Your post suggests that that was the wording used.
Can you point me to where that is, please? Thank you.
Seth had a similar occurrence recently where he was misquoted so he'll, no doubt, share my frustration.
At 7.45 am you wrote in your post the following:
“So long as you know, deep down, that you’re just massaging your own ego”
If I’ve misconstrued your words or somehow taken them out of context the I’ll be man enough to apologise. However, I feel that I’m quite correct to call that group of words as bollocks.
Which was arguing the point that 'veganism is compassion'.
So, again, where did I use the language you quoted?
Edited to add that that bit sounded, upon reading back, too combative and unnecessary.
Is veganism not driven by compassion though? It certainly was for me, as I have not a care how I’m perceived by others.
As for your language, I quoted your exact words from 7.45am BBW. I might be a thick northerner so I might not be able to understand your fancy southern words but I read your words to mean that to make a choice to try and do as little possible harm is driven by how righteous it makes a person feel rather than a true desire to cause as little harm as possible to other sentient beings.
Is veganism not driven by compassion though? It certainly was for me, as I have not a care how I’m perceived by others.
As for your language, I quoted your exact words from 7.45am BBW. I might be a thick northerner so I might not be able to understand your fancy southern words but I read your words to mean that to make a choice to try and do as little possible harm is driven by how righteous it makes a person feel rather than a true desire to cause as little harm as possible to other sentient beings.
In answer to your first question, yes, it can be a single contributory factor. That doesn't, however, equate to 'veganism is compassion' which is the crux of my argument. Take out the crux of my argument (that statement) then I'd agree with what you go on to say.
Compassion can undoubtedly be a contributory factor in the decision someone makes but to say that a lifestyle choice is, by definition, an emotion is wrong.
Maybe I'm guilty of taking peoples written word, as I believe we (royally, of course) should, literally. I don't mind saying 'that's on me' but it's a dangerous line to tread when it's deemed okay to say a choice is the same as an emotion. It's factually incorrect.
Please don't take any of the above as me ranting at you or as being aggressive in tone. I fully appreciate that how words appear on a screen can sound, as I highlighted in a post above, combative and, possibly, flippant. That's not my intention.
More vegans...more consumers contacting food manufacturers' Customer Care to request new products and changes to existing ingredients...companies noting those comments...and acting on them... New vegan food ranges...and more vegans...
What are your views on retailers who supply omnivores? Shouldn't any true vegan boycott M&S (and all the others) as they are peddlers of meat, eggs, dairy, leather shoes - the list is endless? Serious question.
Looking at it in terms of the responding to consumer demand it certainly seems to be growing. M&S didn't really have a vegetarian section as such until quite recently, Tesco and Sainsbury used to have their sections in far corners, and so on. However whilst not taking over tons of space, the vegetarian and vegan bits have probably doubled in shelf space, and in many other non specialist parts there can be non meat options available. The demand is growing, whether it's just a fad I don't know, but I suspect it is an area of slow but steadily increasing demand.
Supermarkets are just responding to the consumer, you see more sugar free, gluten free products now. If its a money maker then they'll do it, nothing to do with ethics.
'Veganism is compassion'. Not it's not. It's a dietary choice, nothing more.
This faux justification is nothing short of nauseating.
Narcicism of the ugliest kind.
Behave. If you think I went vegan cause I was desperate to eat tofu and broccoli over some gamon you are bonkers. It is absolutely compassionate to go vegan. Trying to down play it is trying to downplay it is riduculous. So just for the record pal, animals die for genuinely no reason other than greed, they live in awful conditions from the word go to be killed and well you know the rest. Vegans feel awful about that. Now here is the definition of compassion. But of course if you want to ignore the facts that's fine, most people do
Listen, son, if you feel the need to wrap your dietary choice up as being some kind of compassionate crusade then that's absolutely fine. So long as you know, deep down, that you're just massaging your ego and then forcefully projecting it on to other people as some sort of moral war that you're fighting.
Animals die due to a variety of reasons. To suggest that they die for no reason other than greed is nothing short of wilfully lying.
If you want to project falsehoods then that's fine, as most vegans do.
Just remember, you don't have a monopoly on compassion or the feeling awful about something. You just let your emotions get the better of you more so than others.
Happy Friday
It is. That's a fact. I don't do it for health reasons for myself, or because I prefer veg so what else could it possibly be? Or are you trying to imply that I've cut out some of my past favourite foods, just so I can say 'i'm compassionate' and that's to dampen 'my ego'. Mental.
'animals die due to a variety of reasons'. Why have you even said this? We are literally on a vegan thread. I can't make this any clearer, animals don't have to die for your food choice. So please tell me how that sentence is even relevant right now. No different from me robbing someone and saying 'listen mate, don't tell me I'm wrong, people get robbed every day''
I talk facts or I don't bother at all. Forget your bullshit monopoly nonsense. I've already shown you what compassion means, if you want to be a troll and overlook it for what it is that's fine. Just keep it to yourself
Er, I think you'll find that they absolutely do. I choose to eat meat. Ergo, animals have to die. I like my red meat, on the whole, rare but I draw the line at raw.
You talk, as do most people, in opinions. There's a massive difference between fact and opinion. A choice is not a fact. There may be factors you use to justify those choices but those factors aren't facts.
Forget your compassion bullshit and tell it for what it is, a choice. A choice that not everybody wants, or wishes, to make.
What's it like to live in a bubble where you believe you only talk in facts and that anything you say should never be challenged because, like, facts? It goes full circle to the ego part, again.
You'll be levitating soon.
I've done a quick Google definition search for you again cause clearly you don't understand words and their meanings.
Here is the sentence. I forum user, Braziliance am a vegan for pure compassionate reasons. I genuinely barely ate a vegetable before turning vegan and certainly do miss junk foods like dominos and a big Mac. Although I miss these tastes they are not worth the suffering of animals.
That sentence is factual about me, and it also shows how being a vegan can be a compassionate choice.
If you could keep the confirmation that it's a choice to yourself then that would be great.
Says the Millwall fan on a Charlton forum on the only vegan thread. Do one
Okay. On that basis I'll put my next comments around veganism on the Sale of Charlton thread.
@Arsenetatters , now's the time to suggest that someone may be getting a tad angry
No I just find it very ironic that someone who tells someone to keep an opinion related to the thread t
More vegans...more consumers contacting food manufacturers' Customer Care to request new products and changes to existing ingredients...companies noting those comments...and acting on them... New vegan food ranges...and more vegans...
What are your views on retailers who supply omnivores? Shouldn't any true vegan boycott M&S (and all the others) as they are peddlers of meat, eggs, dairy, leather shoes - the list is endless? Serious question.
That question has been answered previously and honestly it's another 'if you were stuck on an island you would eat meat' pop.
I'll add to it though. I will assume now that a lot of vegans can't afford to be a 'pure vegan' so grow all their own veg etc. So shopping in any old supermarket is necessary for a lot of people. Either way a vegans aim is to do as least damage as possible.
The main point made before was it's actually positive to buy vegan products from big retailers, supply and demand. They will notice and make choices for us, which could encourage others to try different food. It also spreads the idea of veganism by reaching the main stream.
A vegan isn't directly funding animal cruelty as they aren't buying animal products and that's that really. Otherwise by your logic vegans should cease all contact with non vegans, avoid using public services as they could be run by non vegans etc. Once you look at it like that you may as well be a vegetable and sit inside doing f all.
'Veganism is compassion'. Not it's not. It's a dietary choice, nothing more.
This faux justification is nothing short of nauseating.
Narcicism of the ugliest kind.
Behave. If you think I went vegan cause I was desperate to eat tofu and broccoli over some gamon you are bonkers. It is absolutely compassionate to go vegan. Trying to down play it is trying to downplay it is riduculous. So just for the record pal, animals die for genuinely no reason other than greed, they live in awful conditions from the word go to be killed and well you know the rest. Vegans feel awful about that. Now here is the definition of compassion. But of course if you want to ignore the facts that's fine, most people do
Listen, son, if you feel the need to wrap your dietary choice up as being some kind of compassionate crusade then that's absolutely fine. So long as you know, deep down, that you're just massaging your ego and then forcefully projecting it on to other people as some sort of moral war that you're fighting.
Animals die due to a variety of reasons. To suggest that they die for no reason other than greed is nothing short of wilfully lying.
If you want to project falsehoods then that's fine, as most vegans do.
Just remember, you don't have a monopoly on compassion or the feeling awful about something. You just let your emotions get the better of you more so than others.
Happy Friday
It is. That's a fact. I don't do it for health reasons for myself, or because I prefer veg so what else could it possibly be? Or are you trying to imply that I've cut out some of my past favourite foods, just so I can say 'i'm compassionate' and that's to dampen 'my ego'. Mental.
'animals die due to a variety of reasons'. Why have you even said this? We are literally on a vegan thread. I can't make this any clearer, animals don't have to die for your food choice. So please tell me how that sentence is even relevant right now. No different from me robbing someone and saying 'listen mate, don't tell me I'm wrong, people get robbed every day''
I talk facts or I don't bother at all. Forget your bullshit monopoly nonsense. I've already shown you what compassion means, if you want to be a troll and overlook it for what it is that's fine. Just keep it to yourself
Er, I think you'll find that they absolutely do. I choose to eat meat. Ergo, animals have to die. I like my red meat, on the whole, rare but I draw the line at raw.
You talk, as do most people, in opinions. There's a massive difference between fact and opinion. A choice is not a fact. There may be factors you use to justify those choices but those factors aren't facts.
Forget your compassion bullshit and tell it for what it is, a choice. A choice that not everybody wants, or wishes, to make.
What's it like to live in a bubble where you believe you only talk in facts and that anything you say should never be challenged because, like, facts? It goes full circle to the ego part, again.
You'll be levitating soon.
I've done a quick Google definition search for you again cause clearly you don't understand words and their meanings.
Here is the sentence. I forum user, Braziliance am a vegan for pure compassionate reasons. I genuinely barely ate a vegetable before turning vegan and certainly do miss junk foods like dominos and a big Mac. Although I miss these tastes they are not worth the suffering of animals.
That sentence is factual about me, and it also shows how being a vegan can be a compassionate choice.
If you could keep the confirmation that it's a choice to yourself then that would be great.
Says the Millwall fan on a Charlton forum on the only vegan thread. Do one
Okay. On that basis I'll put my next comments around veganism on the Sale of Charlton thread.
@Arsenetatters , now's the time to suggest that someone may be getting a tad angry
No I just find it very ironic that someone who tells someone to keep an opinion related to the thread t
More vegans...more consumers contacting food manufacturers' Customer Care to request new products and changes to existing ingredients...companies noting those comments...and acting on them... New vegan food ranges...and more vegans...
What are your views on retailers who supply omnivores? Shouldn't any true vegan boycott M&S (and all the others) as they are peddlers of meat, eggs, dairy, leather shoes - the list is endless? Serious question.
That question has been answered previously and honestly it's another 'if you were stuck on an island you would eat meat' pop.
I'll add to it though. I will assume now that a lot of vegans can't afford to be a 'pure vegan' so grow all their own veg etc. So shopping in any old supermarket is necessary for a lot of people. Either way a vegans aim is to do as least damage as possible.
The main point made before was it's actually positive to buy vegan products from big retailers, supply and demand. They will notice and make choices for us, which could encourage others to try different food. It also spreads the idea of veganism by reaching the main stream.
A vegan isn't directly funding animal cruelty as they aren't buying animal products and that's that really. Otherwise by your logic vegans should cease all contact with non vegans, avoid using public services as they could be run by non vegans etc. Once you look at it like that you may as well be a vegetable and sit inside doing f all.
'Veganism is compassion'. Not it's not. It's a dietary choice, nothing more.
This faux justification is nothing short of nauseating.
Narcicism of the ugliest kind.
Behave. If you think I went vegan cause I was desperate to eat tofu and broccoli over some gamon you are bonkers. It is absolutely compassionate to go vegan. Trying to down play it is trying to downplay it is riduculous. So just for the record pal, animals die for genuinely no reason other than greed, they live in awful conditions from the word go to be killed and well you know the rest. Vegans feel awful about that. Now here is the definition of compassion. But of course if you want to ignore the facts that's fine, most people do
Listen, son, if you feel the need to wrap your dietary choice up as being some kind of compassionate crusade then that's absolutely fine. So long as you know, deep down, that you're just massaging your ego and then forcefully projecting it on to other people as some sort of moral war that you're fighting.
Animals die due to a variety of reasons. To suggest that they die for no reason other than greed is nothing short of wilfully lying.
If you want to project falsehoods then that's fine, as most vegans do.
Just remember, you don't have a monopoly on compassion or the feeling awful about something. You just let your emotions get the better of you more so than others.
Happy Friday
What a load of nonsense. The way animals are raised and slaughtered on an industrial scale is barbaric. I admire vegans for their choice not to partake in the violence.
I'm not sure how you have become so desensitised to what life is like for the animals you eat.
How do you know what the life is like for the animals I eat? I ask that with the utmost respect as well.
Unless you know how I source my meat, of which I have commented on before, then you cannot pass judgement on how sensitised, or otherwise, I am.
I also admire the choice vegans make. Where I disagree is the dressing up of that choice as being some sort of morally superior mindset that is drenched in compassion.
You’re a Millwall fan aren’t you? We know how you source your meat.
The popularity of vegan foods continues to grow, with January seen as a traditional time to consider giving them a try.
Milk alternatives, such as oat, soy, almond or coconut, are one area of interest, with sales rising in the UK.
A scientific study suggests the greenhouse gas emissions used in the production of plant-based milks are lower than for dairy milk.
But which milk has the smallest impact on the planet?
Producing a glass of dairy milk results in almost three times the greenhouse gas emissions of any non-dairy milks, according to a University of Oxford study.
Looking at land use, the difference is starker still.
The expansion of soybean plantations into forests is also contributing to climate change. Deforestation is responsible for about 15% of all the global greenhouse gas emissions caused by people. Conversion of forests to soy plantations in the Amazon particularly threatens the climate.
The popularity of vegan foods continues to grow, with January seen as a traditional time to consider giving them a try.
Milk alternatives, such as oat, soy, almond or coconut, are one area of interest, with sales rising in the UK.
A scientific study suggests the greenhouse gas emissions used in the production of plant-based milks are lower than for dairy milk.
But which milk has the smallest impact on the planet?
Producing a glass of dairy milk results in almost three times the greenhouse gas emissions of any non-dairy milks, according to a University of Oxford study.
Looking at land use, the difference is starker still.
The expansion of soybean plantations into forests is also contributing to climate change. Deforestation is responsible for about 15% of all the global greenhouse gas emissions caused by people. Conversion of forests to soy plantations in the Amazon particularly threatens the climate.
TBH, the devastation caused by palm oil plantations is far wider reaching, and has more lasting effects on the ecosystem (particularly at a local level). It's also entirely avoidable as palm oil is used in the vast majority of cases as a profit driver rather than a commodity with any intrinsic value
The popularity of vegan foods continues to grow, with January seen as a traditional time to consider giving them a try.
Milk alternatives, such as oat, soy, almond or coconut, are one area of interest, with sales rising in the UK.
A scientific study suggests the greenhouse gas emissions used in the production of plant-based milks are lower than for dairy milk.
But which milk has the smallest impact on the planet?
Producing a glass of dairy milk results in almost three times the greenhouse gas emissions of any non-dairy milks, according to a University of Oxford study.
Looking at land use, the difference is starker still.
The expansion of soybean plantations into forests is also contributing to climate change. Deforestation is responsible for about 15% of all the global greenhouse gas emissions caused by people. Conversion of forests to soy plantations in the Amazon particularly threatens the climate.
TBH, the devastation caused by palm oil plantations is far wider reaching, and has more lasting effects on the ecosystem (particularly at a local level). It's also entirely avoidable as palm oil is used in the vast majority of cases as a profit driver rather than a commodity with any intrinsic value
Agreed, the classic 'cash crop' that has no real benefit, especially nutritional, for the people working on the huge plantations in mainly impoverished societies.
I see the same nobs and provocateurs are still being nobbish and provocative:-)
Been having a bash at cutting down on my meat intake, so of my last 6 meals 3 have been vegan, 2 with fish, 1 with meat. Vegan ones below for anyone interested (marks out of 10)
Lentil ‘meatballs’ with carrot and courgette spaghetti with tomato sauce (9)
Quorn chilli con carne tacos with rice and guacamole (8)
I see the same nobs and provocateurs are still being nobbish and provocative:-)
Been having a bash at cutting down on my meat intake, so of my last 6 meals 3 have been vegan, 2 with fish, 1 with meat. Vegan ones below for anyone interested (marks out of 10)
Lentil ‘meatballs’ with carrot and courgette spaghetti with tomato sauce (9)
Quorn chilli con carne tacos with rice and guacamole (8)
I see the same nobs and provocateurs are still being nobbish and provocative:-)
Been having a bash at cutting down on my meat intake, so of my last 6 meals 3 have been vegan, 2 with fish, 1 with meat. Vegan ones below for anyone interested (marks out of 10)
Lentil ‘meatballs’ with carrot and courgette spaghetti with tomato sauce (9)
Quorn chilli con carne tacos with rice and guacamole (8)
Sweet potato mac n cheese with beans (3)
The 'Meatballs' sound interesting. Do you have a recipe?
I see the same nobs and provocateurs are still being nobbish and provocative:-)
Been having a bash at cutting down on my meat intake, so of my last 6 meals 3 have been vegan, 2 with fish, 1 with meat. Vegan ones below for anyone interested (marks out of 10)
Lentil ‘meatballs’ with carrot and courgette spaghetti with tomato sauce (9)
Quorn chilli con carne tacos with rice and guacamole (8)
The popularity of vegan foods continues to grow, with January seen as a traditional time to consider giving them a try.
Milk alternatives, such as oat, soy, almond or coconut, are one area of interest, with sales rising in the UK.
A scientific study suggests the greenhouse gas emissions used in the production of plant-based milks are lower than for dairy milk.
But which milk has the smallest impact on the planet?
Producing a glass of dairy milk results in almost three times the greenhouse gas emissions of any non-dairy milks, according to a University of Oxford study.
Looking at land use, the difference is starker still.
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So, again, where did I use the language you quoted?Edited to add that that bit sounded, upon reading back, too combative and unnecessary.
As for your language, I quoted your exact words from 7.45am BBW. I might be a thick northerner so I might not be able to understand your fancy southern words but I read your words to mean that to make a choice to try and do as little possible harm is driven by how righteous it makes a person feel rather than a true desire to cause as little harm as possible to other sentient beings.
Compassion can undoubtedly be a contributory factor in the decision someone makes but to say that a lifestyle choice is, by definition, an emotion is wrong.
Maybe I'm guilty of taking peoples written word, as I believe we (royally, of course) should, literally. I don't mind saying 'that's on me' but it's a dangerous line to tread when it's deemed okay to say a choice is the same as an emotion. It's factually incorrect.
Please don't take any of the above as me ranting at you or as being aggressive in tone. I fully appreciate that how words appear on a screen can sound, as I highlighted in a post above, combative and, possibly, flippant. That's not my intention.
Vegans be vegan, omnivores be omnivores.
What are your views on retailers who supply omnivores? Shouldn't any true vegan boycott M&S (and all the others) as they are peddlers of meat, eggs, dairy, leather shoes - the list is endless? Serious question.
The demand is growing, whether it's just a fad I don't know, but I suspect it is an area of slow but steadily increasing demand.
I'll add to it though. I will assume now that a lot of vegans can't afford to be a 'pure vegan' so grow all their own veg etc. So shopping in any old supermarket is necessary for a lot of people. Either way a vegans aim is to do as least damage as possible.
The main point made before was it's actually positive to buy vegan products from big retailers, supply and demand. They will notice and make choices for us, which could encourage others to try different food. It also spreads the idea of veganism by reaching the main stream.
A vegan isn't directly funding animal cruelty as they aren't buying animal products and that's that really. Otherwise by your logic vegans should cease all contact with non vegans, avoid using public services as they could be run by non vegans etc. Once you look at it like that you may as well be a vegetable and sit inside doing f all.
Basically it's absolutely fine imo
I am aware it's for something else but the confusion is hilarious!
The expansion of soybean plantations into forests is also contributing to climate change. Deforestation is responsible for about 15% of all the global greenhouse gas emissions caused by people. Conversion of forests to soy plantations in the Amazon particularly threatens the climate.
and....
https://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/is-your-obsession-with-coconuts-harming-the-environment/
Been having a bash at cutting down on my meat intake, so of my last 6 meals 3 have been vegan, 2 with fish, 1 with meat. Vegan ones below for anyone interested (marks out of 10)
Lentil ‘meatballs’ with carrot and courgette spaghetti with tomato sauce (9)
Quorn chilli con carne tacos with rice and guacamole (8)
Sweet potato mac n cheese with beans (3)
Afraid not @Stig
Almonds and almond milk... http://almondsarenotvegan.com
Coconuts also use monkey slaves for the picking...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/20/the-murky-ethics-of-making-monkeys-pick-our-coconuts/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e21cf952151a
Thanks goodness we will soon be taking control of our food sources.
Saying that though, the cooked breakfast a couple of posts up doesn’t look that appetising either.