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  • I went down there in the 70's for a cup replay, a midweek night game. Everyone thought we would get stuffed - we won 3-0 with a George Hope hat trick ( he was generally useless. but not that night) - it was bedlam afterwards being the height of football hooligan times - took me 6 hours to get back to Bath where I was at Uni at the time. Remember bricks being thrown at our train. Anyway, it's generally been a lucky place for us lots of times.
  • I went down there in the 70's for a cup replay, a midweek night game. Everyone thought we would get stuffed - we won 3-0 with a George Hope hat trick ( he was generally useless. but not that night) - it was bedlam afterwards being the height of football hooligan times - took me 6 hours to get back to Bath where I was at Uni at the time. Remember bricks being thrown at our train. Anyway, it's generally been a lucky place for us lots of times.

    It wasn't a hatrick as Powell & Flanagan scored. Remember it well as the first game at the Valley was a featured game on the TV
  • terrific win against a top team .. the trick now will be to win two home games against mediocre teams and keep up momentum
  • clive said:


    “We cleared it off the line a few times and I cleared two of them myself,” he said. “One of them hit me right in the face, which bloody hurt, but it was all worth it!

    “It smashed me in my face, my ear is ringing now but I’ll be fine for Saturday – I’ll definitely be out there.

    “The determination of the boys is brilliant and is always there. We’ll all work our nuts off for each other and that epitomises us. We dug in during the last five minutes and got the job done.”
    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5c10ffcf8ef20/george-lapslie-on-taking-one-in-the-face-and-charltons-brilliant-win-at-portsmouth

    The one in the face went like a rocket, proper defending that.
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  • addick05 said:

    Uboat said:

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    At least they're taking it well.

    Just watched the highlights. That tackle was a red card all day long.
    But the ball was over the line wasn't it ? Seemed clear daylight between the ball & the line ............... not that I'm complaining :smile:
  • Maybe Thompson will win his appeal against the red card. But instead get a 3 match ban for the elbow!
  • Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    OggyI think you misread it, I did at first. prague said it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game I was on the train :-) stood on the halfway line under cover with a bunch of herberts, most Charlton were on the open terrace getting soaked in the pissing rain. A bit naughty on the way back to the station if i remember rightly ?
  • Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    OggyI think you misread it, I did at first. prague said it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game I was on the train :-) stood on the halfway line under cover with a bunch of herberts, most Charlton were on the open terrace getting soaked in the pissing rain. A bit naughty on the way back to the station if i remember rightly ?
    Spot on Bob. About 10 or so Springfield and Cherry Orchard on the halfway line.
  • Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    Well I don't doubt for one moment that you were there, but where the ???? you all were, i will never know, because I didn't see or hear any large group in any location. If I'd seen it, I would have headed for it, it was pretty much all free terracing in those days. 3-0, and I thought I was celebrating on my own.

    I didnt go to Wolves, but I could see on the the telly clips the huge Charlton contingent, which only made me think again, where was everybody at Fratton?

    Do you remember being in a big Charlton group, Oggy, and if so, where in the ground?

    Just read this after posting in reply to Oggy, seems Iread your post wrong. There was a few hundred Charlton there that night (compared with the 15000 they had brought to the valley on the Saturday). As I said in my previous post there were about 50 on the halfway line but most were in the open end getting wet :smile:
  • What is interesting generally about Pompey fans claiming the ball went out is their demonstration of lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. I think their main contention is if you can see the whole of the line, the ball must be out. This would be true only if the ball was a cube. Being a sphere, it can be sitting over the line but still be in. So many fans don't understand this.

    Does make me laugh, as there seems to be one rule when it's on the goal line and another if it's else where on the pitch.
  • Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    OggyI think you misread it, I did at first. prague said it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game I was on the train :-) stood on the halfway line under cover with a bunch of herberts, most Charlton were on the open terrace getting soaked in the pissing rain. A bit naughty on the way back to the station if i remember rightly ?
    Spot on Bob. About 10 or so Springfield and Cherry Orchard on the halfway line.
    & some Welling & Lewisham :-) Sure there was around 50 of us but there again it was a long time ago :smile:
  • What is interesting generally about Pompey fans claiming the ball went out is their demonstration of lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. I think their main contention is if you can see the whole of the line, the ball must be out. This would be true only if the ball was a cube. Being a sphere, it can be sitting over the line but still be in. So many fans don't understand this.

    True but going by that photo it's fair to say the ball looks well out.
    No way, the bottom of the ball is touching the ground just off the pitch but the spherical part is over the line so not out
  • edited December 2018

    Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    OggyI think you misread it, I did at first. prague said it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game I was on the train :-) stood on the halfway line under cover with a bunch of herberts, most Charlton were on the open terrace getting soaked in the pissing rain. A bit naughty on the way back to the station if i remember rightly ?
    Spot on Bob. About 10 or so Springfield and Cherry Orchard on the halfway line.
    & some Welling & Lewisham :-) Sure there was around 50 of us but there again it was a long time ago :smile:
    Indeed. I remember slipping away from work early and going on my own by train but i can't remember how i got back.

    It was around about that time that a small bunch of us were chased out of the ground. Cut off from the station we ran to the coaches just they were pulling away. The folks on the coach got the driver to stop. As we collapsed onto the back seat a brick came through the window covering us in glass.
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  • edited December 2018

    ct_addick said:

    Watched on Ifollow. Did well. Pearce immense. Steer a bit rocky at the end and rode our luck a little second half but deserved the win. It was 10 v 10 at end as Marshall was limping. Lapslie was great love his energy

    stonemuse said:
    What did I say that deserved that response?


  • What is interesting generally about Pompey fans claiming the ball went out is their demonstration of lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. I think their main contention is if you can see the whole of the line, the ball must be out. This would be true only if the ball was a cube. Being a sphere, it can be sitting over the line but still be in. So many fans don't understand this.

    True but going by that photo it's fair to say the ball looks well out.
    I'm going to back Muttley here ....... the Laws of the game state the whole of the ball must be over the line to be out of play.

    If any part of the ball is still above the line, the ball is still in play.

    The lino was right on top of the incident, had the best view of anyone in the ground - evidently in his view from his position on the line, the ball was still in play.

  • What is interesting generally about Pompey fans claiming the ball went out is their demonstration of lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. I think their main contention is if you can see the whole of the line, the ball must be out. This would be true only if the ball was a cube. Being a sphere, it can be sitting over the line but still be in. So many fans don't understand this.

    True but going by that photo it's fair to say the ball looks well out.
    No way, the bottom of the ball is touching the ground just off the pitch but the spherical part is over the line so not out
    There was a bloke in a black kit holding a flag about five yards away with an unobstructed view who I have reason to believe knows the rules.

    He didn't think the ball was out so I'll take his view over that of some bitter Pompey fans.
    rules?

    Apart from that I agree with your sentiment
  • What is interesting generally about Pompey fans claiming the ball went out is their demonstration of lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. I think their main contention is if you can see the whole of the line, the ball must be out. This would be true only if the ball was a cube. Being a sphere, it can be sitting over the line but still be in. So many fans don't understand this.

    True but going by that photo it's fair to say the ball looks well out.
    No way, the bottom of the ball is touching the ground just off the pitch but the spherical part is over the line so not out
    It's the same thing with corners, where the ball often looks like it's been placed outside the arc but enough is over hanging the line to be legal
  • Yeah that was handball actually from Lapslie for the first attempt

    He's been quite clever how he's done it though, by keeping his arm already on the post there wont be an intentional movement from him to try and deliberately block the ball

    Had his arm been down by his side with Lapslie bringing his arm up then the ref (had he seen it) would probably have given a penalty
  • Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    Well I don't doubt for one moment that you were there, but where the ???? you all were, i will never know, because I didn't see or hear any large group in any location. If I'd seen it, I would have headed for it, it was pretty much all free terracing in those days. 3-0, and I thought I was celebrating on my own.

    I didnt go to Wolves, but I could see on the the telly clips the huge Charlton contingent, which only made me think again, where was everybody at Fratton?

    Do you remember being in a big Charlton group, Oggy, and if so, where in the ground?

    Just read this after posting in reply to Oggy, seems Iread your post wrong. There was a few hundred Charlton there that night (compared with the 15000 they had brought to the valley on the Saturday). As I said in my previous post there were about 50 on the halfway line but most were in the open end getting wet :smile:
    15,000? , that sounds a bit much. For sure they filled the whole south terrace though. Funny thing about that is, that at half time, I was able to wander round there, and somehow find my Pompey mates in the middle of them, no mobile phone, no prior arrangement. And no trouble either. But the replay was something else. I guess I couldn't find or hear any Charlton fans that night because in those days there were not strict designations of areas for away fans, and the size of the home crowd had overwhelmed them anyway.

    Now I come to think of it, for the home game last season I was outside the North while a lot of them marched up Harvey Gardens, and a lot of them had an attitude, could have kicked off in a heartbeat.

  • All this moaning about the ref from Pompey fans is hilarious they’re livid on Twitter.

    Pompey are in my opinion in a pool of about 15 maybe 20 clubs who when doing well make home an absolute fortress, and with that the place becomes intimidating referees which leads to “home refs”.

    You’ve probably all seen these spineless home refs over the years, places like Sheff Utd, Forest, Newcastle, Everton and Pompey being one of them. It’s almost an insult to them when the away side gets a penalty or one of their own gets sent, or not every 50/50 is going their way etc.

    Last nights ref didn’t conform to this, I think he had a very good game, with absolutely no tongue in cheek.

    If they wanted to see a bad ref, they should have attended our home game against Peterborough.
  • Oggy Red said:

    Dont get all the Pompey fans bashing tbh, i spent 7 years living and working there, and had a great time - good people. The 'inbreds' bit just sounds a bit childish tbh.
    Plus in terms of their fans, they are one of the best in the country for following their team through thick and thin.

    Actually agree with this.
    Always enjoyed games against them, of which there have been many, including trips to Fratton Park. Really enjoyed my first trip there in January 1976, when we won an FA Cup replay 3-0.
    There are far worse places to visit.
    Yeah, that one. I was there, being a student, and it seemed like I was the only Charlton fan there in a 32,000 crowd that thought it was going to be some kind of renaissance game -they were bottom of Div 2, we were halfway. I got separated from my neutral student buddies on the terrace, and watched the game on my own.Some Pompey bloke behind me had a go at me, so I turned round and tried to just face him down, and nothing happened. Two weeks later in the bar of the Centre Hotel there he was, with his girlfriend, looking at me, and I could see his brain trying to work out how this could possibly be, that I was still in Portsmouth. Meanwhile my brain was working out how large his biceps were, something I hadn't noticed two weeks earlier. Fortunately my great Pompey mate with me negotiated an honourable settlement.

    I hated the place, as a city, but I loved my six months in Grimsby the year before. Grimsby...these are just the hands life deals you. Beating them, especially at their gaff, is a close third for me after winning at Selhurst and the Rustbucket. Cheers!
    I was also at Fratton Park for that Cup game in 1976.

    But it was a decent sized Charlton contingent that went ..... about a dozen coaches, and loads had come down on the train. Plenty of us Charlton there, Prague.

    Then we took a massive crowd to top tier Wolves in the next round - lost 3-0 but hell of a good day out.
    Well I don't doubt for one moment that you were there, but where the ???? you all were, i will never know, because I didn't see or hear any large group in any location. If I'd seen it, I would have headed for it, it was pretty much all free terracing in those days. 3-0, and I thought I was celebrating on my own.

    I didnt go to Wolves, but I could see on the the telly clips the huge Charlton contingent, which only made me think again, where was everybody at Fratton?

    Do you remember being in a big Charlton group, Oggy, and if so, where in the ground?

    Just read this after posting in reply to Oggy, seems Iread your post wrong. There was a few hundred Charlton there that night (compared with the 15000 they had brought to the valley on the Saturday). As I said in my previous post there were about 50 on the halfway line but most were in the open end getting wet :smile:
    15,000? , that sounds a bit much. For sure they filled the whole south terrace though. Funny thing about that is, that at half time, I was able to wander round there, and somehow find my Pompey mates in the middle of them, no mobile phone, no prior arrangement. And no trouble either. But the replay was something else. I guess I couldn't find or hear any Charlton fans that night because in those days there were not strict designations of areas for away fans, and the size of the home crowd had overwhelmed them anyway.

    Now I come to think of it, for the home game last season I was outside the North while a lot of them marched up Harvey Gardens, and a lot of them had an attitude, could have kicked off in a heartbeat.

    15000 was the estimated figure given & I think that was the same season they took 12000 to Liverpool midweek for a league cup tie. They've always been well supported away, though obviously not normally to that extent. After the cup game there was a fair bit of trouble up in the village & in my experience there has always been trouble against Pompey, at least from 66/67 season at Fratton Park up until we played at Norwood when they attacked the Ship (& paid the price when a mob rushed out & laid into them)
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