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England Cricket - Summer of 2018

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  • Riviera said:

    I'm at Lords today with a few mates. Weather looks crap, Golfie must have a ticket too!

    You'll be able to concentrate on Charlton Life instead, as all our transfers are unveiled
  • Riviera said:

    I'm at Lords today with a few mates. Weather looks crap, Golfie must have a ticket too!

    You'll be able to concentrate on Charlton Life instead, as all our transfers are unveiled
    Hmmmm. You don't know me that well do you?
  • edited August 2018
    Riviera said:

    Don't know where you've seen calls for Bell to be recalled.

    Well there has been plenty of calls for him to be recalled from idiots on social media. And then yesterday he did an interview on the BBC sport website saying he wants to get back in the side.
  • I suppose one question that comes up is...why did Stokes go to a gay club?

    It's not a gay club.
    How do you know?
  • Riviera said:

    Don't know where you've seen calls for Bell to be recalled.

    Well there has been plenty of calls for him to be recalled from idiots on social media. And then yesterday he did an interview on the BBC sport website saying he wants to get back in the side.
    Something on cric info too ....
  • Bell is a very strange case, was moved up the order then dropped when he was still our best 5, it's hard to say that he has really been replaced with anyone better.

    I think his ship has sailed but do feel he was wrongly dropped in the first place.
  • edited August 2018
    Riviera said:

    I'm at Lords today with a few mates. Weather looks crap, Golfie must have a ticket too!

    not there sadly, but hoping to watch on tv....

    whats the weather like there ?? raining here in sevenoaks.... sigh.
  • Is this the first time England have ever had three keepers in the same Test side?
  • Stewart and Russell must have been in the same team. Wondering if another joined them, even if they didn't keep wicket for England
  • edited August 2018
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  • trescothick ?
  • John Crawley maybe?
  • Riviera said:

    PaddyP17 said:

    I suppose one question that comes up is...why did Stokes go to a gay club?

    1) It's not a gay club. (They're actually down the bottom of Park Street, near the Banksy, down the stairs just before College Green - 10 mins or so from Mbargos. OMG did £1 Jagerbombs on a Wednesday and was always an excellent night out.)

    2) Who gives a shit if he's gay or not?
    His wife?
    Lol that's a fair point
  • I suppose one question that comes up is...why did Stokes go to a gay club?

    It's not a gay club.
    How do you know?
    Hi, former Bristol resident and party animal here.

    Definitely not a gay club. Just a shithole.
  • lolwray said:

    not sure if woakes has enough bowling behind him to go into a 5 day test .be good to see how Curran goes again ..some talk about Ian Bell wanting his place back again

    you mention Bell ? .. he's the player that Pope reminds me of .. short & sweet

  • Riviera said:

    I'm at Lords today with a few mates. Weather looks crap, Golfie must have a ticket too!

    Forecast for today is pretty dismal, light rain most of the day
  • on The jubilee line but working out a back up plan for this morning.....
  • lolwray said:

    not sure if woakes has enough bowling behind him to go into a 5 day test .be good to see how Curran goes again ..some talk about Ian Bell wanting his place back again

    you mention Bell ? .. he's the player that Pope reminds me of .. short & sweet

    both members of the "strawberry blonde club " too
  • thinking about it maybe there should have been a plume of black smoke coming from the Lords committee room when Pope was selected
  • Butler, JB and Billings have played in the same one day team haven't they?
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  • MrOneLung said:

    trescothick ?

    Ben18 said:

    John Crawley maybe?

    Both good shouts but they were occasional wicket keepers unlike Pope who has always kept including for the England U19s and has good potential do the job for England on a regular basis.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    Butler, JB and Billings have played in the same one day team haven't they?

    That is indeed the case which is why I asked about "Test" side.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    Butler, JB and Billings have played in the same one day team haven't they?

    That is indeed the case which is why I asked about "Test" side.
    Sorry really should read all the posts!
  • lolwray said:

    thinking about it maybe there should have been a plume of black smoke coming from the Lords committee room when Pope was selected

    methinks that should be white smoke ?
  • Is this the first time England have ever had three keepers in the same Test side?

    There seem to be more players these days who keep wicket, without devoting their career to it like the Bob Taylors or Jack Russells did, so they can also play as batsmen and field elsewhere.

    Apart from the batting, I can't imagine the Russells or Knotts fielding in the slips or the covers.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    Butler, JB and Billings have played in the same one day team haven't they?

    That is indeed the case which is why I asked about "Test" side.
    four might be the record
    http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/four-wicket-keepers-in-a-single-test-29275
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    Butler, JB and Billings have played in the same one day team haven't they?

    That is indeed the case which is why I asked about "Test" side.
    four might be the record
    http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/four-wicket-keepers-in-a-single-test-29275
    Excellent article although the four weren't actually selected for the Test side - two were subs.
  • Is this the first time England have ever had three keepers in the same Test side?

    There seem to be more players these days who keep wicket, without devoting their career to it like the Bob Taylors or Jack Russells did, so they can also play as batsmen and field elsewhere.

    Apart from the batting, I can't imagine the Russells or Knotts fielding in the slips or the covers.
    The reason being that you have to be able to bat in the top six or seven of a county side from an early age - it is no longer a specialist position and the likes of Stewart and Gilchrist in particular changed that at international level.
  • Maybe one day we will have Pope, Foakes, Bairstow and Butter in the same team.

    Ok, who do people think is the greatest wicketkeeper batsman of all time? I'm torn between Sangakkara (does he really count?) Or Andy "Essex legend" Flower :)
  • Riviera said:

    lolwray said:

    not sure if woakes has enough bowling behind him to go into a 5 day test .be good to see how Curran goes again ..some talk about Ian Bell wanting his place back again

    God why won't this talk about Ian Bell go away. You can tell the people who follow county cricket and those who don't. The last 2 years in division 1 he scored barely any runs in all formats including no centuries at an average of barely 20. His lack of runs (and Trotts) was a big reason why they went down. He's dropped down to division 2 and has managed to score a few runs against lesser bowling attacks (2 centuries at a reasonable average). That's given him a bit of confidence to get a few decent scores at an average strike rate in the slogfest.

    No way does his form warrant a test recall. Really really frustrates me. He was a great player for us over many years but his time has gone.
    We had it with Ramps but in a different way. He kept scoring in the CC and heavily so but people couldn't understand that he simply didn't have what it took to achieve at the highest level and kept calling for his recall up to 2009.
    Bell was a fine player but his time has long passed.
    I agree to a certain extent. But with ramps there was at least the argument of sheer weight of runs, consistently, in division 1 over a period of years. Plus there was the argument that him coming into the side as an experienced pro who had captained Surrey and knew his game inside out and would be coming into a more settled side than the one of the 90s, he would be more able to transfer his county form to the international stage.

    Bell has none of that. No weight of runs (other than the last couple of months) the opposite of consistent and in the second division. His captaincy flopped and he failed to score the runs to keep his side up (when they had begun the season talking about winning the championship).

    Bell only really had success for England at 5 or 6 which is where we have a whole host of options. He's not the answer to our opener or 3 problems so ignore him.
    Neither Bell or Ramps were worthy of a recall but at least, once upon a time, Bell was a proven test player. Ramps failed repeatedly at test level.

    Ramps test average 27.32
    Bell test average 42.69
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