I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
Comparable to Morrissey saying that people who "believe" in abatoirs, must also believe in the Nazi gas chambers and that eating meat is no different to pedophilia. Okay Morrissey wasn't answerable to managers in the same was this bloke is, but still a despicable thing to say
Waitrose have sacked him so vegans are now safe. I'm assuming a team of police are working on this as a vegan hate crime.
What a dick. Imagine the uproar if he'd said that about any other group....
Like the multiple journalists who have, in the same 'jokey' manner suggested killing cyclists? None of them have been sacked or forced to resign...
It's a f***ing stupid thing to say, but I don't think he should be forced to quit over it
Have to agree and I’m one of those he’d be ‘advocating’ hunting. What he said didn’t offend me, I just shrugged, thought ‘what a tit’ and got on with my life.
had you heard/read his comments before he was sacked or did you only hear about them because of the story reporting his sacking?
I heard about his comments before he left his role. It came up on one of the pages on FB I follow.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Comparable to Morrissey saying that people who "believe" in abatoirs, must also believe in the Nazi gas chambers and that eating meat is no different to pedophilia. Okay Morrissey wasn't answerable to managers in the same was this bloke is, but still a despicable thing to say
I had a couple of meat eating friends round yesterday. One brought bread, the other brought some cheeses and I got some wine and some houmous. I also got some butter out and some ham that Mr Tatters had in the fridge. We all start eating and chatting and the vast majority of the time is spent by THEM bringing up the vegan subject. 'ooo so you eat butter' - no, 'you don't mind having ham on the table?' - etc etc etc. All I want to do is enjoy their company. It's non vegans that talk about vegan stuff. I just want to eat what I eat and not be quizzed about it. Then we get onto the xmas pub outing stuff. 'Ooooo we can't go to XXXX pub they don't do vegan stuff' - yes they do if you have jacket potato and beans, and that's fine, I had it in there last year and no one went on about it.
Yep, I can relate to that. It’s worst at work. I can’t just sit and eat my dinner in peace without at least one comment being made. Ffs I just want to eat my rice and beans and do a sudoku.
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
The last time they knocked at my door I'd just come out of psychiatric hospital and was still a bit manic. I was delighted when someone knocked on my door so that I could tell them about my latest grandiose ideas in great detail. I announced I'd just got out of the nut house and they disappeared fast.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
Agreed. A vegan has less food choices than a non-vegan unless I'm missing something?
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
No but there is reference to killing animals throughout the bible. Even Jesus helped catch fish!
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
No but there is reference to killing animals throughout the bible. Even Jesus helped catch fish!
Is there a vegan version of the Bible where He feeds the four thousand with seven loaves and some nut cutlets?
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
No but there is reference to killing animals throughout the bible. Even Jesus helped catch fish!
I suppose Jesus gets a free pass for his personal fish catching because his dad created them. Maybe thou shalt not kill was an instruction from dad for everybody that wasn't his son.
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
No but there is reference to killing animals throughout the bible. Even Jesus helped catch fish!
I suppose Jesus gets a free pass for his personal fish catching because his dad created them. Maybe thou shalt not kill was an instruction from dad for everybody that wasn't his son.
Therefore he created them himself. Bend your head around that one.
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
No but there is reference to killing animals throughout the bible. Even Jesus helped catch fish!
I suppose Jesus gets a free pass for his personal fish catching because his dad created them. Maybe thou shalt not kill was an instruction from dad for everybody that wasn't his son.
Therefore he created them himself. Bend your head around that one.
Not my job, that's down to the Jehovah Witnesses who call round.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
From my own personal perspective it DID increase MY personal choices but sorry if my own experience isn’t good enough for you.
I can't resist responding to the comment about Vegan hypocrisy above. Millions upon millions of Christians eat meat and fish, yet one of their 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. In terms of raw numbers it dwarves Vegan hypocrisy. (This information is useful for dealing with pesky Jehovah Witnesses when they come knocking).
I think it refers to killing humans Seth. I can understand people having the position somebody like Morrissey has. It is because he sees no difference to an animal which has emotions and feeling to a human. I don't view it in quite the same way. Although I love my dog as if he was a human! I think we are simply animals obeying natures laws- we are meat eaters as are dogs, lions, etc... But if you saw it his way, it would be natural to have strong emotions and reactions.
I agree there is a difference between animals and humans. The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
No but there is reference to killing animals throughout the bible. Even Jesus helped catch fish!
I suppose Jesus gets a free pass for his personal fish catching because his dad created them. Maybe thou shalt not kill was an instruction from dad for everybody that wasn't his son.
Therefore he created them himself. Bend your head around that one.
Not my job, that's down to the Jehovah Witnesses who call round.
What gets rid of them quickly is to politely tell them 'Very sorry, we worship the Lord Lucifer Satan in this house'. They love it when you get into a philosophical discussion with them.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
From my own personal perspective it DID increase MY personal choices but sorry if my own experience isn’t good enough for you.
A non-vegan has more choices than a vegan in terms of what they can eat.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
From my own personal perspective it DID increase MY personal choices but sorry if my own experience isn’t good enough for you.
A non-vegan has more choices than a vegan in terms of what they can eat.
I think this boils down to @AddickUpNorth not knowing his/her choices due to ignorance (not in a nasty sense).
Well that’s true but becoming Vegan can require you to try things you haven’t before, so while your choice may be more restricted, your food experience may be more varied.
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
From my own personal perspective it DID increase MY personal choices but sorry if my own experience isn’t good enough for you.
A non-vegan has more choices than a vegan in terms of what they can eat.
I think this boils down @AddickUpNorth not knowing his/her choices due to ignorance (not in a nasty sense).
The Guardian 1st Nov 2018 Waitrose report: Animal welfare, environmental and health concerns driving change in UK diet.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell, Waitrose’s head of brand development. “Whether cooking at home, buying prepared food or trying the newly vegan-friendly restaurants, people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
Agree. Removing a whole lot of food choices from ones diet must really make your dinner taste amazing.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
I'm unclear how it widened them?
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
So it increased your knowledge, it still decreased your choices.
From my own personal perspective it DID increase MY personal choices but sorry if my own experience isn’t good enough for you.
A non-vegan has more choices than a vegan in terms of what they can eat.
I think this boils down @AddickUpNorth not knowing his/her choices due to ignorance (not in a nasty sense).
Well that’s true but becoming Vegan can require you to try things you haven’t before, so while your choice may be more restricted, your food experience may be more varied.
Well that’s true but becoming Vegan can require you to try things you haven’t before, so while your choice may be more restricted, your food experience may be more varied.
What?
I'm a non-vegan and eat all different types of food. I can't see how becoming vegan will make my food experience more varied?
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I heard about his comments before he left his role. It came up on one of the pages on FB I follow.
Actually going vegan widened my food choices and I eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before.
Yep, I can relate to that. It’s worst at work. I can’t just sit and eat my dinner in peace without at least one comment being made. Ffs I just want to eat my rice and beans and do a sudoku.
Er, because I now ‘eat and appreciate a lot of food stuff that I hadn’t considered or heard of before’. I was never a big meat eater before I first went vegetarian nor did I consume vast amounts of dairy before I went vegan. So I cut out a few things and replaced them with considerably more. It’s given me a whole new interest in cooking and experimenting in the kitchen.
I just ate it.
Not sure from when. Oh no I just remembered best not to say.
The Commandment doesn't make that distinction explicitly.
From my own personal perspective it DID increase MY personal choices but sorry if my own experience isn’t good enough for you.
You're quite right, though
I'm genuinely confused.