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Chris Powell to Southend? (Confirmed P4)

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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    oohaahmortimer said:

    Bowyer is the man in possession and doing a fine job and no one in their right mind would want that to change that and SCP is in the Charlton past

    But saying shit like “totally unproven manager” about Sir Chris Powell will always be called out .

    Like I said it was the wrong choice of words.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,204
    Maybe :-)
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited December 2018
    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
  • Daarrzzetbum
    Daarrzzetbum Posts: 1,236
    Move on, Bowyer and Jacko are the new dream team, with the toxic ownership and the squad we have they are both doing a wonderful job.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    Take your point, but I still cant understand why it would be anyone's dream for CP to come back at this moment in time as Manager or DOF
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,755
    edited December 2018
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    Take your point, but I still cant understand why it would be anyone's dream for CP to come back at this moment in time as Manager or DOF
    Me neither, but I think you undervalue what Powell did in extremely difficult circumstances. People forget or don’t understand what was going on behind the scenes in 12/13 - never mind 13/14 when people were seriously advocating playing Joe Pigott as first/choice striker at the start of the season - in the Championship, aged 19.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    All undeniably true but he didn’t push on his career at Huddersfield and was sacked. He’s doing a decent enough job at Southend and it’s early days for him there but in the next season or two he needs to push Southend beyond the sum of its parts in order to be considered a catch by other clubs. Would I take Sir Chris back over Lee Bowyer. Not a chance.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,755
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    All undeniably true but he didn’t push on his career at Huddersfield and was sacked. He’s doing a decent enough job at Southend and it’s early days for him there but in the next season or two he needs to push Southend beyond the sum of its parts in order to be considered a catch by other clubs. Would I take Sir Chris back over Lee Bowyer. Not a chance.
    Let’s hope that remains the choice beyond May.

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  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,231
    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    Any idea roughly how the wage bill compares to Southend at present? Appreciate the figures published but that really just highlights how difficult the job was for Slade. Be interesting to know out of the £11.1m how much of that was on the likes of Vetokele or Teixiera for example players who couldn't be shifted just draining the wage bill.

    I expect our current wage bill is considerably less than 16/17 and a lot closer to Southend's now or at least what it was in 16/17
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,755
    MartinCAFC said:

    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    Any idea roughly how the wage bill compares to Southend at present? Appreciate the figures published but that really just highlights how difficult the job was for Slade. Be interesting to know out of the £11.1m how much of that was on the likes of Vetokele or Teixiera for example players who couldn't be shifted just draining the wage bill.

    I expect our current wage bill is considerably less than 16/17 and a lot closer to Southend's now or at least what it was in 16/17
    The gap will be smaller but my guess is ours is still double theirs. Vetokele is still here, for a start, but wasn’t in the wage bill for most of 16/17.
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,231
    Airman Brown said:

    MartinCAFC said:

    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    Any idea roughly how the wage bill compares to Southend at present? Appreciate the figures published but that really just highlights how difficult the job was for Slade. Be interesting to know out of the £11.1m how much of that was on the likes of Vetokele or Teixiera for example players who couldn't be shifted just draining the wage bill.

    I expect our current wage bill is considerably less than 16/17 and a lot closer to Southend's now or at least what it was in 16/17
    The gap will be smaller but my guess is ours is still double theirs. Vetokele is still here, for a start, but wasn’t in the wage bill for most of 16/17.
    Weren't we still subsidising wages for players loaned out like Vetokele? I thought that was half the problem with the wage bill players loaned out and we were still covering a good chunk of the wages?
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,755
    edited December 2018
    Yes, fair point, but you can’t claim him - or Sarr - as a reduction in the current year compared to 16/17. They will be a higher cost in 18/19.

    In any case, my point is that Southend cannot compete in general not just against Charlton. They are pretty much where you’d expect them to be.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,506
    MartinCAFC said:

    Airman Brown said:

    MartinCAFC said:

    Airman Brown said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    Maybe :-)

    If he takes Southend down and doesn't get a gig for a couple of seasons, we'll reconvene
    Southend’s overall wage bill in their last published accounts (16/17) was £4.7m - Charlton’s was £11.1m. It makes a huge difference. Or should!

    Nobody would seriously want to remove Bowyer or change the existing set-up whatever Powell’s merits, past or present, but Powell did outstandingly in the Championship in 12/13 despite being starved of resources. Bowyer has never managed there, so has no comparable record to evaluate.
    Any idea roughly how the wage bill compares to Southend at present? Appreciate the figures published but that really just highlights how difficult the job was for Slade. Be interesting to know out of the £11.1m how much of that was on the likes of Vetokele or Teixiera for example players who couldn't be shifted just draining the wage bill.

    I expect our current wage bill is considerably less than 16/17 and a lot closer to Southend's now or at least what it was in 16/17
    The gap will be smaller but my guess is ours is still double theirs. Vetokele is still here, for a start, but wasn’t in the wage bill for most of 16/17.
    Weren't we still subsidising wages for players loaned out like Vetokele? I thought that was half the problem with the wage bill players loaned out and we were still covering a good chunk of the wages?
    Hi Martin...... I have just PM’d you.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,978
    Our wage bill is partially a reflection of past mistakes as it is of the worth of the squad, and especially of our previous Championship status

    I imagine our highest earners will be the Championship players such as Sarr, Bauer, Vetekele and Solly, the first 3 especially being external signings. If Sarr and Vetekele had (permanently) left last summer it would have significantly reduced our wage bill, and I'm sure Bowyer could have brought in suitable replacements for a fraction of their wages
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,755
    edited December 2018
    killerandflash said:

    Our wage bill is partially a reflection of past mistakes as it is of the worth of the squad, and especially of our previous Championship status

    I imagine our highest earners will be the Championship players such as Sarr, Bauer, Vetekele and Solly, the first 3 especially being external signings. If Sarr and Vetekele had (permanently) left last summer it would have significantly reduced our wage bill, and I'm sure Bowyer could have brought in suitable replacements for a fraction of their wages

    Indeed, but they are not getting £1m a year each. By which I mean they only account for a fraction of the difference in total.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,126
    Surely those 3 cant be on much less than a mill a year, especially Vetokele. Al 3 were sgned in the championship.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,345
    edited December 2018
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Surely those 3 cant be on much less than a mill a year, especially Vetokele. Al 3 were sgned in the championship.

    I doubt any are on more than 12k per week
    So you are looking at at most just over £600,000 per year and Sarr I would guess is probably on less than Igor, I would guess

    Igor-£12,000
    BFG-£10,000
    Sarr-£10,000
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,345
    To be on £1 million a year you are looking at just over 19K per week

    No way we giving anyone anywhere near that

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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    paulie8290 said:

    To be on £1 million a year you are looking at just over 19K per week

    No way we giving anyone anywhere near that

    Personally believe Igor is on around 15k, you are probably abour right with Sarr and Bauer.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,204
    Heard Igor on £19k per week , source friend of a friend of a friend
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,126
    paulie8290 said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Surely those 3 cant be on much less than a mill a year, especially Vetokele. Al 3 were sgned in the championship.

    I doubt any are on more than 12k per week
    So you are looking at at most just over £600,000 per year and Sarr I would guess is probably on less than Igor, I would guess

    Igor-£12,000
    BFG-£10,000
    Sarr-£10,000
    I'd imagine it's closer to Igor: 20, BFG: 15 and Sarr: 12.

    Wages in the Championship are crazy and all those player were signed with a view to getting us promoted, also don't discount the issue of who negotiated those contracts, she's already admitted she allowed herself to get fleeced by agents.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,282
    edited December 2018
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Surely those 3 cant be on much less than a mill a year, especially Vetokele. Al 3 were sgned in the championship.

    I doubt any are on more than 12k per week
    So you are looking at at most just over £600,000 per year and Sarr I would guess is probably on less than Igor, I would guess

    Igor-£12,000
    BFG-£10,000
    Sarr-£10,000
    I'd imagine it's closer to Igor: 20, BFG: 15 and Sarr: 12.

    Wages in the Championship are crazy and all those player were signed with a view to getting us promoted, also don't discount the issue of who negotiated those contracts, she's already admitted she allowed herself to get fleeced by agents.
    That’s more like it although £20k for Igor is a little much, and Sarr is on more than Bauer.

    I’d say they’re costing us around £2.2mil between them a year in wages.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Sage said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Surely those 3 cant be on much less than a mill a year, especially Vetokele. Al 3 were sgned in the championship.

    I doubt any are on more than 12k per week
    So you are looking at at most just over £600,000 per year and Sarr I would guess is probably on less than Igor, I would guess

    Igor-£12,000
    BFG-£10,000
    Sarr-£10,000
    I'd imagine it's closer to Igor: 20, BFG: 15 and Sarr: 12.

    Wages in the Championship are crazy and all those player were signed with a view to getting us promoted, also don't discount the issue of who negotiated those contracts, she's already admitted she allowed herself to get fleeced by agents.
    That’s more like it although £20k for Igor is a little much, and Sarr is on more than Bauer.

    I’d say they’re costing us around £2.2mil between them a year in wages.
    Money well spent.......
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,395
    ricky_otto said:

    Sage said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Surely those 3 cant be on much less than a mill a year, especially Vetokele. Al 3 were sgned in the championship.

    I doubt any are on more than 12k per week
    So you are looking at at most just over £600,000 per year and Sarr I would guess is probably on less than Igor, I would guess

    Igor-£12,000
    BFG-£10,000
    Sarr-£10,000
    I'd imagine it's closer to Igor: 20, BFG: 15 and Sarr: 12.

    Wages in the Championship are crazy and all those player were signed with a view to getting us promoted, also don't discount the issue of who negotiated those contracts, she's already admitted she allowed herself to get fleeced by agents.
    That’s more like it although £20k for Igor is a little much, and Sarr is on more than Bauer.

    I’d say they’re costing us around £2.2mil between them a year in wages.
    Money well spent.......
    Whoever negotiated those was a genius... Katrien wotsername? She's moved onto mahoosive things apparently!
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,335
    Bows is doing a great job, which could be unfortunate if we were not promoted this year as others will have noted his success.

    CP could be the next best choice if things do not go as planned.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,345
    Southend recieved a winding up order over unpaid Tax

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/09/southend-unitedhanded-winding-up-order-hm-revenue-customs/
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,065
    paulie8290 said:

    Southend recieved a winding up order over unpaid Tax

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/09/southend-unitedhanded-winding-up-order-hm-revenue-customs/

    In a new petition, the Gazette official public record website recorded that a new bid by HMRC, "claiming to be Creditors of the Company", will be heard at the High Court on Feb 6.
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,413
    SCP to Luton = compo for Southend = tax man paid.

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