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The Ashes 2017-18

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  • Or Woakes will!
  • Come on England.
  • Come on England.

    Chill - in the bag...
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Is it me or is it hard to differentiate sometimes between Woakes and Root when they bat together?
  • Take Starc out and this Aussie bowling attack is terrible.

    Great little knock from Woakes here though
  • Come on England.

    Chill - in the bag...
    I prefer it to be in the scorebook to the bag.
  • Woakes sees it home. Come on England!
  • Second to last shot over backward point was an absolute beauty.
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    CHG said:

    270 will be eaten up by this England team.

    Too easy.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Never in doubt.
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  • I know we're 4th in odi rankings, but on current form, England must be the best limited overs team in the world at the moment
  • I know we're 4th in odi rankings, but on current form, England must be the best limited overs team in the world at the moment

    We're the best white ball team in the world, aren't we?

    Make your own points!! :-)
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    edited January 2018
    In 2005 we played Australia in one T20. A number of remarkable aspects from that game:

    We won by 100 runs
    KP got man of the match for scoring 34 off 18 and taking three catches when Collingwood scored 46 off 26 and had bowling figures of 2-0-8-2
    The farcical line up and batting order - that sums up how far we've come in terms of attitude to the shorter form of the game:

    1Trecsothick
    2.Jones
    3.Flintoff
    4.KP
    5.Vaughan (C)
    6.Collingwood
    7.Strauss
    8.Solanki
    9.Lewis
    10.Gough
    11.Harmison

    Vaughan, Strauss and Solanki must have been picked for their specialist fielding!

  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I wonder how many players have made 2 consecutive tons and been on the losing side both times?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    edited January 2018

    In 2005 we played Australia in one T20. A number of remarkable aspects from that game:

    We won by 100 runs
    KP got man of the match for scoring 34 off 18 and taking three catches when Collingwood scored 46 off 26 and had bowling figures of 2-0-8-2
    The farcical line up and batting order - that sums up how far we've come in terms of attitude to the shorter form of the game:

    1Trecsothick
    2.Jones
    3.Flintoff
    4.KP
    5.Vaughan (C)
    6.Collingwood
    7.Strauss
    8.Solanki
    9.Lewis
    10.Gough
    11.Harmison

    Vaughan, Strauss and Solanki must have been picked for their specialist fielding!

    To be fair that was a lot better than the more recent times when we had Cook, Trott and Bell (and Balance often) clogging up the top order and seeing us to barely 100 after 35 overs so we woukd have to spend the whole time catching up.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,849
    But this was T20 Canters - doubt Cook, Froth and Bell (and Balance often) have ever played a T20 for England.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    MrOneLung said:

    But this was T20 Canters - doubt Cook, Froth and Bell (and Balance often) have ever played a T20 for England.

    As remarkable as it seems and as stupid as it now sounds they all did apart from Ballance.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    MrOneLung said:

    But this was T20 Canters - doubt Cook, Froth and Bell (and Balance often) have ever played a T20 for England.

    It was one of the first International T20's and the game hadn't really taken off, it was the first in England. I don't think anything can really be concluded from this except that we thrashed them. This format of "cricket" has totally changed.
  • You watch Root in the ODIs and he looks happy and relaxed, and enjoying being "back in the ranks"...
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Riviera said:

    MrOneLung said:

    But this was T20 Canters - doubt Cook, Froth and Bell (and Balance often) have ever played a T20 for England.

    It was one of the first International T20's and the game hadn't really taken off, it was the first in England. I don't think anything can really be concluded from this except that we thrashed them. This format of "cricket" has totally changed.
    I thought you only liked Test matches ;)
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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280

    You watch Root in the ODIs and he looks happy and relaxed, and enjoying being "back in the ranks"...

    Not out in both, and guided us through - long may it last.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280

    I know we're 4th in odi rankings, but on current form, England must be the best limited overs team in the world at the moment

    I think that with the World Cup being in England next year that we must be starting as favourites.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    India still marginal favourites for me
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Leuth said:

    India still marginal favourites for me

    Wouldn't think so now, Kohli suspect with lateral movement, Dhoni on way out, Ashwin not so effective. England have all the power players now.
  • You watch Root in the ODIs and he looks happy and relaxed, and enjoying being "back in the ranks"...

    Not out in both, and guided us through - long may it last.
    Bowling well also.

    I still wonder if giving the captaincy to Jimmy might have been a better move at this stage of Root's career. Let him concentrate on his batting
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280

    You watch Root in the ODIs and he looks happy and relaxed, and enjoying being "back in the ranks"...

    Not out in both, and guided us through - long may it last.
    Bowling well also.

    I still wonder if giving the captaincy to Jimmy might have been a better move at this stage of Root's career. Let him concentrate on his batting
    Try saying that to Joe.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    We really don't have an obvious captain apart from Root - Cook doesn't want it, typically front line quickies don't do it these days and how long has Jimmy got left anyway, Stokes is a mile away from being handed the job and too much of a hot head, it would be too much for Bairstow as keeper and batsman and no one else is certain of their place.
  • We really don't have an obvious captain apart from Root - Cook doesn't want it, typically front line quickies don't do it these days and how long has Jimmy got left anyway, Stokes is a mile away from being handed the job and too much of a hot head, it would be too much for Bairstow as keeper and batsman and no one else is certain of their place.

    I don't understand why bowlers aren't seen as captains these days

    Batting is the feat which requires great concentration, where the mental energy required from captaincy may take its toll. Bowlers have to think about field placings and the weaknesses of batsmen anyway, so it should come as second nature.

    Jimmy wouldn't be the long term choice, but could have done it for a couple of years.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767

    We really don't have an obvious captain apart from Root - Cook doesn't want it, typically front line quickies don't do it these days and how long has Jimmy got left anyway, Stokes is a mile away from being handed the job and too much of a hot head, it would be too much for Bairstow as keeper and batsman and no one else is certain of their place.

    I don't understand why bowlers aren't seen as captains these days

    Batting is the feat which requires great concentration, where the mental energy required from captaincy may take its toll. Bowlers have to think about field placings and the weaknesses of batsmen anyway, so it should come as second nature.

    Jimmy wouldn't be the long term choice, but could have done it for a couple of years.
    I think part of it is that it's usual for a quickie to be fielding at fine leg or third man - obviously not in Jimmy's case. The batting captain also has no element of bias, either way, when it comes to bringing a bowler on and/or to go for a review. You can imagine what would happen if Broad was captain - he'd be bowling from both ends and be the only one allowed to review.

    The final thing about Jimmy is that whilst he does get in the face of the opposition he is very much an introvert. And introverts tend to lead by example as opposed to leading the team.
  • We really don't have an obvious captain apart from Root - Cook doesn't want it, typically front line quickies don't do it these days and how long has Jimmy got left anyway, Stokes is a mile away from being handed the job and too much of a hot head, it would be too much for Bairstow as keeper and batsman and no one else is certain of their place.

    I don't understand why bowlers aren't seen as captains these days

    Batting is the feat which requires great concentration, where the mental energy required from captaincy may take its toll. Bowlers have to think about field placings and the weaknesses of batsmen anyway, so it should come as second nature.

    Jimmy wouldn't be the long term choice, but could have done it for a couple of years.
    I think part of it is that it's usual for a quickie to be fielding at fine leg or third man - obviously not in Jimmy's case. The batting captain also has no element of bias, either way, when it comes to bringing a bowler on and/or to go for a review. You can imagine what would happen if Broad was captain - he'd be bowling from both ends and be the only one allowed to review.

    The final thing about Jimmy is that whilst he does get in the face of the opposition he is very much an introvert. And introverts tend to lead by example as opposed to leading the team.
    Jimmy has done plenty of radio work over the last few years, so can't that shy, and has been "the leader of the bowler" for many years now. Unlike Broad, I think he can be trusted to think about the team's interests!