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  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    [Am posting the following here as it concerns animal welfare and follows on from some information that I posted recently]

    From the Petitions team, UK Government and Parliament:

    Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Create a new independent welfare body to protect racehorses from abuse and death”.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211950
    The debate is scheduled for 15 October 2018.
    Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

    Animal advocates have been campaigning on this issue for years and having secured the support of more than 105,000 people who signed the petition are preparing for a debate.
    Ministers have backed the status quo (the British Horseracing Authority) but can do little to prevent the increasing public awareness of, and opposition to injury and death resulting from horse racing.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    DaveMehmet said:

    Stevelamb said:

    .

    An animal that kills millions of birds and small mammals every year.
    Apparently you only need to stick a bell on their collars and it's "problem solved"
  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    Some of that is bollocks. I can categorically state that not all of the health benefits you are currently seeing are remotely due to your vegan diet. I accept that some probably are. I would suggest that your previous health problems were far from the norm for anyone. Your previous lifestyle should perhaps be called into question.

    Perhaps most importantly from your post is you suggesting that people can be healthier without prescription drugs. It’s a dangerous and completely irresponsible thing to put out there.




    "Your previous lifestyle should perhaps be called into question."

    Unbelievable, just unbelievable.
    Bleeding an receding gums, high cholesterol, High blood pressure, spotty back, haemorrhoids, joint pain, upset stomach, tiredness, cracked finger nails, constipation, BMI issues and erectile dysfunction.

    Please tell me which part of those are unbelievable in suggesting your previous lifestyle was suspect and now have all miraculously disappeared due to eating lettuce.

    All of them as I no longer eat the standard western diet.
    It really is that simple but your doctor will not tell you that.........................yet.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,735
    Stevelamb said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    Some of that is bollocks. I can categorically state that not all of the health benefits you are currently seeing are remotely due to your vegan diet. I accept that some probably are. I would suggest that your previous health problems were far from the norm for anyone. Your previous lifestyle should perhaps be called into question.

    Perhaps most importantly from your post is you suggesting that people can be healthier without prescription drugs. It’s a dangerous and completely irresponsible thing to put out there.




    "Your previous lifestyle should perhaps be called into question."

    Unbelievable, just unbelievable.
    Bleeding an receding gums, high cholesterol, High blood pressure, spotty back, haemorrhoids, joint pain, upset stomach, tiredness, cracked finger nails, constipation, BMI issues and erectile dysfunction.

    Please tell me which part of those are unbelievable in suggesting your previous lifestyle was suspect and now have all miraculously disappeared due to eating lettuce.

    All of them as I no longer eat the standard western diet.
    It really is that simple but your doctor will not tell you that.........................yet.
    I know everybody is thinking it, but I'll ask the question.

    If it was solely to do with having a non-vegan diet, then why doesn't everybody have the problems that you disc..... oh, fuck it.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Anna_Kissed said:

    [Am posting the following here as it concerns animal welfare and follows on from some information that I posted recently]

    From the Petitions team, UK Government and Parliament:

    Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Create a new independent welfare body to protect racehorses from abuse and death”.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211950
    The debate is scheduled for 15 October 2018.
    Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

    Animal advocates have been campaigning on this issue for years and having secured the support of more than 105,000 people who signed the petition are preparing for a debate.
    Ministers have backed the status quo (the British Horseracing Authority) but can do little to prevent the increasing public awareness of, and opposition to injury and death resulting from horse racing.

    Very good news. Let’s just hope it’s not an academic process.

  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    edited September 2018
    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    I'd pull this apart, bit by bit if I had the time or inclination - but the highlighted bit deserves special mention in the 'absolute utter bollocks' stakes. If your GP genuinely said that, she is a fucking idiot. Or you have type 1 diabetes - which can't be reversed, so you're a fucking idiot. Either way, there's some fucking idiotry going on somewhere.

    Whilst it is technically true medically-speaking that diabetes cannot be 'reversed' (insomuch as it's impossible to 'reverse' damage to the pancreas), the effects of it most certainly can be 'reversed' by improving your diet, getting more exercise and controlling your sugar intake.

    Of course, it's possible that your doctor is just a giant pedant - and you are so guileless that you don't realise she is subtly mocking you...
  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Stevelamb said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    Some of that is bollocks. I can categorically state that not all of the health benefits you are currently seeing are remotely due to your vegan diet. I accept that some probably are. I would suggest that your previous health problems were far from the norm for anyone. Your previous lifestyle should perhaps be called into question.

    Perhaps most importantly from your post is you suggesting that people can be healthier without prescription drugs. It’s a dangerous and completely irresponsible thing to put out there.




    "Your previous lifestyle should perhaps be called into question."

    Unbelievable, just unbelievable.
    Bleeding an receding gums, high cholesterol, High blood pressure, spotty back, haemorrhoids, joint pain, upset stomach, tiredness, cracked finger nails, constipation, BMI issues and erectile dysfunction.

    Please tell me which part of those are unbelievable in suggesting your previous lifestyle was suspect and now have all miraculously disappeared due to eating lettuce.

    All of them as I no longer eat the standard western diet.
    It really is that simple but your doctor will not tell you that.........................yet.
    I know everybody is thinking it, but I'll ask the question.

    If it was solely to do with having a non-vegan diet, then why doesn't everybody have the problems that you disc..... oh, fuck it.</blockquote

    Correction needed here Leroy, it is a whole food plant based nutrition, different in many ways to a vegan diet.
  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    Leroy Ambrose said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    I'd pull this apart, bit by bit if I had the time or inclination - but the highlighted bit deserves special mention in the 'absolute utter bollocks' stakes. If your GP genuinely said that, she is a fucking idiot. Or you have type 1 diabetes - which can't be reversed, so you're a fucking idiot. Either way, there's some fucking idiotry going on somewhere.

    Whilst it is technically true medically-speaking that diabetes cannot be 'reversed' (insomuch as it's impossible to 'reverse' damage to the pancreas), the effects of it most certainly can be 'reversed' by improving your diet, getting more exercise and controlling your sugar intake.

    Of course, it's possible that your doctor is just a giant pedant - and you are so guileless that you don't realise she is subtly mocking you...
    Given that diet is the number-one cause of death and disability, nutrition is surely the number-one subject taught in medical school, right? And it’s certainly the number-one issue your doctor talks with you about, right? If only. How can there be such a disconnect between the available evidence and the practice of medicine?

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dont-wait-until-your-doctor-kicks-the-habit/

  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited September 2018
    Stevelamb said:



    Leroy Ambrose said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    I'd pull this apart, bit by bit if I had the time or inclination - but the highlighted bit deserves special mention in the 'absolute utter bollocks' stakes. If your GP genuinely said that, she is a fucking idiot. Or you have type 1 diabetes - which can't be reversed, so you're a fucking idiot. Either way, there's some fucking idiotry going on somewhere.

    Whilst it is technically true medically-speaking that diabetes cannot be 'reversed' (insomuch as it's impossible to 'reverse' damage to the pancreas), the effects of it most certainly can be 'reversed' by improving your diet, getting more exercise and controlling your sugar intake.

    Of course, it's possible that your doctor is just a giant pedant - and you are so guileless that you don't realise she is subtly mocking you...
    Given that diet is the number-one cause of death and disability, nutrition is surely the number-one subject taught in medical school, right? And it’s certainly the number-one issue your doctor talks with you about, right? If only. How can there be such a disconnect between the available evidence and the practice of medicine?

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dont-wait-until-your-doctor-kicks-the-habit/

    Please stop making statements that are completely without foundation in order to progress your agenda. Disease is the number one cause for death and disability.
    As you well know not all disease is associated with diet. Some is of course but there is NO evidence that says your diet is better or worse than many others.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    I'd genuinely sooner eat meat and kick the bucket 10 years prematurely. IF being vegan was ever proven to be more healthy
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  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    My medical records over the last three years are completely without foundation then? They are my evidence.......fact.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    I'd genuinely sooner eat meat and kick the bucket 10 years prematurely. IF being vegan was ever proven to be more healthy

    That’s what choice is. Instead of embracing your Wishes we have idiots trying to tell you it’s wrong.

  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Stevelamb said:

    My medical records over the last three years are completely without foundation then? They are my evidence.......fact.

    I think you need to look up the word fact in a dictionary.
  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Stevelamb said:

    My medical records over the last three years are completely without foundation then? They are my evidence.......fact.

    I think you need to look up the word fact in a dictionary.
    A thing that is known or proved to be true.
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    Stevelamb said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Stevelamb said:

    My medical records over the last three years are completely without foundation then? They are my evidence.......fact.

    I think you need to look up the word fact in a dictionary.
    A thing that is known or proved to be true.
    Better ask Andrew Wakefield and the anti-vax brigade what 'facts' are.

    Then look up 'correlation vs causation'.

    Finally, anecdotal vs empirical evidence.

    Good luck.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited September 2018
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:



    Leroy Ambrose said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    I'd pull this apart, bit by bit if I had the time or inclination - but the highlighted bit deserves special mention in the 'absolute utter bollocks' stakes. If your GP genuinely said that, she is a fucking idiot. Or you have type 1 diabetes - which can't be reversed, so you're a fucking idiot. Either way, there's some fucking idiotry going on somewhere.

    Whilst it is technically true medically-speaking that diabetes cannot be 'reversed' (insomuch as it's impossible to 'reverse' damage to the pancreas), the effects of it most certainly can be 'reversed' by improving your diet, getting more exercise and controlling your sugar intake.

    Of course, it's possible that your doctor is just a giant pedant - and you are so guileless that you don't realise she is subtly mocking you...
    Given that diet is the number-one cause of death and disability, nutrition is surely the number-one subject taught in medical school, right? And it’s certainly the number-one issue your doctor talks with you about, right? If only. How can there be such a disconnect between the available evidence and the practice of medicine?

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dont-wait-until-your-doctor-kicks-the-habit/

    Please stop making statements that are completely without foundation in order to progress your agenda. Disease is the number one cause for death and disability.
    As you well know not all disease is associated with diet. Some is of course but there is NO evidence that says your diet is better or worse than many others.
    This is correct in part, the plant based wholefood diet is *allegedly* proven to be healthier and gives a reduced risk of cholesterol, cancer and heart disease when eaten in a calorie controlled diet than an omnivore diet.

    I admit this. I am quite happy to continue to eat some meat.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited September 2018
    Stevelamb said:

    My medical records over the last three years are completely without foundation then? They are my evidence.......fact.

    Just done a quick Google search and found the following -

    Countries with the highest life expectancy -

    Top seems to be South Korea and Luxembourg - both 82.2 years.

    Demographics of people following a "Vegetarian diet (%) (includes vegan diet)" worldwide -

    South Korea - approx 1.0% (in real numbers that's 500.000 in 51.25m)

    Can't find figures for Luxembourg
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Dazzler21 said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Stevelamb said:



    Leroy Ambrose said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    I'd pull this apart, bit by bit if I had the time or inclination - but the highlighted bit deserves special mention in the 'absolute utter bollocks' stakes. If your GP genuinely said that, she is a fucking idiot. Or you have type 1 diabetes - which can't be reversed, so you're a fucking idiot. Either way, there's some fucking idiotry going on somewhere.

    Whilst it is technically true medically-speaking that diabetes cannot be 'reversed' (insomuch as it's impossible to 'reverse' damage to the pancreas), the effects of it most certainly can be 'reversed' by improving your diet, getting more exercise and controlling your sugar intake.

    Of course, it's possible that your doctor is just a giant pedant - and you are so guileless that you don't realise she is subtly mocking you...
    Given that diet is the number-one cause of death and disability, nutrition is surely the number-one subject taught in medical school, right? And it’s certainly the number-one issue your doctor talks with you about, right? If only. How can there be such a disconnect between the available evidence and the practice of medicine?

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dont-wait-until-your-doctor-kicks-the-habit/

    Please stop making statements that are completely without foundation in order to progress your agenda. Disease is the number one cause for death and disability.
    As you well know not all disease is associated with diet. Some is of course but there is NO evidence that says your diet is better or worse than many others.
    This is correct in part, the plant based wholefood diet is proven to be healthier and gives a reduced risk of cholesterol, cancer and heart disease when eaten in a calorie controlled diet than an omnivore diet.

    I admit this. I am quite happy to continue to eat some meat.
    Country with the lowest incidence of Coronary Heart Disease is France. The French diet is high if dairy and red meat.

    Despite what vegans say it’s not as straightforward as they would have you believe.

  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    edited September 2018

    "This is correct in part, the plant based wholefood diet is proven to be healthier and gives a reduced risk of cholesterol, cancer and heart disease when eaten in a calorie controlled diet than an omnivore diet.

    I admit this. I am quite happy to continue to eat some meat."

    Many smokers make the same choice.

  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Stevelamb said:



    This is correct in part, the plant based wholefood diet is proven to be healthier and gives a reduced risk of cholesterol, cancer and heart disease when eaten in a calorie controlled diet than an omnivore diet.

    I admit this. I am quite happy to continue to eat some meat.

    Many smokers make the same choice.

    Ask Pierre.

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  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    "Country with the lowest incidence of Coronary Heart Disease is France. The French diet is high if dairy and red meat.

    Despite what vegans say it’s not as straightforward as they would have you believe."

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-explains-the-french-paradox/


  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    edited September 2018
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  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    If only they could talk.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    NuitritionFacts.Org is a quack website that trades in agenda driven pseudo science and is funded by the same people that fund this drivel.

    https://windsorstar.com/health/angel-investor-boosts-windsor-dandelion-cancer-research


  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    LOOOOOOL - nutritionfacts :lol:

    Troll on laddie
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    "Meet the Team" - "Kate comes to us with almost a decade of experience running programs and managing volunteers. She graduated from the University of Pittsburgh with an English degree and has spent the bulk of her career in educational non-profits. In her free time, Kate enjoys being outdoors, traveling, and cooking plant-based meals. She lives in Pittsburgh with her fiancé and their three companion animals."

    This site just screams "vegan bias" imo
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    "Meet the Team" - "Kate comes to us with almost a decade of experience running programs and managing volunteers. She graduated from the University of Pittsburgh with an English degree and has spent the bulk of her career in educational non-profits. In her free time, Kate enjoys being outdoors, traveling, and cooking plant-based meals. She lives in Pittsburgh with her fiancé and their three companion animals."

    This site just screams "vegan bias" imo

    Yeah. Trying to position yourself as an independent organisation and having some melt put that as part of their bio...

    FAIL
  • Stevelamb
    Stevelamb Posts: 271
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    NuitritionFacts.Org is a quack website that trades in agenda driven pseudo science and is funded by the same people that fund this drivel.

    https://windsorstar.com/health/angel-investor-boosts-windsor-dandelion-cancer-research


    Pseudoscience is one word not two.
    I bet you even think Psychotherapist is three words.......Psycho the rapist.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    I'd genuinely sooner eat meat and kick the bucket 10 years prematurely. IF being vegan was ever proven to be more healthy

    It's not about you mate, I am sure there are many morally wrong things people would like to do like steal or tax dodge but it harms others around you despite your own gain. It's quite literally damaging the planet, forget health.

    This thread seems to have taken a turn for the worse again. Loads of petty digs and looking for arguments rather than a discussion.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    Stevelamb said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    After being vegan for a month he had lost 4kg and brought in his belt by a notch. Along with the fall in his belly fat, his cholesterol also fell by 12%.

    This weight loss is a calorie deficit nothing to do with being vegan.

    The cholesterol is probably quite a lot to do with being a vegan.
    I have highish cholesterol. The GP told me that the largest factor in this is heredity and altering diet only accounts for about 10% - which would be the case here.
    My LDL cholesterol is 1.9 so my doctor reluctantly agreed to remove statins from my prescription without finding out why it dropped so much. That was 6 months ago.
    Last week my doctor had to remove all my other prescription medications (not that I had been taking them) including blood pressure and diabetes medications because my readings had returned to normal. My doctor did not even want to know how I had done this in fact she seemed almost disappointed that I had proved her wrong because she said to me a year ago that is was not possible to reverse diabetes. So by way of eating whole food plant based nutrition I have reversed my diabetes, cholesterol levels and high blood pressure lost over three stone so my BMI is now 21.3, I no longer have spots on my back, hemorrhoid's, bleeding gums, receding hair, joint pain, tiredness, constipation or upset stomachs, cracking finger nails, indigestion, brewers droop, receding gums and have more energy and sleep better.
    Doctors do not learn about nutrition and are only just slowly beginning to understand that it is far better to treat the cause than the symptoms. All I am trying to do on here is get this message over to you, sure I know I will take a lot of stick on a football forum for trying and I know it will be difficult. Three years ago I would of been one of the people on here doing just that. No way three years ago would I ever of considered giving up meat, eggs and dairy, no way, but I am bloody glad I did. My medical record over the last three years is proof enough for me and all I am trying to do is tell others that you can be much healthier without prescription drugs
    by changing your diet. It is not about living longer but living a better life free from the ailments that come with age caused by the western diet. I have been asked to do a few talks by diabetes groups about how I have managed to reverse my diabetes and have come up against the same arguments from them as I have on here but some do grasp it and now I can present my medical history to back up what I am trying to say. It was a great feeling going for my dental check last week when asked by the dentist if my drugs had changed.

    You do realise that you are going to die anyway?

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