My first thought when I heard this was I can't blame him. He hasn't been treated well. You would expect a club being run by anybody who knows even a little bit about football and players that you keep you best players happy. I suppose that lets us out. We still have Bowyer and if anybody can keep us up, he can though.
And the reality is, players that don't know if their wages are going to be paid until the last minute and are out of contract in a few weeks have probably lined up their next club and if so will be under instructions not to risk injury.
but that happens to hundreds of players every season who are coming to the end of their contracts but they don't down tools and refuse to play. I have no problem with Lyle doing what he likes from 1st July as it's eff all to do with us then but until 30th June he should play and if he get's injured then tough, it's happened before and it will happen again.
Sacking and suing a player during a worldwide pandemic isn't a good look.
I feel like Taylor knows that Charlton can't do anything without coming off as the bad side. So he can do what he likes.
It sucks and we're probably relegated, but he's making a decision he feels benefits him the most.
Funny
Matt Southall made decisions he felt would benefit him the most too.
Southall wasn't being 'forced' to play football during a worldwide pandemic.
I'm surprised more footballers aren't coming out and telling the EFL to get stuffed. They're being asked to risk their lives to 'improve morale' for the population. Treated like commodities and not people.
Bloody hell, how many times do you need telling? According to Bowyer, it's not to do with the pandemic, it's to do with the greedy bastard, refusing to play as he doesn't want to get injured.
Rumours on the reliable source that is Facebook that Lyle is only training and won't be playing for us again. Apparently he doesn't want to risk getting injured.
Nah don’t buy that. If he wasn’t playing for us again, I’m sure the club wouldn’t have him in for training / providing his twice weekly testing etc.
Wouldn't you have him in for training anyway in the hope that he'd change his mind once he was back in the swing of things?
Solly is out of contract as well, choosing not to play.
Won't get half the abuse that Taylor will.
If fear of injury is behind it with Solly that's more understandable.
With his medical history he will needs to give himself every chance to find another club if we've offered nothing to someone that's given us 10 good years.
Was gonna say that it don't seem like any other reasons LT has made this decision, listening to Bowyer's interview (eg; Court cases / Covid etc.), and I personally don't buy into the idea that Bowyer would play silly games like using "fan pressure" to get a player to turn out. Also don't think LT would give a sh1t what fans were saying to him regarding his "big move" **chortles**
IF ... A BIG if ... that he’s signed an agreement with Middlesbrough or any other relegation candidate, and they don’t want him to play, that would surely be a conflict of interests that the EFL would want to investigate. As others have said, a good reason for the season to be voided
Been painting all day so just catching up with this thread.
I'm not surprised by Taylor's decision as he has never shown loyalty in his career. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe including loans he has played for 14 different clubs. The longest he has ever hung around is 3 years at Wimbledon. He is not particularly in love with football and only sees it as a way of earning as much as he can. I have no problem with that as he has never played top flight football and has never been a big earner (in footballing terms). But refusing to play now with us in our current position is poor form in my opinion. Thanks for what you done while you was here Lyle but you are leaving us in the shit. I personally will never remember him with the same amount of affection and respect that I do for Mendonca and Kermorgant and others. So jog on and leave us to try and fight our way out of this mess .
It does not look like he is actually refusing to honour his contract to the end of June. It’s more like he has said to Bowyer, if you pick me, I will play. But, I will not run very fast, I will not tackle, my heart will not be in it, I will be a passenger. So don’t pick me.
I think it’s shit, and he’s down in my estimation, to just another player, driven by money. But, I do understand why, and can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if in his position. However, I hope his big move is to fucking some one shit like Brentford, and he never scores again.
I remember Garry Nelson explaining that footballers are contracted to train because they may not play due to injury, loss of form, etc. so if he is training he’ll not be in breach of contract but may miss out on any appearance fees, win bonuses (little joke there to lighten the mood 😉), etc.
He should be sacked and no last wage paid. Perhaps his new club might think he can not be trusted to see out a contract. If the club had said we are not going to play you and not pay you he would take the club to court. He has a contract to see out. Don`t get me wrong Taylor has been great for the club but you can`t just do that when you have a contract.
He should be sacked and no last wage paid. Perhaps his new club might think he can not be trusted. If the club had said we are not going to play you and not pay you he would take the club to court. He has a contract to see out.
Derby showed this season the power that players how these days
If players arent going to be sacked for driving under the influence and causing a dangerous crash then what hope is there
No one will care that we've sacked Taylor for non scandalous reasons
They'll simply see it to their advantage that they're getting a decent Striker which they'll see as our loss as we didnt offer enough to keep him
Did people really ever compare Taylor to the likes of Yann? I even see him ranked alongside Mendonca.
He’s not even fit to lace Kermorgants boots. I’ve always said that and even more so now.
In terms of footballing ability he was comparable to Yann for us, in terms of class he seemed comparable, however, that has faltered somewhat with the latest news...
Rumours on the reliable source that is Facebook that Lyle is only training and won't be playing for us again. Apparently he doesn't want to risk getting injured.
Nah don’t buy that. If he wasn’t playing for us again, I’m sure the club wouldn’t have him in for training / providing his twice weekly testing etc.
Wouldn't you have him in for training anyway in the hope that he'd change his mind once he was back in the swing of things?
Longshot probably but one worth taking I'd say.
As much as a Taylor is influential for us no I wouldn’t. I’d tell him to do one.
Players play for their clubs knowing that their contracts are about to expire, that happens all the time
Yes he was younger, but Patrick Bauer for example scored the winning goal at Wembley (and still celebrates the moment) knowing that he was likely to leave. Ditto Aribo
Imagine if either of them had downed tools in April...
This. Bauer will forever be a hero due to that goal. Taylor could do the same if he played & scored the winner v Millwall.
Lyle is a fine player and I've really enjoyed watching him play. Roland should have signed him to a longer and more lucrative contract when he proved his worth to the team in our promotion year. But Roland has always been a bit of an asshole. Once a player gets into the last year of his contract then they are always likely to run their contract down, especially if you are as good as Taylor. I saw this coming, I'm sure most of us did. We 'hoped' he would re-sign for us but can't blame him for going to a bigger club with a great financial deal. Also can't really blame him for his current stance. In his position I'd probably do the same.
Been painting all day so just catching up with this thread.
I'm not surprised by Taylor's decision as he has never shown loyalty in his career. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe including loans he has played for 14 different clubs. The longest he has ever hung around is 3 years at Wimbledon. He is not particularly in love with football and only sees it as a way of earning as much as he can. I have no problem with that as he has never played top flight football and has never been a big earner (in footballing terms). But refusing to play now with us in our current position is poor form in my opinion. Thanks for what you done while you was here Lyle but you are leaving us in the shit. I personally will never remember him with the same amount of affection and respect that I do for Mendonca and Kermorgant and others. So jog on and leave us to try and fight our way out of this mess .
Yann refused to play for us and most people would let him Wank in their pocket.
Probably need to hear from the players before judging but on the face of it, that’s shitty by Taylor. I get it, it’s a life changing deal to another club. But fk me, we’re doomed without him. He knows how crucial it is to stay up. What happened to the chest thumping spirit?
I need to hear from the players as to how they’ve come to this decision, if indeed they have, before I lose my shit. Unfortunately, I think I’m going to have the same feeling I had when Parker left.
Obviously I get why people are upset, but objectively, can you think of how more shambolically a football club could have possibly be ran than we have been in the 2 years Lyle Taylor signed to us for? I can't even really list everything that's happened off the top of my head it's been so absurd.
If you aren't a fan, why would you do anything more? That's awful for us fans and makes us the losers of it all, but Taylor has basically been central to any remote bit of hope we've had throughout this time, and deserves better than the absolute sh*tshow we currently are. Good luck to him.
There is somebody else with a very strong financial interest in him not getting injured, and scuppering a big money move.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.
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but that happens to hundreds of players every season who are coming to the end of their contracts but they don't down tools and refuse to play. I have no problem with Lyle doing what he likes from 1st July as it's eff all to do with us then but until 30th June he should play and if he get's injured then tough, it's happened before and it will happen again.
According to Bowyer, it's not to do with the pandemic, it's to do with the greedy bastard, refusing to play as he doesn't want to get injured.
Plotting not having to play a game for Charlton again. 😉
With @Ollywozere snooping behind them.
You supported Taylor for not playing due to Covid19 concerns.
Longshot probably but one worth taking I'd say.
With his medical history he will needs to give himself every chance to find another club if we've offered nothing to someone that's given us 10 good years.
Loyalty cuts both ways.
I'm not surprised by Taylor's decision as he has never shown loyalty in his career.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe including loans he has played for 14 different clubs.
The longest he has ever hung around is 3 years at Wimbledon.
He is not particularly in love with football and only sees it as a way of earning as much as he can.
I have no problem with that as he has never played top flight football and has never been a big earner (in footballing terms).
But refusing to play now with us in our current position is poor form in my opinion.
Thanks for what you done while you was here Lyle but you are leaving us in the shit.
I personally will never remember him with the same amount of affection and respect that I do for Mendonca and Kermorgant and others.
So jog on and leave us to try and fight our way out of this mess .
If players arent going to be sacked for driving under the influence and causing a dangerous crash then what hope is there
No one will care that we've sacked Taylor for non scandalous reasons
They'll simply see it to their advantage that they're getting a decent Striker which they'll see as our loss as we didnt offer enough to keep him
He’s not even fit to lace Kermorgants boots. I’ve always said that and even more so now.
I'd say they're comparable.
Well, that's us fucked, good and proper. See you in Accrington and Rochdale next season.
Thats something he will never get.
Thats life.
Yann refused to play for us and most people would let him Wank in their pocket.
If you aren't a fan, why would you do anything more? That's awful for us fans and makes us the losers of it all, but Taylor has basically been central to any remote bit of hope we've had throughout this time, and deserves better than the absolute sh*tshow we currently are. Good luck to him.
His agent.
Cue the usual suspects giving me shit for being "obsessed". Save your thumbs lads. Instead remember when we suddenly were introduced to Bonne's agent in November. He was so thick and so far down the agent food chain that he broke the first agent rule: stay out of the public gaze. But he did us a favour and lifted a window on how these lowlife think.