99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all.
Still gutted though.
Don't agree with that, he's under contract I think more people would honour it than not. After June 30th I'd have no problem with him not playing.
We’re seeing this through fans’ eyes.
I'm seeing it through professional integrity eyes. My anger is through a fan's eyes.
You know what, I’ve had a little think about this, and read a fair few comments, and I’m now leaning more on your side. He’s under contract, and should should play. If he’s worried about getting injured he should consider taking out insurance.
Same applies to Chris Solly, who seems not to be taking as much stick as Lyle, even though we only have one other specialist right back.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
If the season starts on the 20th and his contract ends at the end of the month then surely he should be available in the 2, possibly 3 games in that period? He is still under contract. That said, he is doing another player out of a place in the team if he did that.
Would he have refused to play the last 9 games if the season had finished when it should have? Surely the injury he is worried about picking up could have occurred then as well.
Really disappointed with his attitude on this. Sadly the days of loyalty in football are long gone. It’s a shame that his time at the club is going end like this.
Anyway, £u3k him, It’s time for somebody else to step up and be the main man.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
As I said, Terminate his and Solly's contracts, they can sign for other sides and we can remove the bad energy that may be generated having want away players in training.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Absolutely agree with you, no one here would turn down a job that would secure their financial future ,for loyalty to their current employer let alone a basket case one,
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
So in response to the scenario in your first sentence, I would hand in my notice giving my contractual notice period. Obviously we have limited information about the details of his contract but I would be surprised if a footballer is simply allowed to give notice before a season ends citing a concern about getting injured as the cause. I am no expert on football contracts but I would be amazed if he is not in breach of his contract.
Similarly, if a football club wants to let an employee before the end of his contract they will have both contractual and legal obligations under employment law.
I am afraid these things still apply "in the real world" of football in 2020.
Hey folks I managed to post without using the "f" word 3 times.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Absolutely agree with you, no one here would turn down a job that would secure their financial future ,for loyalty to their current employer let alone a basket case one,
Refuse to play - have your contract terminated.
That should be it, if he is unwilling to play or negotiate on playing, then terminate the contract immediately. I am sure he'd accept it as fair. If he doesn't then hopefully the other clubs would pull out after seeing how he's conducted himself.
He'll get a good deal no matter what, but £40k a week? I doubt it.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
I agree with Ally Mccoist "But, when you sign a contract, any contract, any profession, any walk of life, if you're happy to sign the contract you should at least be happy to enough to honour the contract and see it out.
Personally, whenever I have given notice to an employer I have continued to do my job whilst being paid to do so.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
I agree with Ally Mccoist "But, when you sign a contract, any contract, any profession, any walk of life, if you're happy to sign the contract you should at least be happy to enough to honour the contract and see it out.
Personally, whenever I have given notice to an employer I have continued to do my job whilst being paid to do so.
The only thing about the argument that he should play til the end of his contract in the end of June is that obviously when signed, that would apply to playing up til mid May to end the season. Its obviously a completely unprecedented situation that he would be playing in Charlton colours 3 days before his contract expires and he is a member of another team.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
The only thing about the argument that he should play til the end of his contract in the end of June is that obviously when signed, that would apply to playing up til mid May to end the season. Its obviously a completely unprecedented situation that he would be playing in Charlton colours 3 days before his contract expires and he is a member of another team.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
Huh? His contract end date is June 30th, if he didn’t fancy playing beyond 31st May 2020 he should have co-termed the end date of his deal with his intentions.
I don't know if someone has already mentioned it on here, but I wonder if there's been input from the team he has lined up. We're all assuming it's Brentford based on their previous interest, what if Brentford are saying 'we'll pay you £20,000 a week from 1st July, do not under any circumstances play before then.' They might not care, but it's possible that he's been given a stern warning that he's not to play if he wants the deal to go through. Still annoying, but you'd understand it better
The only thing about the argument that he should play til the end of his contract in the end of June is that obviously when signed, that would apply to playing up til mid May to end the season. Its obviously a completely unprecedented situation that he would be playing in Charlton colours 3 days before his contract expires and he is a member of another team.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
I don't think anyone is blaming him for wanting to get out - but he's contractually free from 1 July, not 1 June.
The only thing about the argument that he should play til the end of his contract in the end of June is that obviously when signed, that would apply to playing up til mid May to end the season. Its obviously a completely unprecedented situation that he would be playing in Charlton colours 3 days before his contract expires and he is a member of another team.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
Huh? His contract end date is June 30th, if he didn’t fancy playing beyond 31st May 2020 he should have co-termed the end date of his deal with his intentions.
Taylor was happy to pick up wages when injured so he can't take any moral high ground on this. He knows the situation the club is in and he's bailed out - I've lost respect for him.
I don't know if someone has already mentioned it on here, but I wonder if there's been input from the team he has lined up. We're all assuming it's Brentford based on their previous interest, what if Brentford are saying 'we'll pay you £20,000 a week from 1st July, do not under any circumstances play before then.' They might not care, but it's possible that he's been given a stern warning that he's not to play if he wants the deal to go through. Still annoying, but you'd understand it better
Would you? If the case is as you lay out the Lyle is in breach of contract and Brentford are in breach of rules in place to prevent “tapping” other teams players up.
I’m not stupid, I know that players who are out of contract in the summer will be getting something lined up before the season ends - I don’t recall too many literally refusing to play for their current club whilst they are still in contract though. In fact, just looking at our current squad, quite a few are in a similar situation on the 1st of July, only two are behaving this way though.
I don't know if someone has already mentioned it on here, but I wonder if there's been input from the team he has lined up. We're all assuming it's Brentford based on their previous interest, what if Brentford are saying 'we'll pay you £20,000 a week from 1st July, do not under any circumstances play before then.' They might not care, but it's possible that he's been given a stern warning that he's not to play if he wants the deal to go through. Still annoying, but you'd understand it better
Would you? If the case is as you lay out the Lyle is in breach of contract and Brentford are in breach of rules in place to prevent “tapping” other teams players up.
I’m not stupid, I know that players who are out of contract in the summer will be getting something lined up before the season ends - I don’t recall too many literally refusing to play for their current club whilst they are still in contract though. In fact, just looking at our current squad, quite a few are in a similar situation on the 1st of July, only two are behaving this way though.
You're right, they can start talking to other clubs from January if their contract ends in June.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Absolutely agree with you, no one here would turn down a job that would secure their financial future ,for loyalty to their current employer let alone a basket case one,
Nobody is asking him to stick with his current employer after 30 June, but until then he is under contract.
The only thing about the argument that he should play til the end of his contract in the end of June is that obviously when signed, that would apply to playing up til mid May to end the season. Its obviously a completely unprecedented situation that he would be playing in Charlton colours 3 days before his contract expires and he is a member of another team.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
No it's definately not the same if they were to refuse to play a few games before the end of a normal season, however it is an unprecendented situation and there needs to be some thought on both sides.
Lyle refusing to play is a kick in the teeth to fans and yes while he doesn't have any loyalty to us and not that he should have, surely he must see that if he doesn't play, we are more likely to be relegated. The fact he doesn't care about that does show something about his character. if he doesn't care about the fans, what about his colleagues and friends? Life changes for relegated players and management.
Perhaps by training we have to play him, different matter if he doesn't turn up.
If he still wants to train how can that be realistic for the other players if they might go easy on him, or would they leave something on him at a tackle?
Perhaps by training we have to play him, different matter if he doesn't turn up.
I meant by training we have to PAY him.
There was a quote and link from today's Guardian that said he has not trained since last Tuesday. Perhaps he is turning up at Sparrows Lane using the facilities but not taking part in squad sessions!
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Professional football only exists because of us, the fans. Without us, the likes of Lyle Taylor, rather than turning up for a few hours a day, to run around, kicking a ball around, doing something they enjoy doing, would have to be doing the 9 - 5, like the majority of us. We stick around, only because of our need to idolise our heroes, legends, who shape the history of our club. Our heroes now are all in the past, thanks to actions like this from Taylor. I thought Covid might have brought back a sense of reality, and an appreciation by professional footballers of just how fortunate they are. Kill the admiration of the fans, the 9 year old kicking the ball around in the garden with his dad, the guy who has been going home and away for 50 odd year's, people like Seb, and you are killing the goose that layed the golden egg. What is happening to football cannot continue for much longer, people like me are not going to bother flying half the way around the world every year to support their team, when the Lyle Taylor's of this world cannot be arsed to pull on the shirt just a few more times to help us out in a crisis
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
In the real world, he has handed in his notice and will be leaving at the end of the month. That doesn’t appear to be the issue, the issue is that he is refusing to go to work during the notice period.
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Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
*EDIT* Obviously rip up Davis' loan contract too.
Similarly, if a football club wants to let an employee before the end of his contract they will have both contractual and legal obligations under employment law.
I am afraid these things still apply "in the real world" of football in 2020.
Hey folks I managed to post without using the "f" word 3 times.
He'll get a good deal no matter what, but £40k a week? I doubt it.
Personally, whenever I have given notice to an employer I have continued to do my job whilst being paid to do so.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
I don't think anyone is blaming him for wanting to get out - but he's contractually free from 1 July, not 1 June.
Without us, the likes of Lyle Taylor, rather than turning up for a few hours a day, to run around, kicking a ball around, doing something they enjoy doing, would have to be doing the 9 - 5, like the majority of us.
We stick around, only because of our need to idolise our heroes, legends, who shape the history of our club.
Our heroes now are all in the past, thanks to actions like this from Taylor.
I thought Covid might have brought back a sense of reality, and an appreciation by professional footballers of just how fortunate they are.
Kill the admiration of the fans, the 9 year old kicking the ball around in the garden with his dad, the guy who has been going home and away for 50 odd year's, people like Seb, and you are killing the goose that layed the golden egg.
What is happening to football cannot continue for much longer, people like me are not going to bother flying half the way around the world every year to support their team, when the Lyle Taylor's of this world cannot be arsed to pull on the shirt just a few more times to help us out in a crisis