I would keep Cook in the side as I think he still has it in him.
If we want an opener though we should look no further than Rory Burns of Surrey. He is a tough fighter of an opener. Doesnt have the classiest cover drive but will fight and always make a score. I think he is exactly what we need. Has been vice captain for a while now and is to be captain this year.
Beyond that Hameed will be one hell of a player long term. Robson deserves another go in my book. He was thrown in too young and did alright (better than a number who followed him). He's gone away from the side and developed his game and learnt a lot. He has also taken on a leadership role. He is a much better player than when he was last tried for England.
So, if we ignore at the top the Aussie, the Sri Lankan legend and the leg spinner with a lifetime average of 13.22, we are left with top of the tree The Snail.....................
Get DBD and SNE in the team telling them they’ve got at least 4 tests. That aside unless the ECB moves away from their obsession with one day stuff predominantly T20 and the upcoming franchise nonsense then as a test nation we’re f***ed anyway.
Get DBD and SNE in the team telling them they’ve got at least 4 tests. That aside unless the ECB moves away from their obsession with one day stuff predominantly T20 and the upcoming franchise nonsense then as a test nation we’re f***ed anyway.
Couple of Kent players. Surely the answer. Any other mid table division two stalwarts we can pick?
Even I know that's bonkers as a Kent fan. If SNE has a good year this year he might be able to get a go next winter at the earliest. I will be shocked if DBD ever plays for the England team in any format.
As for T20 "franchise nonsense"... it's really done India and Australia a lot of harm as test nations...
Get DBD and SNE in the team telling them they’ve got at least 4 tests. That aside unless the ECB moves away from their obsession with one day stuff predominantly T20 and the upcoming franchise nonsense then as a test nation we’re f***ed anyway.
Couple of Kent players. Surely the answer. Any other mid table division two stalwarts we can pick?
Even I know that's bonkers as a Kent fan. If SNE has a good year this year he might be able to get a go next winter at the earliest. I will be shocked if DBD ever plays for the England team in any format.
As for T20 "franchise nonsense"... it's really done India and Australia a lot of harm as test nations...
Yeah, gets me irritated when people start slagging it off before they-ve even seen it. As you say, its not exactly done India or Oz badly has it ?? I tell you something - its going to be a huge hit when it arrives - and about time too.
Franchise might work overseas but I don’t care about them. I couldn’t care if a London team contained 11 Kent players. I ain’t interested simply because it’s not Kent is it. I don’t need to see it here to slag it off. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever. The ECB’s apparent fondness for It will be to the detriment of our test team and for me that’s what matters most. Please don’t kid yourself that players opting to play only white ball cricket will result in anything else other than harming our prospects at the pinnacle of the game. BTW SNE don’t play for Kent no more and albeit a team maybe mid-table Div2 ought not to exclude an individual from playing for the test team.
Franchise might work overseas but I don’t care about them. I couldn’t care if a London team contained 11 Kent players. I ain’t interested simply because it’s not Kent is it. I don’t need to see it here to slag it off. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever. The ECB’s apparent fondness for It will be to the detriment of our test team and for me that’s what matters most. Please don’t kid yourself that players opting to play only white ball cricket will result in anything else other than harming our prospects at the pinnacle of the game. BTW SNE don’t play for Kent no more and albeit a team maybe mid-table Div2 ought not to exclude an individual from playing for the test team.
Regardless of you not caring about them, Has Franchise cricket been to the detriment of India and Australia at Test level ? Players opting to only play white ball crciket is nothing new - there have always been white-ball specialists, stretching back to Hollioakes, and now the likes of Hales and Rashid - and thats predominantly because they weren't very good Test Match players !
Franchise might work overseas but I don’t care about them. I couldn’t care if a London team contained 11 Kent players. I ain’t interested simply because it’s not Kent is it. I don’t need to see it here to slag it off. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever. The ECB’s apparent fondness for It will be to the detriment of our test team and for me that’s what matters most. Please don’t kid yourself that players opting to play only white ball cricket will result in anything else other than harming our prospects at the pinnacle of the game. BTW SNE don’t play for Kent no more and albeit a team maybe mid-table Div2 ought not to exclude an individual from playing for the test team.
so what players are England currently missing out on because they have opted to play white ball cricket only?
Ah yes Canters, 'that' one ! - tell you what, i've got a day off tomorrow, aside from watching us via IFollow, i'll read them and come back with a response. i have no doubt that your points are very valid and well thought out as usual.
A little bit off-topic, but i noticed that the APL has its inaugural event starting this year in October. Now, the APL is the Afghan Premier League, and the only reason they are holding it in October is because its one of only 2 months of the year where there currently isnt a T20 tournament going on somewhere in the World.
I’m not taking a short term view. In time losing players who’ve clearly a higher degree of ability can only be a bad thing. Players opting for white ball cricket only is a new thing for us and if players like Jimmy Anderson are concerned about it then so am I. There’s a wonderful irony where so many would dismiss franchises for football but it’s ok for cricket apparently. Those of you saying that IPL and Big Bash haven’t affected the test countries ought to look at the crowds that go to watch their test cricket. They are dwindling. If you like wham bam cricket then fine but if you cherish the ultimate test that cricket can provide you’ll be concerned about where the game is heading. The recent high level resignations would seem to suggest that Jimmy and I are not the only ones!
Franchise might work overseas but I don’t care about them. I couldn’t care if a London team contained 11 Kent players. I ain’t interested simply because it’s not Kent is it. I don’t need to see it here to slag it off. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever. The ECB’s apparent fondness for It will be to the detriment of our test team and for me that’s what matters most. Please don’t kid yourself that players opting to play only white ball cricket will result in anything else other than harming our prospects at the pinnacle of the game. BTW SNE don’t play for Kent no more and albeit a team maybe mid-table Div2 ought not to exclude an individual from playing for the test team.
Regardless of you not caring about them, Has Franchise cricket been to the detriment of India and Australia at Test level ? Players opting to only play white ball crciket is nothing new - there have always been white-ball specialists, stretching back to Hollioakes, and now the likes of Hales and Rashid - and thats predominantly because they weren't very good Test Match players !
President please tell which county you support and if you’d be happy to buy a season ticket to watch a local franchise that contained none of their players. In addition, whilst this competition is going on please tell me how you believe it benefits the game in this country. Further to that since the franchise cricket is supposedly going to inspire kids across the U.K. how you see those living in the West Country for example are going to be touched by this since they won’t be playing anywhere near them!
Even I know that's bonkers as a Kent fan. If SNE has a good year this year he might be able to get a go next winter at the earliest. I will be shocked if DBD ever plays for the England team in any format.
As for T20 "franchise nonsense"... it's really done India and Australia a lot of harm as test nations...
Callum you need to pay closer attention Daniel has played for England U19s and England Lions. Not sure why you’d think either of those two are less deserving than a number of the current incumbents, they couldn’t do much worse!
Maybe not one for the long term future, but of the Kent players surely Joe Denly is most deserving? Our top scorer last season, and with international T20 experience this winter so he's used to playing in other conditions
Franchise might work overseas but I don’t care about them. I couldn’t care if a London team contained 11 Kent players. I ain’t interested simply because it’s not Kent is it. I don’t need to see it here to slag it off. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever. The ECB’s apparent fondness for It will be to the detriment of our test team and for me that’s what matters most. Please don’t kid yourself that players opting to play only white ball cricket will result in anything else other than harming our prospects at the pinnacle of the game. BTW SNE don’t play for Kent no more and albeit a team maybe mid-table Div2 ought not to exclude an individual from playing for the test team.
Regardless of you not caring about them, Has Franchise cricket been to the detriment of India and Australia at Test level ? Players opting to only play white ball crciket is nothing new - there have always been white-ball specialists, stretching back to Hollioakes, and now the likes of Hales and Rashid - and thats predominantly because they weren't very good Test Match players !
President please tell which county you support and if you’d be happy to buy a season ticket to watch a local franchise that contained none of their players. In addition, whilst this competition is going on please tell me how you believe it benefits the game in this country. Further to that since the franchise cricket is supposedly going to inspire kids across the U.K. how you see those living in the West Country for example are going to be touched by this since they won’t be playing anywhere near them!
Phil, i'm a Surrey fan, in my day, it was much easier to get on the 53 bus from Plumstead Common to The Oval than have to schlepp it down to Tonbridge,Maidstone or Canterbury, although i did have trials for Kent...once..but failed miserably. Oh, and also i have played Cricket at International level too. I would be very happy to buy a season ticket to watch any cricket. When i worked in Portsmouth i was a regular at The Rose Bowl - i'm a cricket nut - dont care what form - although i find watching Womens cricket can be a bit turgid !. It benefits the country in many ways, and not just out on the pitch - everyone being around the likes of Kohli,ABDV and Rabada are going to benefit by just being with these guys in the nets or dressing room, and , as i keep saying, i'm a simple man, and given the choice of watching Rabada bowl to Gayle, and Narine to Stokes , or watch Stevens trundle up and bowl to Cobb, then i know what i would chose and i know what 95 per cent of the population would choose too. These guys would drag the standard up a notch or two for the England prospects and make England a better team - as has been experienced in India and Oz. TBH i cant see how you can use the West Country kids analogy because there are no Test Matches down there anyway. However, they do have the occasional ODI in Bristol.
Maybe not one for the long term future, but of the Kent players surely Joe Denly is most deserving? Our top scorer last season, and with international T20 experience this winter so he's used to playing in other conditions
Maybe not one for the long term future, but of the Kent players surely Joe Denly is most deserving? Our top scorer last season, and with international T20 experience this winter so he's used to playing in other conditions
Nice guy
But Denley? Cook maybe a bit better?
Not so much as a Cook replacement, but as a name for consideration, as to me he 's more deserving than SNE or DBD
Thanks for confirming Pres. I fail to see how players are going to learn from playing T20 whilst out in the middle for such a short space of time, if at all in those games. Again their specialty is T20 cricket and not the longer format. That may make them better at that but that’s all. The West Country analogy is very apt because I understand that one of the drivers for the franchise stuff is enthusing kids across the UK. That ain’t gonna happen when your nearest venue is so far away. At least if you made a trek to watch test cricket or a county game you’d see a full day’s play. I suspect that the vast majority of 95% of the population have no real interest in cricket and as such I don’t know why you’d want to include yourself in that. Given a choice of watching my county or a team I have no affiliation with then I’d chose my county every time. On the basis of your argument then I guess you’d prefer to watch Man City etc over Charlton? After all you’d rather watch Aguero than Magennis surely? Again given you clearly like your cricket I fail to understand why you don’t think that players opting to play white ball only damages the game at test level? Clearly it reduces the pool of players.
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If we want an opener though we should look no further than Rory Burns of Surrey. He is a tough fighter of an opener. Doesnt have the classiest cover drive but will fight and always make a score. I think he is exactly what we need. Has been vice captain for a while now and is to be captain this year.
Beyond that Hameed will be one hell of a player long term. Robson deserves another go in my book. He was thrown in too young and did alright (better than a number who followed him). He's gone away from the side and developed his game and learnt a lot. He has also taken on a leadership role. He is a much better player than when he was last tried for England.
Expect a declaration sometime shortly after lunch methinks.
As for T20 "franchise nonsense"... it's really done India and Australia a lot of harm as test nations...
I tell you something - its going to be a huge hit when it arrives - and about time too.
Players opting to only play white ball crciket is nothing new - there have always been white-ball specialists, stretching back to Hollioakes, and now the likes of Hales and Rashid - and thats predominantly because they weren't very good Test Match players !
Everything that made the IPL and big bash successful we are doing the complete opposite.
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/67756/t20-franchise-cricket#latest
i have no doubt that your points are very valid and well thought out as usual.
Now, the APL is the Afghan Premier League, and the only reason they are holding it in October is because its one of only 2 months of the year where there currently isnt a T20 tournament going on somewhere in the World.
There’s a wonderful irony where so many would dismiss franchises for football but it’s ok for cricket apparently.
Those of you saying that IPL and Big Bash haven’t affected the test countries ought to look at the crowds that go to watch their test cricket. They are dwindling.
If you like wham bam cricket then fine but if you cherish the ultimate test that cricket can provide you’ll be concerned about where the game is heading.
The recent high level resignations would seem to suggest that Jimmy and I are not the only ones!
In addition, whilst this competition is going on please tell me how you believe it benefits the game in this country.
Further to that since the franchise cricket is supposedly going to inspire kids across the U.K. how you see those living in the West Country for example are going to be touched by this since they won’t be playing anywhere near them!
Not sure why you’d think either of those two are less deserving than a number of the current incumbents, they couldn’t do much worse!
I would be very happy to buy a season ticket to watch any cricket. When i worked in Portsmouth i was a regular at The Rose Bowl - i'm a cricket nut - dont care what form - although i find watching Womens cricket can be a bit turgid !.
It benefits the country in many ways, and not just out on the pitch - everyone being around the likes of Kohli,ABDV and Rabada are going to benefit by just being with these guys in the nets or dressing room, and , as i keep saying, i'm a simple man, and given the choice of watching Rabada bowl to Gayle, and Narine to Stokes , or watch Stevens trundle up and bowl to Cobb, then i know what i would chose and i know what 95 per cent of the population would choose too. These guys would drag the standard up a notch or two for the England prospects and make England a better team - as has been experienced in India and Oz.
TBH i cant see how you can use the West Country kids analogy because there are no Test Matches down there anyway. However, they do have the occasional ODI in Bristol.
But Denley? Cook maybe a bit better?
I fail to see how players are going to learn from playing T20 whilst out in the middle for such a short space of time, if at all in those games. Again their specialty is T20 cricket and not the longer format. That may make them better at that but that’s all.
The West Country analogy is very apt because I understand that one of the drivers for the franchise stuff is enthusing kids across the UK. That ain’t gonna happen when your nearest venue is so far away.
At least if you made a trek to watch test cricket or a county game you’d see a full day’s play.
I suspect that the vast majority of 95% of the population have no real interest in cricket and as such I don’t know why you’d want to include yourself in that.
Given a choice of watching my county or a team I have no affiliation with then I’d chose my county every time.
On the basis of your argument then I guess you’d prefer to watch Man City etc over Charlton? After all you’d rather watch Aguero than Magennis surely?
Again given you clearly like your cricket I fail to understand why you don’t think that players opting to play white ball only damages the game at test level? Clearly it reduces the pool of players.