Harvey Weinstein
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There are parts of this I agree with, and parts I don't.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Not in England it doesn't and I'm very much doubt Buckshee posted it in that context even if it does. It's short for cuckold as in the husband of a woman who cheats on him.SDAddick said:
Can't wait for you to complain next time someone calls you alt-right.buckshee said:
The definitive “cuck” list .Baldybonce said:
Thankyou SDSDAddick said:There's an element of this story which is being treated as "peculiarly Hollywood." It isn't. This kind of harassment exists in all walks of life in all professions. This should be common knowledge by now.
Here is a good list of things men can do to change their behavior and the world around them. I'm sure at least a couple apply to you, I know they do to me. Bolding the ones I think are applicable to me (these are to varying degrees, some, like talking over women, are blatant, others, like involving women in creative projects and giving them equal credit, or pay women the same, are things I've tried/try to do but feel I could do better).
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/16/a-simple-list-of-things-men-can-do-to-change-our-work-and-life-culture
-Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work.
-Don’t talk over women.
-If you are asked to be on a panel/team and see that it’s all men, say something. Maybe even refuse the spot!
-When you see another guy talk over a woman, say: “Hey, she was saying something.”
-Learn to read a fucking room.
-Don’t call women “crazy” in a professional setting.
-Don’t use your “feminism” as a way to get women to trust you. Show us in your day-to-day life, not in your self-congratulatory social media.
-Don’t touch women you don’t know, and honestly, ask yourself why you feel the need to touch women in general.
-Do you feel that any woman on earth owes you something? She doesn’t. Even if you’re like, “Hm, but what about basic respect?” ask yourself if you’ve shown her the same.
-Don’t send pictures of your penis unless she just asked for them.
-If a woman says no to a date, don’t ask her again.
-If a woman has not given an enthusiastic “yes” to sex, back the hell off.
-If a woman is really drunk, she cannot consent to you and she also cannot consent to your buddy who seems to be trying something. Your buddy is your responsibility, so say something and intervene.
-If you do the right thing, don’t expect praise or payment or a pat on the back or even a “thank you from that woman”. Congratulations, you were baseline decent.
-Involve women in your creative projects, then let them have equal part in them.
-Don’t make misogynistic jokes.
-Don’t expect women to be “nice” or “cute” and don’t get upset when they aren’t those things.
-Don’t make assumptions about a woman’s intelligence, capabilities or desires based on how she dresses.
-Pay women as much as you pay men.
-If a woman tells you that you fucked up, and you feel like shit, don’t put it on that woman to make you feel better. Apologize without qualification and then go away.
-Don’t punish women for witnessing your vulnerability.
-Don’t get defensive when you get called out.
-Don’t need to literally witness a man being horrible in order to believe that he’s horrible. Trust and believe women.
-Don’t use your power to get women’s attention/company/sex/etc.
-Be aware of your inherent power in situations and use it to protect women, especially via talking to other men.
-Stop thinking that because you’re also marginalized or a survivor that you cannot inflict pain or oppress women.
-If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.
-Don’t read a list like this and think that most of these don’t apply to you.
(These also apply to how to better treat transgender and non-binary people, who are in more danger than cis women).
I now feel nicely patronized.
Let me be clear because I don't usually flag people. The term "cuck" has sexist, racist, homophobic, and anti-semitic undertones.
Seriously the level of sensitivity and looking to magnify offence in modern western society is damaging as it dilutes the real issues of racism, sexism, homophobia etc and devalues debate when everything is touted as being offensive for this reason or that reason.
Discrimination against someone on the basis of their skin/ sex/ sexuality is outdated and most would agree abhorrent but the constant highlighting of every minor quip or out of context remark does nothing to engage debate or thought but has the opposite effect of causing many people to switch off.
Moving towards a very grey, bland and corporate soulless world and this sort of shit enables it whilst distracting from the real nub of things that need eradicating. Gives power to the elbow of the real bigots who turn round and use stuff with the "see you can't say anything anymore" rhetoric to garner support from alienated people who have been ostracised for off the cuff comments etc.
Not a dig at you SD as I agree with a hell of a lot of what you post but it gets exasperating but as a white middle class male and ergo the root of all evil in the world today and since the dawn of time I probably would say this.
But regarding the original point, I struggle to believe buckshee would just use that word in a context in which it is used to denote sexism, racism, etc, a type of "beta male," and just accidentally hit the nail on the head. I am also aware of the original meaning, as that is where the modern meaning sprang from. My internet lingo, particularly that of the far right, is not particularly sharp, this just happens to be one I know.
I don't have the context of knowing him, as I don't with literally all of you.-1 -
Then maybe trust those of us that do, you've totally got the wrong end of the stick with buckshee..SDAddick said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Not in England it doesn't and I'm very much doubt Buckshee posted it in that context even if it does. It's short for cuckold as in the husband of a woman who cheats on him.SDAddick said:
Can't wait for you to complain next time someone calls you alt-right.buckshee said:
The definitive “cuck” list .Baldybonce said:
Thankyou SDSDAddick said:There's an element of this story which is being treated as "peculiarly Hollywood." It isn't. This kind of harassment exists in all walks of life in all professions. This should be common knowledge by now.
Here is a good list of things men can do to change their behavior and the world around them. I'm sure at least a couple apply to you, I know they do to me. Bolding the ones I think are applicable to me (these are to varying degrees, some, like talking over women, are blatant, others, like involving women in creative projects and giving them equal credit, or pay women the same, are things I've tried/try to do but feel I could do better).
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/16/a-simple-list-of-things-men-can-do-to-change-our-work-and-life-culture
-Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work.
-Don’t talk over women.
-If you are asked to be on a panel/team and see that it’s all men, say something. Maybe even refuse the spot!
-When you see another guy talk over a woman, say: “Hey, she was saying something.”
-Learn to read a fucking room.
-Don’t call women “crazy” in a professional setting.
-Don’t use your “feminism” as a way to get women to trust you. Show us in your day-to-day life, not in your self-congratulatory social media.
-Don’t touch women you don’t know, and honestly, ask yourself why you feel the need to touch women in general.
-Do you feel that any woman on earth owes you something? She doesn’t. Even if you’re like, “Hm, but what about basic respect?” ask yourself if you’ve shown her the same.
-Don’t send pictures of your penis unless she just asked for them.
-If a woman says no to a date, don’t ask her again.
-If a woman has not given an enthusiastic “yes” to sex, back the hell off.
-If a woman is really drunk, she cannot consent to you and she also cannot consent to your buddy who seems to be trying something. Your buddy is your responsibility, so say something and intervene.
-If you do the right thing, don’t expect praise or payment or a pat on the back or even a “thank you from that woman”. Congratulations, you were baseline decent.
-Involve women in your creative projects, then let them have equal part in them.
-Don’t make misogynistic jokes.
-Don’t expect women to be “nice” or “cute” and don’t get upset when they aren’t those things.
-Don’t make assumptions about a woman’s intelligence, capabilities or desires based on how she dresses.
-Pay women as much as you pay men.
-If a woman tells you that you fucked up, and you feel like shit, don’t put it on that woman to make you feel better. Apologize without qualification and then go away.
-Don’t punish women for witnessing your vulnerability.
-Don’t get defensive when you get called out.
-Don’t need to literally witness a man being horrible in order to believe that he’s horrible. Trust and believe women.
-Don’t use your power to get women’s attention/company/sex/etc.
-Be aware of your inherent power in situations and use it to protect women, especially via talking to other men.
-Stop thinking that because you’re also marginalized or a survivor that you cannot inflict pain or oppress women.
-If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.
-Don’t read a list like this and think that most of these don’t apply to you.
(These also apply to how to better treat transgender and non-binary people, who are in more danger than cis women).
I now feel nicely patronized.
Let me be clear because I don't usually flag people. The term "cuck" has sexist, racist, homophobic, and anti-semitic undertones.
Seriously the level of sensitivity and looking to magnify offence in modern western society is damaging as it dilutes the real issues of racism, sexism, homophobia etc and devalues debate when everything is touted as being offensive for this reason or that reason.
Discrimination against someone on the basis of their skin/ sex/ sexuality is outdated and most would agree abhorrent but the constant highlighting of every minor quip or out of context remark does nothing to engage debate or thought but has the opposite effect of causing many people to switch off.
Moving towards a very grey, bland and corporate soulless world and this sort of shit enables it whilst distracting from the real nub of things that need eradicating. Gives power to the elbow of the real bigots who turn round and use stuff with the "see you can't say anything anymore" rhetoric to garner support from alienated people who have been ostracised for off the cuff comments etc.
Not a dig at you SD as I agree with a hell of a lot of what you post but it gets exasperating but as a white middle class male and ergo the root of all evil in the world today and since the dawn of time I probably would say this.
I don't have the context of knowing him, as I don't with literally all of you.0 -
This might be a fair response if your original post had actually said that. It didn't though, it said that you nearly crashed your car with glee because you'd found another disinterested soul; albeit a disembodied one on the radio.cafcnick1992 said:My comment centered on the media feeding on itself, and otherwise not creating a storm when ordinary people are affected by such issues.
To suggest that I am some incompassionate ape who doesn't care about sexual abuse is a fairly obvious perversion of my post.
I'd have given a like to Curb It's post as well, except that I thought the 'knob' comment at the end was uncalled for. I fully understand why so many reasonable lifers liked it without embarrassment, though.
Twisting the argument now to pretend that your post was about a call for greater balance in reportage doesn't cut any ice. And to suggest that the way to to this is by paying less attention to high profile cases is illogical. The high level of media attention paid to prominent cases helps give ordinary people the permission and courage to speak up about their own.11 -
Is Tom Jones career going downhill?
Why has he waited so long?
Must be after the money and publicity?
How much does he weigh?
Blah blah blah blame the victim blah blah wibble2 -
hot from the press ..
Weinstein accused of beating up his chauffeur ..
J Button came within an inch of chinning Dickie Branson after the latter touched Button's girlfriend's face ..
there are NO innocent people anywhere .. except me0 -
Fairly robust response tbfStig said:
This might be a fair response if your original post had actually said that. It didn't though, it said that you nearly crashed your car with glee because you'd found another disinterested soul; albeit a disembodied one on the radio.cafcnick1992 said:My comment centered on the media feeding on itself, and otherwise not creating a storm when ordinary people are affected by such issues.
To suggest that I am some incompassionate ape who doesn't care about sexual abuse is a fairly obvious perversion of my post.
I'd have given a like to Curb It's post as well, except that I thought the 'knob' comment at the end was uncalled for. I fully understand why so many reasonable lifers liked it without embarrassment, though.
Twisting the argument now to pretend that your post was about a call for greater balance in reportage doesn't cut any ice. And to suggest that the way to to this is by paying less attention to high profile cases is illogical. The high level of media attention paid to prominent cases helps give ordinary people the permission and courage to speak up about their own.4 -
Weinstein bearing up his chauffeur is not surprising at all to me even if these sex crime allegations hadn’t come to light.Lincsaddick said:hot from the press ..
Weinstein accused of beating up his chauffeur ..
J Button came within an inch of chinning Dickie Branson after the latter touched Button's girlfriend's face ..
there are NO innocent people anywhere .. except me0 -
kentaddick said:
Weinstein bearing up his chauffeur is not surprising at all to me even if these sex crime allegations hadn’t come to light.Lincsaddick said:hot from the press ..
Weinstein accused of beating up his chauffeur ..
J Button came within an inch of chinning Dickie Branson after the latter touched Button's girlfriend's face ..
there are NO innocent people anywhere .. except me
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Haha very good! I’ll leave it as it is. Damn autocorrect2
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Having read through this thread, we have some fellas on here who lack so much empathy, understanding and emotional intelligence that it's beyond belief.15
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I don’t even know what emoji intelligence is
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And one Troll who's now been bannedGreenie said:Having read through this thread, we have some fellas on here who lack so much empathy, understanding and emotional intelligence that it's beyond belief.
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Who?Henry Irving said:
And one Troll who's now been bannedGreenie said:Having read through this thread, we have some fellas on here who lack so much empathy, understanding and emotional intelligence that it's beyond belief.
Yes sorry cafcnick, knob was a bit uncalled for but your comment was stupid, in my opinion.
As to the rest of the posts on here... my head is spinning.
Off to google edgelord.
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Astoriaaddick @Curb_ItCurb_It said:
Who?Henry Irving said:
And one Troll who's now been bannedGreenie said:Having read through this thread, we have some fellas on here who lack so much empathy, understanding and emotional intelligence that it's beyond belief.
Yes sorry cafcnick, knob was a bit uncalled for but your comment was stupid, in my opinion.
As to the rest of the posts on here... my head is spinning.
Off to google edgelord.1 -
You forgot to ask How tall is he?Henry Irving said:Is Tom Jones career going downhill?
Why has he waited so long?
Must be after the money and publicity?
How much does he weigh?
Blah blah blah blame the victim blah blah wibble0 -
Is this a Friday 5? If so it's Thursday and only four questions Henry. Come on son, pull yourself together.Henry Irving said:Is Tom Jones career going downhill?
Why has he waited so long?
Must be after the money and publicity?
How much does he weigh?
Blah blah blah blame the victim blah blah wibble1 -
That's alright, we're all allowed opinions.Curb_It said:
Who?Henry Irving said:
And one Troll who's now been bannedGreenie said:Having read through this thread, we have some fellas on here who lack so much empathy, understanding and emotional intelligence that it's beyond belief.
Yes sorry cafcnick, knob was a bit uncalled for but your comment was stupid, in my opinion.
As to the rest of the posts on here... my head is spinning.
Off to google edgelord.1 -
Talking about it on question time now0
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Edgelord?
I’ve heard it all now.0 - Sponsored links:
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@AFKABartram @cabbles @Gillis sorry to bother you but what's the policy surrounding retribution flags (getting flagged by someone simply because you flagged them)? I got flagged for this and flagged for explaining a flag I gave to @buckshee. Cheers.SDAddick said:
There are parts of this I agree with, and parts I don't.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Not in England it doesn't and I'm very much doubt Buckshee posted it in that context even if it does. It's short for cuckold as in the husband of a woman who cheats on him.SDAddick said:
Can't wait for you to complain next time someone calls you alt-right.buckshee said:
The definitive “cuck” list .Baldybonce said:
Thankyou SDSDAddick said:There's an element of this story which is being treated as "peculiarly Hollywood." It isn't. This kind of harassment exists in all walks of life in all professions. This should be common knowledge by now.
Here is a good list of things men can do to change their behavior and the world around them. I'm sure at least a couple apply to you, I know they do to me. Bolding the ones I think are applicable to me (these are to varying degrees, some, like talking over women, are blatant, others, like involving women in creative projects and giving them equal credit, or pay women the same, are things I've tried/try to do but feel I could do better).
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/16/a-simple-list-of-things-men-can-do-to-change-our-work-and-life-culture
-Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work.
-Don’t talk over women.
-If you are asked to be on a panel/team and see that it’s all men, say something. Maybe even refuse the spot!
-When you see another guy talk over a woman, say: “Hey, she was saying something.”
-Learn to read a fucking room.
-Don’t call women “crazy” in a professional setting.
-Don’t use your “feminism” as a way to get women to trust you. Show us in your day-to-day life, not in your self-congratulatory social media.
-Don’t touch women you don’t know, and honestly, ask yourself why you feel the need to touch women in general.
-Do you feel that any woman on earth owes you something? She doesn’t. Even if you’re like, “Hm, but what about basic respect?” ask yourself if you’ve shown her the same.
-Don’t send pictures of your penis unless she just asked for them.
-If a woman says no to a date, don’t ask her again.
-If a woman has not given an enthusiastic “yes” to sex, back the hell off.
-If a woman is really drunk, she cannot consent to you and she also cannot consent to your buddy who seems to be trying something. Your buddy is your responsibility, so say something and intervene.
-If you do the right thing, don’t expect praise or payment or a pat on the back or even a “thank you from that woman”. Congratulations, you were baseline decent.
-Involve women in your creative projects, then let them have equal part in them.
-Don’t make misogynistic jokes.
-Don’t expect women to be “nice” or “cute” and don’t get upset when they aren’t those things.
-Don’t make assumptions about a woman’s intelligence, capabilities or desires based on how she dresses.
-Pay women as much as you pay men.
-If a woman tells you that you fucked up, and you feel like shit, don’t put it on that woman to make you feel better. Apologize without qualification and then go away.
-Don’t punish women for witnessing your vulnerability.
-Don’t get defensive when you get called out.
-Don’t need to literally witness a man being horrible in order to believe that he’s horrible. Trust and believe women.
-Don’t use your power to get women’s attention/company/sex/etc.
-Be aware of your inherent power in situations and use it to protect women, especially via talking to other men.
-Stop thinking that because you’re also marginalized or a survivor that you cannot inflict pain or oppress women.
-If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.
-Don’t read a list like this and think that most of these don’t apply to you.
(These also apply to how to better treat transgender and non-binary people, who are in more danger than cis women).
I now feel nicely patronized.
Let me be clear because I don't usually flag people. The term "cuck" has sexist, racist, homophobic, and anti-semitic undertones.
Seriously the level of sensitivity and looking to magnify offence in modern western society is damaging as it dilutes the real issues of racism, sexism, homophobia etc and devalues debate when everything is touted as being offensive for this reason or that reason.
Discrimination against someone on the basis of their skin/ sex/ sexuality is outdated and most would agree abhorrent but the constant highlighting of every minor quip or out of context remark does nothing to engage debate or thought but has the opposite effect of causing many people to switch off.
Moving towards a very grey, bland and corporate soulless world and this sort of shit enables it whilst distracting from the real nub of things that need eradicating. Gives power to the elbow of the real bigots who turn round and use stuff with the "see you can't say anything anymore" rhetoric to garner support from alienated people who have been ostracised for off the cuff comments etc.
Not a dig at you SD as I agree with a hell of a lot of what you post but it gets exasperating but as a white middle class male and ergo the root of all evil in the world today and since the dawn of time I probably would say this.
But regarding the original point, I struggle to believe buckshee would just use that word in a context in which it is used to denote sexism, racism, etc, a type of "beta male," and just accidentally hit the nail on the head. I am also aware of the original meaning, as that is where the modern meaning sprang from. My internet lingo, particularly that of the far right, is not particularly sharp, this just happens to be one I know.
I don't have the context of knowing him, as I don't with literally all of you.
First comment (an explainer for why I flagged buckshee)SDAddick said:
Can't wait for you to complain next time someone calls you alt-right.buckshee said:
The definitive “cuck” list .Baldybonce said:
Thankyou SDSDAddick said:There's an element of this story which is being treated as "peculiarly Hollywood." It isn't. This kind of harassment exists in all walks of life in all professions. This should be common
I now feel nicely patronized.
Let me be clear because I don't usually flag people. The term "cuck" has sexist, racist, homophobic, and anti-semitic undertones.1 -
So sorry , didn’t realise I wasn’t allowed to flag you and that only you can flag me.
You’re like a child running off to teacher.1 -
^^^triggered!2
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Some people really care about them internet points.2
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James Toback. Nope, never heard of him either.0
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Oh the ironyLeuth said:^^^triggered!
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I’d forgotten all about this behavior from Arnie. Quite surprised this hasn’t been brought up again recently.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tv-presenter-groped-by-schwarzenegger-may-sue-89924.html0 -
And Bill Clinton0
