So Richard says that Roland has made up his mind to sell the club, but recognises that we are a much more attractive proposition as a championship club.
So he might be minded to back Robinson with players in a push for promotion?
I doubt it, he is hoping that if he can't get his £55million that somehow we might go up because of lucky white heather or something, not by a bit of player investment because he would be thinking there are no guarantees.
As for a takeover in February, that also means no backing for Robinson because the window has closed.
I think that Robinson will have to make do with what he's got, and continue to try to get results. If we do get taken over in February, but the present results are sustained then Robinson will keep his job. If we now go on a bad run and we're taken over in February I think he will depart.
There is every incentive for Robinson to produce results, but sadly very little backing.
Because, throughout this process people who’ve said they’re in the know, not in the know or have heard something inbetween have posed a number of dates, which have been and gone.
Supposedly due dilligence has been done by a number of parties, two still active, of those two if they’ve done dd why aren’t they closing before the January window?
Or is it a bluff, yes CARD and the Trust called for Richard to speak and he agreed and then CARD stood down their gathering who’s to say Richard mentioning Feb is just in the hope of things continuing to quieten down?
I don’t think based on this it’ll be feb I think it’s a bluff. I do hope who ever is still actively considering buying are holding off so as to sweat Roland on the price
Cant really argue with what RM says and find it quite informative... Is there more he could have said?
Only bit I dont like his when he mentions the rift, there isnt a rift between the fans and the club yet between the fans and owner... He goes and those fans are likely to return - Should keep his mouth shut on that subject and let the investors make their own minds up on the situation!!
Why is it a problem talking about the rift with the fans? Any potential owner would be aware of the situation and surely Murray is pointing out that the rift is with Roland not with the club. Unless you think that he is distancing himself from any rift?
Well done card for initiating some dialog. The way I read all of that (and it's just a view) is that Roland is prepared to take his time to sell, he is in no immediate rush. He has a price in mind and only failure to get us promoted or a fire sale would reduce that price for now. If potential buyers want to negotiate on the price post due dillagence, then it looks like they will have to wait until the summer, when Roland will better know where he stands. Until then, the squad is going to run without any new investment. I suspect Roland will hold fire and hope he gets lucky with a promotion.
Thank you for posting. Very similar to other comments, it is nice to have comments by other forum users actually confirmed.
I still think he’s trying to portray Roland as someone who cares about the club. I highly doubt he cares about any of the factors named in the article.
Have to hope we can get through this month without selling anyone and the deal can be done quick enough to provide some massive momentum for when we really need it.
Most of you guys won't like this but IMO you have to give RM some Credit for he is in a no win situation.Lets try and take things on face value and hope there is light at the end of the tunnel.To me this sounds an honest appraisal of what is going on and to be fair to him what else would you expect him to reveal? Let's get behind KR and the team - the Playoffs at least are still within our grasp.COYR
I wonder if he's saying Feb is the likely takeover month because he knows it's close but he's also aware that he'Il get hammered if he says Jan and it doesnt happen (better to under promise).
Surely if prospective buyers can be ready as soon as Feb and have been around for a while (done DD) they would be doing everything they can to bring it forward to Jan whilst we're 6th in the league and the transfer window is open.
For what it's worth he's saying what he thinks is enough to placate fans for a bit longer. Roland will decide when, if , and to who(m) he wants to sell. End of.
More open than I had expected, and credit both the Trust guys and RM for that. A lot to digest.
Just one observation for now - RM confirms he is not a member of either of the consortia that are dealing with RD. That's a surprise. I just hope it isn't weasel words (e.g. that he WILL be involved with them, if they are successful).
Edit - correction of minor typo in final sentence.
Still sceptical about what RM says, anyone who was supposed to support the fans views under RD and sits on hands and does nothing, needs to do a lot more for the fans than he has been prepared to offer. A leopard doesn’t change his spots so easily imo however we shall see, the least he could was meet with supporters representatives as any new protests would of still been negative for him, RD and the club. At the back of it also is the promised repayment of monies owed to former directors and that also must play a factor in the back of RM mind. Still we shall see I don’t see any investment happening this season for players.
As well as sharing Davo55's "surprise" I would like to know whether RM was pushed on the "number" of consortium that had done DD ? Also, KR's revelation about the Carruthers non-deal seems to have been overlooked.
Good new this went ahead and well done to CARD for forcing the issue.
However, there was quite a bit of vagueness in Murrays responses, a 'number of consortiums', negotiations nothing to do with him, yet he's Roland's head salesman in situ.
Does he refer them back to Duchatalet every time they ask him something he can't answer? Of course he doesn't, he must have some autonomy as Roland's not interested in this corner of South East London for 98.5% of the time.
Lots of snippets, most of which we've been aware of for sometime, with the exception that he's not involved with any of the consortium.
I'd put money on other players leaving within the next ten days.
Thank you to CARD and CAS Trust for your work in getting this meeting to take place, and reporting back on it. It appears the first test of the contents of the meeting will be the state of the playing squad on 1 Feb. Fingers crossed.
I echo everyone's sentiments re CARD & CAS Trust for finally getting some clarity from the club on all this.
What I find interesting is what is said on the OS that wasn't mentioned in the CAS Trust write-up.
RM mentions that he shows prospective buyers around once RD hasn't given the say so & then DD is done. Only then is a firm price discussed with RD & the method of how it is paid. By this I don't think he means by cheque or cash, but maybe if it includes the Valley or some form of lease or part payment. O think this is where we are at atm. Potential buyers have done the first 3 parts & are now saying "its worth £25m" and Rd obviously has a very different figure in mind. seems a strange way of doing things imo.
I also don't think that end of February is a realistic time frame given the above problem. The fact that RD is in no rush (wants to sell by the summer),that David Joyes is discussing a handover period for his successor (no point if there is an imminent takeover) and RD knows that being in the Championship would make us a better prospect, only leads me to think that RD will wait until April / May to see where we finish up & if we might just get promoted. We may actually be the victim of our success & the last 3 wins may have been the final nail in the coffin that a takeover will be anytime soon.
I'm also going to stick my neck out and say that I reckon there will be no more player sales & that Konsa will still be our player come Feb 1st.
Well done to CARD for forcing the issue and getting this response , it’s definitely better than nothing and it’s good to see all the naysayers hold their hands up and admit they were wrong re CARD’s actions It’s just a shame the Roland Out chants put the team off and stopped us from scoring 4 or more goals
Main points for me are. Roland definitely wants to sell the club. He will not want to be here for next season. February could well be the month. Light at the end of a long dark tunnel at last.
Cant really argue with what RM says and find it quite informative... Is there more he could have said?
Only bit I dont like his when he mentions the rift, there isnt a rift between the fans and the club yet between the fans and owner... He goes and those fans are likely to return - Should keep his mouth shut on that subject and let the investors make their own minds up on the situation!!
But what if he’s asked to comment on the situation? You are assuming he mentions it as part of his sales pitch......whereas he may only address the issue if actually asked or it’s hinted at. I think it’s fair to say any prospective purchasers would know the background to the situation anyway......after all, it’s been well documented.
One burning question that would appear not to have been raised is the ridiculously high figure that is being quoted for the club and the impact that may be having on prospective purchasers. The preposterous sum of around £50,000,000 is being widely touted, is that true? At that price one would have to say the club simply isn’t for sale.....least ways, not at that crazy price or indeed anywhere near! I believe I’m right in saying most ‘more knowledgeable’ people out there are suggesting the ‘starting point’ should be around £30,000,000, it being a far more realistic price.......and even then it’s at the high end! Yes, a difficult question for him to answer but nonetheless one that should surely have been asked and even at such a late date maybe one that could, and IMHO should, still be asked.
More open than I had expected, and credit both the Trust guys and RM for that. A lot to digest.
Just one observation for now - RM confirms he is not a member of either of the consortia that are dealing with RD. That's a surprise. I just hope it isn't weasel words (e.g. that he WILL be involved with them, if they are successful).
Edit - correction of minor typo in final sentence.
Not being a part of either consortia doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't stay on at the club though.
Main points for me are. Roland definitely wants to sell the club. He will not want to be here for next season. February could well be the month. Light at the end of a long dark tunnel at last.
I agree with most of that mate the only bit that still concerns is that he may well have some marker on us be it rent or debt
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So he might be minded to back Robinson with players in a push for promotion?
I doubt it, he is hoping that if he can't get his £55million that somehow we might go up because of lucky white heather or something, not by a bit of player investment because he would be thinking there are no guarantees.
As for a takeover in February, that also means no backing for Robinson because the window has closed.
I think that Robinson will have to make do with what he's got, and continue to try to get results. If we do get taken over in February, but the present results are sustained then Robinson will keep his job. If we now go on a bad run and we're taken over in February I think he will depart.
There is every incentive for Robinson to produce results, but sadly very little backing.
Supposedly due dilligence has been done by a number of parties, two still active, of those two if they’ve done dd why aren’t they closing before the January window?
Or is it a bluff, yes CARD and the Trust called for Richard to speak and he agreed and then CARD stood down their gathering who’s to say Richard mentioning Feb is just in the hope of things continuing to quieten down?
I don’t think based on this it’ll be feb I think it’s a bluff. I do hope who ever is still actively considering buying are holding off so as to sweat Roland on the price
The way I read all of that (and it's just a view) is that Roland is prepared to take his time to sell, he is in no immediate rush. He has a price in mind and only failure to get us promoted or a fire sale would reduce that price for now. If potential buyers want to negotiate on the price post due dillagence, then it looks like they will have to wait until the summer, when Roland will better know where he stands. Until then, the squad is going to run without any new investment.
I suspect Roland will hold fire and hope he gets lucky with a promotion.
I still think he’s trying to portray Roland as someone who cares about the club. I highly doubt he cares about any of the factors named in the article.
Have to hope we can get through this month without selling anyone and the deal can be done quick enough to provide some massive momentum for when we really need it.
I like the questions even if the answers appear inevitably bland.
...unless it's a Mr P Varney looking to buy a billboard.
Let's get behind KR and the team - the Playoffs at least are still within our grasp.COYR
Surely if prospective buyers can be ready as soon as Feb and have been around for a while (done DD) they would be doing everything they can to bring it forward to Jan whilst we're 6th in the league and the transfer window is open.
Was McLeish at the game again today?
More open than I had expected, and credit both the Trust guys and RM for that. A lot to digest.
Just one observation for now - RM confirms he is not a member of either of the consortia that are dealing with RD. That's a surprise. I just hope it isn't weasel words (e.g. that he WILL be involved with them, if they are successful).
Edit - correction of minor typo in final sentence.
As well as sharing Davo55's "surprise" I would like to know whether RM was pushed on the "number" of consortium that had done DD ? Also, KR's revelation about the Carruthers non-deal seems to have been overlooked.
However, there was quite a bit of vagueness in Murrays responses, a 'number of consortiums', negotiations nothing to do with him, yet he's Roland's head salesman in situ.
Does he refer them back to Duchatalet every time they ask him something he can't answer? Of course he doesn't, he must have some autonomy as Roland's not interested in this corner of South East London for 98.5% of the time.
Lots of snippets, most of which we've been aware of for sometime, with the exception that he's not involved with any of the consortium.
I'd put money on other players leaving within the next ten days.
It appears the first test of the contents of the meeting will be the state of the playing squad on 1 Feb. Fingers crossed.
What I find interesting is what is said on the OS that wasn't mentioned in the CAS Trust write-up.
RM mentions that he shows prospective buyers around once RD hasn't given the say so & then DD is done. Only then is a firm price discussed with RD & the method of how it is paid. By this I don't think he means by cheque or cash, but maybe if it includes the Valley or some form of lease or part payment. O think this is where we are at atm. Potential buyers have done the first 3 parts & are now saying "its worth £25m" and Rd obviously has a very different figure in mind. seems a strange way of doing things imo.
I also don't think that end of February is a realistic time frame given the above problem. The fact that RD is in no rush (wants to sell by the summer),that David Joyes is discussing a handover period for his successor (no point if there is an imminent takeover) and RD knows that being in the Championship would make us a better prospect, only leads me to think that RD will wait until April / May to see where we finish up & if we might just get promoted. We may actually be the victim of our success & the last 3 wins may have been the final nail in the coffin that a takeover will be anytime soon.
I'm also going to stick my neck out and say that I reckon there will be no more player sales & that Konsa will still be our player come Feb 1st.
It’s just a shame the Roland Out chants put the team off and stopped us from scoring 4 or more goals
Roland definitely wants to sell the club.
He will not want to be here for next season.
February could well be the month.
Light at the end of a long dark tunnel at last.
It’s that part that is the answer to all the questions
It’s not how much it’s not who
It’s does Roland want to sell the whole club or just the bits that are costing him money now
You are assuming he mentions it as part of his sales pitch......whereas he may only address the issue if actually asked or it’s hinted at.
I think it’s fair to say any prospective purchasers would know the background to the situation anyway......after all, it’s been well documented.
The preposterous sum of around £50,000,000 is being widely touted, is that true?
At that price one would have to say the club simply isn’t for sale.....least ways, not at that crazy price or indeed anywhere near!
I believe I’m right in saying most ‘more knowledgeable’ people out there are suggesting the ‘starting point’ should be around £30,000,000, it being a far more realistic price.......and even then it’s at the high end!
Yes, a difficult question for him to answer but nonetheless one that should surely have been asked and even at such a late date maybe one that could, and IMHO should, still be asked.