Harvey Weinstein
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No I don't! Have a day off mate. I haven't accused him of anything. I said I reckon there have been more accusations that we haven't heard of, an opinion. Nowhere do I accuse him of anything!SDAddick said:
It's an opinion in which you accuse Bill Clinton of sexual assaulting many more women than are currently publicly known. Saying "it's an opinion" doesn't absolve you from having a factual basis to things.Riviera said:Errr.... That's an opinion! Not an accusation.
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You're adorable.Riviera said:
No I don't! Have a day off mate. I haven't accused him of anything. I said I reckon there have been more accusations that we haven't heard of, an opinion. Nowhere do I accuse him of anything!SDAddick said:
It's an opinion in which you accuse Bill Clinton of sexual assaulting many more women than are currently publicly known. Saying "it's an opinion" doesn't absolve you from having a factual basis to things.Riviera said:Errr.... That's an opinion! Not an accusation.
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i suppose the mods can find solace that Harvey and Bills legal teams are a bit busier right now rather than trawl through CL4
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I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
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Curious as to what your impressions were, but something I've heard from everyone who has met him, whether they like him or loathe him, is that he has an incredible charisma and becomes the center of whatever room he's in.Curb_It said:I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
This of course does not make it okay to rape or sexual harass people.0 -
especially in the centre of the roomSDAddick said:
Curious as to what your impressions were, but something I've heard from everyone who has met him, whether they like him or loathe him, is that he has an incredible charisma and becomes the center of whatever room he's in.Curb_It said:I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
This of course does not make it okay to rape or sexual lyrics harass people.5 -
School trip?Curb_It said:I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
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Does that involve singing Marvin Gaye/ Barry White stuff at people? ;-)SDAddick said:
Curious as to what your impressions were, but something I've heard from everyone who has met him, whether they like him or loathe him, is that he has an incredible charisma and becomes the center of whatever room he's in.Curb_It said:I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
This of course does not make it okay to rape or sexual lyrics harass people.2 -
I literally shook his hand so I cant really comment.SDAddick said:
Curious as to what your impressions were, but something I've heard from everyone who has met him, whether they like him or loathe him, is that he has an incredible charisma and becomes the center of whatever room he's in.Curb_It said:I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
This of course does not make it okay to rape or sexual harass people.
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*headlock*Curb_It said:
I literally shook his hand so I cant really comment.SDAddick said:
Curious as to what your impressions were, but something I've heard from everyone who has met him, whether they like him or loathe him, is that he has an incredible charisma and becomes the center of whatever room he's in.Curb_It said:I met Bill you know, I don't think I've mentioned it before. When he was President. When he shook my hand, he gave me the eye. The rascal.
This of course does not make it okay to rape or sexual harass people.1 -
It's not abuse or harassment because it's clearly consensual but a 74 year old man dating a 22 year old woman makes me feel uncomfortable. It is happening in the world of Rock 'n Roll.
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Wait , Kevin Spacey is gay!
This is the biggest shock since Colin Jackson came out.1 -
Getting pissed up a party and getting lairy because something had upset you is deeply innapropriate drunken behaviour Kev.Bedsaddick said:
Forcing yourself on a 14 year old boy goes beyond that.5 -
Going to be a huge backlash on this one I think.
"Yeah, OK, I'm gay" is a very bad reaction to 'did you try it on with a 14 year old?'0 - Sponsored links:
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so how does KS he know if he was involved in drunken behaviour 30 years ago if he cant remember it ?1
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Maybe there were so many instances that he feels he's now been found out?0
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Surely the only person who can confirm whether the apology is acceptable or not is Anthony Rapp... All these people on Twitter saying his apology doesn't cut it, I understand but that isn't up to you...Bedsaddick said:
I have to say the excuse of I don't remember it seems BS. He doesn't deny it. He says he doesn't remember it.
That was attempted rape of a minor (Consent was not given and due to Anthony's age at the time he was too young to consent). This shouldn't be up to Rapp to decide now... It should be straightforward - Punishment.0 -
Attempted rape? He lay on top of the lad and when the lad tried to get away, he did. It’s not even assault. Deeply inappropriate, no doubt about it. Concerning in regards to what else Spacey may have done (hopefully it was an isolated incident) and clearly damaging to a young boy in that position.
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The terminology may seem strong but he tried to seduce someone too young to consent to such activity.JiMMy 85 said:Attempted rape? He lay on top of the lad and when the lad tried to get away, he did. It’s not even assault. Deeply inappropriate, no doubt about it. Concerning in regards to what else Spacey may have done (hopefully it was an isolated incident) and clearly damaging to a young boy in that position.
But attempted rape is going way too far.
Rapp says he was able to force Spacey off of him and left the house immediately.
What else is he trying to do if you have to force him off of you? Play chess?
By trying to seduce someone by pinning them down against their will is at the very least sexual assault.
Because it is a minor they cannot consent to sexual activity and thus any attempt to have sexual interaction with them is attempted rape. Just as sex with a minor is defined as rape whether the victim states they consented or not.
I suppose the least you could call it is 'assault of a minor with sexual intent'0 -
I don't think either one of us is qualified to label what it was precisely, although I am confident it was not attempted rape.Dazzler21 said:
The terminology may seem strong but he tried to seduce someone too young to consent to such activity.JiMMy 85 said:Attempted rape? He lay on top of the lad and when the lad tried to get away, he did. It’s not even assault. Deeply inappropriate, no doubt about it. Concerning in regards to what else Spacey may have done (hopefully it was an isolated incident) and clearly damaging to a young boy in that position.
But attempted rape is going way too far.
Rapp says he was able to force Spacey off of him and left the house immediately.
What else is he trying to do if you have to force him off of you? Play chess?
By trying to seduce someone by pinning them down against their will is at the very least sexual assault.
Because it is a minor they cannot consent to sexual activity and thus any attempt to have sexual interaction with them is attempted rape. Just as sex with a minor is defined as rape whether the victim states they consented or not.
I suppose the least you could call it is 'assault of a minor with sexual intent'
Indeed, Rapp didn't say anything about forcing Spacey off of him, his quote features the word "squirm" as in, he squirmed away from under him. At no point does he claim he was inappropriately touched (beyond Spacey being on top of him, what a bizarre sentence to be writing), and Spacey didn't attempt to physically stop him leaving (he stood near the doorway and tried to verbally convince him to stay).
It's a fucked up situation, but it is not rape, nor attempted rape. It's a weird guy trying clumsily, drunkenly and unpleasantly trying to seduce a minor. And let's be clear, that's very, very bad in of itself - thus there's no need to make it into something more extreme.3 -
Why does it make you uncomfortable?Riviera said:It's not abuse or harassment because it's clearly consensual but a 74 year old man dating a 22 year old woman makes me feel uncomfortable. It is happening in the world of Rock 'n Roll.
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Because his erection won't subside.Red_in_SE8 said:
Why does it make you uncomfortable?Riviera said:It's not abuse or harassment because it's clearly consensual but a 74 year old man dating a 22 year old woman makes me feel uncomfortable. It is happening in the world of Rock 'n Roll.
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I thought the rule in polite society was: half your age plus 7...Red_in_SE8 said:
Why does it make you uncomfortable?Riviera said:It's not abuse or harassment because it's clearly consensual but a 74 year old man dating a 22 year old woman makes me feel uncomfortable. It is happening in the world of Rock 'n Roll.
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