Solly has been a fantastic servant for the club. His knee(?) injury has caught up with him and played less and less. Matthews has been a suitable deputy. I respect Chris's decision as if he did get another injury then us, and other teams, would not offer another contract. He is probably high risk due to previous history. I don't blame him. He probably will get another chance elsewhere so why risk it, especially if he knows he isn't getting abother contract (we don't know whats been said).
If Solly is that worried about playing a few games (mainly from the bench), why would another club give him a contract for a whole year?
Solly would likely end up playing in League One with a mid table club who would jump at the chance of having his experience on board. He wouldn’t make the same money, but it would be better than nothing at all.
Shame for everyone that he’s gonna leave on a sour note. Can’t blame him personally as I’m pretty sure we’d all do the same. It’s just a shame the way it’s planned out.
seems like he’s gonna get a prem move and good luck to him - without him we wouldn’t be where we are now that’s for sure
I can blame him personally.
He is a professional footballer under contract to play football for the club that pay his wages.
I don't blame him for wanting to leave the club, but I do blame him for not seeing out his contract.
Will we play a game before his contract expires at the end of June? 1 game maybe, 2 max.
We'll possibly fine him wages for the weeks he refuses to play and that'll be that.
If he's that disinterested, Bowyer is obviously better off planning for all games without him.
If we're playing 2 games a week and starting 20th June, I'd expect us to play at least 3 games before the end of June.
It annoys me that Lyle can pick and choose when he wants to play, or when he wants to be professional, or when he wants to respect Bowyer, the man who brought him to the club and has supported him through everything. It’s not too much to ask to fulfil your contract and play, even if it is until the end of June. 4 matches is not a lot to ask, when those 4 matches are huge for our club’s future.
I know it will never happen in football, but if someone in any other walk of life refuses to do their job or breaks the agreement in their contract, they will get the consequences from those decisions. In football it doesn’t happen. But maybe not being paid for the remainder of the contract is the way forward. If you won’t fulfil your end of the contract, why should the employer have to?
If he is refusing to play for no valid reason (and not wanting to get injured is absolutely not a valid reason) it is a repudiatory breach of contract. He should not be paid for June and his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.
I reckon he’d be over the moon with that, could sign for his new club tomorrow and triple his wages a month early!
It annoys me that Lyle can pick and choose when he wants to play, or when he wants to be professional, or when he wants to respect Bowyer, the man who brought him to the club and has supported him through everything. It’s not too much to ask to fulfil your contract and play, even if it is until the end of June. 4 matches is not a lot to ask, when those 4 matches are huge for our club’s future.
I know it will never happen in football, but if someone in any other walk of life refuses to do their job or breaks the agreement in their contract, they will get the consequences from those decisions. In football it doesn’t happen. But maybe not being paid for the remainder of the contract is the way forward. If you won’t fulfil your end of the contract, why should the employer have to?
If he is refusing to play for no valid reason (and not wanting to get injured is absolutely not a valid reason) it is a repudiatory breach of contract. He should not be paid for June and his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.
I reckon he’d be over the moon with that, could sign for his new club tomorrow and triple his wages a month early!
Nobody is going to pay him a ton of money when he's a couple of months away from being able to play. He'll still have to wait a 6/8 weeks for a club to give him a deal.
Shame for everyone that he’s gonna leave on a sour note. Can’t blame him personally as I’m pretty sure we’d all do the same. It’s just a shame the way it’s planned out.
seems like he’s gonna get a prem move and good luck to him - without him we wouldn’t be where we are now that’s for sure
I can blame him personally.
He is a professional footballer under contract to play football for the club that pay his wages.
I don't blame him for wanting to leave the club, but I do blame him for not seeing out his contract.
Will we play a game before his contract expires at the end of June? 1 game maybe, 2 max.
We'll possibly fine him wages for the weeks he refuses to play and that'll be that.
If he's that disinterested, Bowyer is obviously better off planning for all games without him.
If we're playing 2 games a week and starting 20th June, I'd expect us to play at least 3 games before the end of June.
Yes true but i thought the 20th was only provisional and might move back a week?
from what I have read on here Lyle is saying that he will not play as he might get injured. Now if he was saying that he would not play as he was worried about catching Coronavirus I could understand and accept. But not to honour his contract in case he gets injured is wrong, imagine if every player approaching the end of their contract said I'm not playing in the final few matches - sorry Lyle thought that you were an honourable man - seems not.
It annoys me that Lyle can pick and choose when he wants to play, or when he wants to be professional, or when he wants to respect Bowyer, the man who brought him to the club and has supported him through everything. It’s not too much to ask to fulfil your contract and play, even if it is until the end of June. 4 matches is not a lot to ask, when those 4 matches are huge for our club’s future.
I know it will never happen in football, but if someone in any other walk of life refuses to do their job or breaks the agreement in their contract, they will get the consequences from those decisions. In football it doesn’t happen. But maybe not being paid for the remainder of the contract is the way forward. If you won’t fulfil your end of the contract, why should the employer have to?
If he is refusing to play for no valid reason (and not wanting to get injured is absolutely not a valid reason) it is a repudiatory breach of contract. He should not be paid for June and his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.
I reckon he’d be over the moon with that, could sign for his new club tomorrow and triple his wages a month early!
I've said on here before that you have to look at why a player with his undoubted talent has, at the age of 30, only played half a season outside the third tier or the mickey mouse Scottish leagues.
Refusing to play through fear of injury is such a cowards way out, in any normal season he wouldn't have not be able to choose when he plays. Also very surprised at Solly, if he is doing the same as Lyle to protect himself for a move its a disgrace!
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Can't say I'm not gutted. Bowyer who comes from a time where footballers like him had pride, grit and determination is probably thinking Lyle is a right lightweight especially after seeing his comments this morning.
Obviously Lyle can be expected to feel let down by Roland and ESI and probably thinks feck em!! .. But wheres his pride to say I'll go out with my head held high and show that your the better person by fullfilling your contract!
Clearly money dictates all but it's not a good way to leave the club. He should play until the 30th June anything less leaves a bitter taste.
Whist it's disappointing Lyle won't be playing let's not kid ourselves that he would score enough keep us up, we lost 4 of our last 5 games and only scored in 1 of them - (Lyle with 2 of the 3 against Luton).
I think we have a better chance of staying up now we know who we will have back wanting to play as I think we were 100% going down had the season carried on with Lyle playing.
Lyle's position is understandable but deeply disappointing. It's a hammer blow to our chances of survival, which were probably less than 50/50 anyway. He's contracted until 30 June and should, in my view, play the two or three games this month. It's not as if the 2020/21 season is going to start in August either.
To complete the extended season, he'd need to have a binding pre-contract with his new club and their consent to play on. Some kind of insurance policy could probably be taken out to protect their and Lyle's interests but, given our deplorable ownership, that looks a forlorn hope.
If he was refusing to play was for COVID reasons I could understand but because he might get injured is ridiculous. No sympathy whatsoever for him .
Bugger off Lyle and take that ego with you .
Yes, I agree with this. If concerns over COVID had been his rationale that would have been more acceptable to my mind. If, as a minimum, he says he would honour his contract term and play in any games up to the end of that (presumably to 30th June), then at least that is a half way house. But to effectively down tools does not sit well with me regardless of what he hopes may be coming his way.
I don't the employment law rules but in the current situation if it's safe to go to work and you refuse would you expect to be sacked?
In Taylors case, or any employee/employer case, I feel you should show some loyalty to an employer who paid you whilst you were unable to work due to injuring yourself whilst working for another company (which your main employer has no control over) and at least fulfil your contractual obligations.
I am deeply disappointed in Taylor's attitude. Not that he'll probably give a shit.
This. It's one thing not signing a new contract or wanting to leave, but its another refusing to play when you are being paid for another 2 months.
1 month and possibly only 1-2 games before his contract ends on 30 June.
I thought players were paid until the end of July, if they are not fixed up with another club,even though contracts finish end of June? If so 2 months and 3/4 games.
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Why?
Hes under contract. This covid crisis is strange times but it’s not a free for all excuse wise. If he did this in December cos he could get a move in January would you be so forgiving?
Charlton fans have always been of the manner that if you try hard, put in the effort, then we will respect you. Literally telling the manager you don’t want to play cos you don’t wanna get injured is the polar opposite of that and you should prepare yourself for a bit of stuck.
I’m going to put my bitter hat on and just say Half of his goals this season were penalties. Runs around like headless chicken at times and is one big drama queen.
Think the club is missing a trick. He should be called in but but allowed to train get him to do other jobs round the club. As at least that would disrupt his train routine. I do complety get his stance though as we all would do it. Also I would publicly mention the club if they are in the same division as us as surely that's a breach of fair competition
No. He won't be able to play until the transfer/registration period reopens.
Is this the case? So his contract with CAFC finishes, but he is not able to register with a new club. Does that sound right? Obviously, it's the EFL so anything could happen but it sounds as though he is prevented from earning. I get that he shouldn't be allowed to play for another team in this season, but is there a case that he should be allowed to join another team to prepare for whenever 2020/21 starts.
Shame if he isn't playing but let's be under no illusions where most players' loyalties lie.
Very disappointed. If it was health concerns with the virus I could understand it, but if it’s concerns with his next job, surely that’s a sacking offence?
There's not really a debate to be had here to be honest. We would rather have Lyle available for the rest of our games and he won't be which is upsetting for us, but we can probably all see where he's coming from and see his logic even if we don't like it. He's been knobbed about by Roland, and then again publicly by Southall, has a bad injury still fresh in his mind and will view his contributions to Charlton in his time here as being sufficient repayment for his wages. We don't have to like that though and we won't.
I'm oddly a bit more annoyed about the fact his justification appears to be that he thinks he'd be so worried about being injured he wouldn't be the same player. That sounds to be like a total cop-out story from an intelligent man who realises just flat out refusing hasn't gone down well with his manager, so he needs to change the narrative a little. Regardless though, it's not really ok for him to refuse to play any games that would still normally be within his contract. We at least deserve to get any games that take place before 30th June out of him and there should be no debate there. We can fine him for refusing to play in that time, but if the reason that he's not playing is because he's got a big life-changing contract lined up then see if he gives a shit.
Main thing I'm interested in now is how many other teams are in the same position as us? If enough of our rival teams are in the same position then great, but I doubt there's any other teams with contract situations that are as stupid as ours.
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If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
This x 1000
They need suspending without pay until their contracts are up if you ask me.
Obviously Lyle can be expected to feel let down by Roland and ESI and probably thinks feck em!! .. But wheres his pride to say I'll go out with my head held high and show that your the better person by fullfilling your contract!
Clearly money dictates all but it's not a good way to leave the club. He should play until the 30th June anything less leaves a bitter taste.
I think we have a better chance of staying up now we know who we will have back wanting to play as I think we were 100% going down had the season carried on with Lyle playing.
To complete the extended season, he'd need to have a binding pre-contract with his new club and their consent to play on. Some kind of insurance policy could probably be taken out to protect their and Lyle's interests but, given our deplorable ownership, that looks a forlorn hope.
Another gut punch.
Would Solly have been considered for a coaching role, next season, which he may not be able to do if he were to get injured?
If so 2 months and 3/4 games.
Hes under contract. This covid crisis is strange times but it’s not a free for all excuse wise. If he did this in December cos he could get a move in January would you be so forgiving?
Shame if he isn't playing but let's be under no illusions where most players' loyalties lie.