) who have these aspirations. LOL
Looks like the idea is blown out of the water then.
The examples I gave were in response to the 'small government' 'ideology' expressed to me by the Tory candidate who called, they were extrapolations from what she said.
The question remains open though, what is Tory ideology?
You say that the 'sealed off' examples I gave are what everybody would really want if they could have it regardless of politics, but unsurprisingly I don't agree with you.
I think that whether we like it or not we share the same streets and fields, breathe the same air, live on the same planet as others, and are de facto in a social environment.
The technicalities of a socialist approach are details that can be argued over and debated, but a political ideology that we are all in this together as expressed by Labour for example, is one most people can understand. If there is an equivalent ideology in Toryism then what is is? If it is one that denies the existence and vagaries of the world around us, then it is one I don't recognise as in any way realistic or desirable.
As said above @A-R-T-H-U-R asked the original question, looks like you 'non-Tories' are getting your wires crossed and are trying to start an argument where none exists.
Incidentally as the 'peoples admin' person could you ensure people use this thread to discuss "How do the Tories need to change?".
Gated communities? Private Security!?! WTF? Goods delivered and using Uber.......?
None of those sound aspirational to me, or if they are your aspirations i'd say you were a little odd.
Being able to send their children to private school is an aspiration i guess but hardly solely tories, dare I mention the lovely Diane Abbot!?! Last time I looked she didn't aspire to any Tory ideologies....... think she leans slightly more to the left but not 100% sure on that. You can add Shami Chakrabarti to that also, even Corbyn sent his son to a grammar school (appreciate that's not private but is also seen maybe as a Tory 'thing' not a labour 'thing').
If you asked me what I'd like the tories or any governing party to do compared to now the list would be quiet long, I sometimes think we forget about all the good things that go on in our country with all the 'broken Britain' rhetoric, but some things, a lot of things, need sorting for sure (and not necessarily always involving money).
Some of the serious issues of housing and poverty aren't so difficult to sort, things like the NHS are a little more complex due to it's sheer size and repeating myself, complexity.
Economic liberalism & British unionism
Wiki: a political philosophy (Toryism) based on a British version of traditionalism and conservatism, which upholds the supremacy of social order as it has evolved throughout history. The Tory ethos has been summed up with the phrase "God, King, and Country"
If that stuff is Tory ideology then from what i understand it to be I reject it.
I recognise why the Tory establishment want 'the supremacy of social order', it is good for them for the plebs to know their place as they don't want their wealth and power to be challenged, especially challenged philosophically or in terms of morality.
As for God, King and Country. My interpretation is that they want to define what 'country' is, and mould it to their will or definition.
As an ideology or political philosophy those bits you have dredged up are vapid, and if those ideologies are supposed to be a guide for action then I feel there is no hope.
It is an English nationalist party in a coalition with the DUP. You might approve? Millions might approve. But we are moving to a place where the centre right may refuse to prop this nonsense up?
And it is nonsense as we can see from all the gaffes - and that's before we get into how it's perceived from abroad - our future trading partners.
It is only a matter of time before we have a full on vote about the Customs Union - a chance to make Liam Fox and his department redundant. A chance to steer the UK back to the majority view of a soft Brexit.
Some might believe in leaving the CU and SM but the majority do not. And going against the will of the people is not going to end well.
Fortunately the next government can take us back into the Customs Union if we have left. And Labour will stand on that policy which they adopted back in early March. We will see how that plays out in London on Thursday.
Meanwhile Cambridge Analytica has ceased operations. Many won't be aware of the links but they were at the heart of this nationalist alt-right campaigning. In this country and elsewhere.
We live in interesting times. As @ShootersHillGuru states, the Tories will not give up power. However the Customs Union question plus a potential down rating in growth prospects is going to hurt.
As M.Barnier would say, "the clock is ticking"
NB this is a thread about the Tories - they don't need to change. They can't change! Corbyn will have a crack and if he fails then perhaps we will see another third way option appear full of professionals and technocrats looking to straighten things out.
My question to @cafcfan surely the technocratic element is down to Oxbridge elements running the civil service. Or should we follow the path of China and the EU with a permanent technocratic class running things properly?! That's where the Tories used to be in the last century.
I wonder (but don't know) whether the relatively poor pay in the civil service and the relatively high pay available in The City and elsewhere means that in recent years the civil service has suffered from a lack of availability of real talent. In the past, the difference was less and the attractive civil service pension often topped up some of the difference. But now? Are there the individuals of the appropriate calibre? Perhaps recruitment is tricky; certainly whole tranches of Whitehall seem to be quite poorly run these days. And, of course, with the usual churn of ministers in reshuffles, resignations, change of Govt. etc they are vitally important.