The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
If only the Labour Party had some form of leader, who could be held responsible for the actions of its members.
The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
If only the Labour Party had some form of leader, who could be held responsible for the actions of its members.
So who gets blames for Chelsea's antisemitism? Roman Abramovich?!
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
I think you are the champion of twisted logic Henry. Did I suggest that because some Labour members are anti-semetic the whole party is? No. But that is the implication behind your similie. I am suggesting that dark powers are out to smear JC and the sudden incidence since 2016 of anti-semetism in Labour might not actually be by socialists but fake posters with an agenda.
I absolutely believe that contemplation of Corbyn's judgement is totally valid. It is that kind of thing that guides the votes of individuals. It is also in the realm of personal opinion. For example to read in that article that Michael Gove described the Good Friday Agreement as a 'mortal stain' and a 'humiliation' for the British Army would influence my vote if Gove ever decided to stand in Lewisham East.
Start a Michael Gove thread and I'll agree with you but this is the Corbyn thread : - )
Hold on - we can't talk about Gove on here but we can talk about Corbyn on the Brexit thread?
The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
Do you not have any ability to distinguish between a football club and a political party.
I call Corbyn an anti-semite because of his tolerance of antisemitism at the highest levels of his party (Livingstone for one) and his friendship and backing for anti-Semitic groups as well as his own words.
How on earth do you have the ability to link casual support for a football team (which anyone can do hence why you and I both support the same team) to being a signed up member, and in many cases a councillor or candidate, for a political party. Just mind boggling leaps of desperation.
You and Harvey are really, really desperate to make this about me, not Corbyn. Not going to work.
Because antisemitism is antisemitism. You're only interested in one party or to be more precise one person due to your agenda.
For the record I could argue why Ken isn't but that falls under the waste of time rabbit hole category and I'll be debating someone who will be searching twitter.
The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
Do you not have any ability to distinguish between a football club and a political party.
I call Corbyn an anti-semite because of his tolerance of antisemitism at the highest levels of his party (Livingstone for one) and his friendship and backing for anti-Semitic groups as well as his own words.
How on earth do you have the ability to link casual support for a football team (which anyone can do hence why you and I both support the same team) to being a signed up member, and in many cases a councillor or candidate, for a political party. Just mind boggling leaps of desperation.
You and Harvey are really, really desperate to make this about me, not Corbyn. Not going to work.
To be fair, this thread only exists because of you and the way you dragged Corbyn into the Brexit thread.
The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
If only the Labour Party had some form of leader, who could be held responsible for the actions of its members.
This would be a fun standard to apply to the Tories!
The cross-party inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party found no evidence that anti-Semitism was more prevalent in Labour than any other party.
Corbyn also hired a human rights expert to run an independent inquiry and she found that it was not endemic within Labour.
So that's two inquiries, one cross-party and one independent. But I suppose someone doing internet research will know more.
You could play headline bingo with this thread. "FRIEND OF TERRORISTS" tick. "UNELECTABLE" tick. "MAGIC MONEY TREE" tick... etc. Their words are used verbatim ffs.
Evidence 1. Corbyn hosts terrorist in the house of commons and is rebuked by his own party for doing so.
"Donald Dewar, the Labour Chief Whip, read the riot act individually to three Labour MPs - Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, and Alan Simpson - in his room off the members' lobby.
The Chief Whip said it was a matter of some sensitivity. It had been drawn to his attention the MPs had put the House at some considerable and unacceptable risk.
A Labour source said: "He had been informed by the security services that people with Mitchell McLaughlin were directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA. He said this House had been the target in the past and could well be in the present and the future."
Just a thought regarding talking to terrorists. I grew up through the 1970's and 80's. It was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland. The worst thing was there seemed no end to it. The IRA made it clear they wanted a United Ireland, while successive Bristish governments made it equally they would not negotiate with terrorists. And let's not forget the loyalist terror groups who were also active bringing their own kind of horror to the streets. The reason that situation is no longer with us is that a Prime Minister who should really get a statue in Westminster for his actions showed some real bravery and bought everyone around the table to talk - not just the politicians as that would solve nothing, but everyone. As a Labour voter, it's a bit sad, but John Major did something extraordinary there. Ther result was the Good Friday Agreement. The result is that the streets of Belfast are now normal. I would imagine that a lot of the old hatred may still be about, but the people of Northern Ireland can now go shopping or visit the pub without being shot or blown up. I often get the feeing the Brexit brigade would quite happily go back to the previous state of affairs if that was the price of a Hard Brexit, but I doubt any of them would show the sort of courage John Major showed in bringing the violence to and end. Be interested to hear @NornIrishAddick 's view on that.
Evidence 1. Corbyn hosts terrorist in the house of commons and is rebuked by his own party for doing so.
"Donald Dewar, the Labour Chief Whip, read the riot act individually to three Labour MPs - Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, and Alan Simpson - in his room off the members' lobby.
The Chief Whip said it was a matter of some sensitivity. It had been drawn to his attention the MPs had put the House at some considerable and unacceptable risk.
A Labour source said: "He had been informed by the security services that people with Mitchell McLaughlin were directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA. He said this House had been the target in the past and could well be in the present and the future."
Just a thought regarding talking to terrorists. I grew up through the 1970's and 80's. It was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland. The worst thing was there seemed no end to it. The IRA made it clear they wanted a United Ireland, while successive Bristish governments made it equally they would not negotiate with terrorists. And let's not forget the loyalist terror groups who were also active bringing their own kind of horror to the streets. The reason that situation is no longer with us is that a Prime Minister who should really get a statue in Westminster for his actions showed some real bravery and bought everyone around the table to talk - not just the politicians as that would solve nothing, but everyone. As a Labour voter, it's a bit sad, but John Major did something extraordinary there. Ther result was the Good Friday Agreement. The result is that the streets of Belfast are now normal. I would imagine that a lot of the old hatred may still be about, but the people of Northern Ireland can now go shopping or visit the pub without being shot or blown up. I often get the feeing the Brexit brigade would quite happily go back to the previous state of affairs if that was the price of a Hard Brexit, but I doubt any of them would show the sort of courage John Major showed in bringing the violence to and end. Be interested to hear @NornIrishAddick 's view on that.
Ok U wish it were true that the streets of Belfast were now 'normal', but Google 'peace walls' to see how delicate and tenuous things still are. It may be unknowing, but 17.4 million brexit voters puts it all at risk because of their vote, so now they have to own the solution rather than wash their hands of it.I I don't think I have encountered an admitted brexit voter get who could give two chites about Ireland, they are irritated by Ireland more often than not.
Because antisemitism is antisemitism. You're only interested in one party or to be more precise one person due to your agenda.
For the record I could argue why Ken isn't but that falls under the waste of time rabbit hole category and I'll be debating someone who will be searching twitter.
"Because antisemitism is antisemitism. You're only interested in one party or to be more precise one person due to your agenda." False. I'm against all antisemitism. It is just more tolerated and so prevalent in the Labour party.
"For the record I could argue why Ken isn't" False - You won't because you can't.
The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
Do you not have any ability to distinguish between a football club and a political party.
I call Corbyn an anti-semite because of his tolerance of antisemitism at the highest levels of his party (Livingstone for one) and his friendship and backing for anti-Semitic groups as well as his own words.
How on earth do you have the ability to link casual support for a football team (which anyone can do hence why you and I both support the same team) to being a signed up member, and in many cases a councillor or candidate, for a political party. Just mind boggling leaps of desperation.
You and Harvey are really, really desperate to make this about me, not Corbyn. Not going to work.
To be fair, this thread only exists because of you and the way you dragged Corbyn into the Brexit thread.
The cross-party inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party found no evidence that anti-Semitism was more prevalent in Labour than any other party.
Corbyn also hired a human rights expert to run an independent inquiry and she found that it was not endemic within Labour.
So that's two inquiries, one cross-party and one independent. But I suppose someone doing internet research will know more.
You could play headline bingo with this thread. "FRIEND OF TERRORISTS" tick. "UNELECTABLE" tick. "MAGIC MONEY TREE" tick... etc. Their words are used verbatim ffs.
Please feel free to start a thread about antisemitism in other parties. This one is about Corbyn
The cross-party inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party found no evidence that anti-Semitism was more prevalent in Labour than any other party.
Corbyn also hired a human rights expert to run an independent inquiry and she found that it was not endemic within Labour.
So that's two inquiries, one cross-party and one independent. But I suppose someone doing internet research will know more.
You could play headline bingo with this thread. "FRIEND OF TERRORISTS" tick. "UNELECTABLE" tick. "MAGIC MONEY TREE" tick... etc. Their words are used verbatim ffs.
Please feel free to start a thread about antisemitism in other parties. This one is about Corbyn
Like this one where Mr I'm against all antisemitism only mentions one party?
The cross-party inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party found no evidence that anti-Semitism was more prevalent in Labour than any other party.
Corbyn also hired a human rights expert to run an independent inquiry and she found that it was not endemic within Labour.
So that's two inquiries, one cross-party and one independent. But I suppose someone doing internet research will know more.
You could play headline bingo with this thread. "FRIEND OF TERRORISTS" tick. "UNELECTABLE" tick. "MAGIC MONEY TREE" tick... etc. Their words are used verbatim ffs.
Please feel free to start a thread about antisemitism in other parties. This one is about Corbyn
Corbyn is in the Labour party.
I can't believe I just had to write that.
If you want to ignore the results of two inquiries and instead quote newspaper articles and internet research, that's really on you mate.
Evidence 1. Corbyn hosts terrorist in the house of commons and is rebuked by his own party for doing so.
"Donald Dewar, the Labour Chief Whip, read the riot act individually to three Labour MPs - Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, and Alan Simpson - in his room off the members' lobby.
The Chief Whip said it was a matter of some sensitivity. It had been drawn to his attention the MPs had put the House at some considerable and unacceptable risk.
A Labour source said: "He had been informed by the security services that people with Mitchell McLaughlin were directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA. He said this House had been the target in the past and could well be in the present and the future."
Just a thought regarding talking to terrorists. I grew up through the 1970's and 80's. It was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland. The worst thing was there seemed no end to it. The IRA made it clear they wanted a United Ireland, while successive Bristish governments made it equally they would not negotiate with terrorists. And let's not forget the loyalist terror groups who were also active bringing their own kind of horror to the streets. The reason that situation is no longer with us is that a Prime Minister who should really get a statue in Westminster for his actions showed some real bravery and bought everyone around the table to talk - not just the politicians as that would solve nothing, but everyone. As a Labour voter, it's a bit sad, but John Major did something extraordinary there. Ther result was the Good Friday Agreement. The result is that the streets of Belfast are now normal. I would imagine that a lot of the old hatred may still be about, but the people of Northern Ireland can now go shopping or visit the pub without being shot or blown up. I often get the feeing the Brexit brigade would quite happily go back to the previous state of affairs if that was the price of a Hard Brexit, but I doubt any of them would show the sort of courage John Major showed in bringing the violence to and end. Be interested to hear @NornIrishAddick 's view on that.
Ok U wish it were true that the streets of Belfast were now 'normal', but Google 'peace walls' to see how delicate and tenuous things still are. It may be unknowing, but 17.4 million brexit voters puts it all at risk because of their vote, so now they have to own the solution rather than wash their hands of it.I I don't think I have encountered an admitted brexit voter get who could give two chites about Ireland, they are irritated by Ireland more often than not.
Very true. I do wonder if some people have ever been to Belfast and/or the rest of Northern Ireland with some of the comments they come out with. Not just on here.
The cross-party inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party found no evidence that anti-Semitism was more prevalent in Labour than any other party.
Corbyn also hired a human rights expert to run an independent inquiry and she found that it was not endemic within Labour.
So that's two inquiries, one cross-party and one independent. But I suppose someone doing internet research will know more.
You could play headline bingo with this thread. "FRIEND OF TERRORISTS" tick. "UNELECTABLE" tick. "MAGIC MONEY TREE" tick... etc. Their words are used verbatim ffs.
Please feel free to start a thread about antisemitism in other parties. This one is about Corbyn
Can't wait for you to post this evidence of Corbyn being antisemitic rather then other people then.
The irony of a Celtic supporter complaining about IRA symphony isn't lost on me. If an Election was called this month there will be a stage where the unelectable label will be dropped. Shame that most of the Labour voters are too busy working to reply to these comments but as lunch time is upon us this thread will quickly be sunk!
I'm a Charlton supporter, not a Celtic supporter. They are my Scottish club and have been since I was about 7, long before I knew what the IRA was. For the record I condemn the support for the IRA and the disrespect paid to the poppy by some Celtic fans.
Rather than putting up baseless slurs or waiting for the rest of the labour supporters to pile on why don't you put up some defence for Corbyn's long and well documented support for the IRA yourself @Friend Or Defoe
So when you grew up and understood the religious bigotry involved in your support, you carried on anyway. Never mind Ben, Corbyn is rumoured to be a closet Catholic as well.
Oh dear, so being having Celtic as a Scottish team makes you a bigot?
That will be all Celtic people too, all bigots according to you. Oh dear, oh dear.
Is that just Celtic fans, some of whom support Palistine but I guess you haven't really thought that through, if at all, or Rangers fans as well?
So so desperate to attack me that you show yourself up as someone with no grasp of reality.
I don't have twitter, and don't have the skills to completely unravel what is happening here. However there are a lot of people digging out others for whatever reason, and mentioning Jews and Jewishness in a very nasty peppers what little I can make of it. I don't see Jeremy Corbyn mentioned, I presume some Labour MP's are, but the implication is that this is talk amongst Labour party people, although not official Labour party people. Maybe. It highlights a very unpleasant.... well what?... corner of the Labour party? The general cultural trope of all Labour party members? An example of Labour party Policy? A faction cheered on by Corbyn to behave this way? A faction behaving this way and deliberately ignored by Jeremy Corbyn? The new culture in the half million person membership? A small group that Corbyn has yet to challenge, or the Labour party has yet to discipline?
If I was clear about who said what, and were able to cross reference their names against any party membership list, then i would expel the nasties from the party. or get the Party structures to start moving and expel them.
I am not being disingenuous if I say that the (presumably twitter) exchange is not easy for me to follow, there does not appear to be a recognisable chronology about it to get me started.
Given earlier posts about government sponsored online actions against Corbyn and supposed anti-semetism from 2016, despite him signing earlier EDM condemning violence against Jews, it might be safe to assume that some comments on Labour social media sites might not actually be from Labour supporters. I mean a given for being a leftie is anti-racist. Has nobody heard of false news. Could Henry cross reference all future anti-semetic posts to their Labour membership numbers.
An impossible task, (as you knew when you set it as a benchmark) to give numbers but since you have asked, I will post links to examples of blatant Antisemitism from Labour party members (and we know they are members because they are councillors and candidates).
I will remind you that you asked for examples.
Meanwhile, Some Chelsea fans were singing antisemitic songs last night (despite having a Jewish owner).
Now, by Harvey's twisted logic ALL Chelsea fans are bigots. That's how it works in Harveyworld.
You're literally calling Corbyn antisemitic because of actions of low level Labour councillors. Hence my Celtic reference. Do you not have any self awareness?
Do you not have any ability to distinguish between a football club and a political party.
I call Corbyn an anti-semite because of his tolerance of antisemitism at the highest levels of his party (Livingstone for one) and his friendship and backing for anti-Semitic groups as well as his own words.
How on earth do you have the ability to link casual support for a football team (which anyone can do hence why you and I both support the same team) to being a signed up member, and in many cases a councillor or candidate, for a political party. Just mind boggling leaps of desperation.
You and Harvey are really, really desperate to make this about me, not Corbyn. Not going to work.
To be fair, this thread only exists because of you and the way you dragged Corbyn into the Brexit thread.
And your point is?
It exists, it's about Corbyn.
Very selective of you. You're OK to bring up Corbyn in a Brexit / May thread but it's not OK to bring up politicians who were against the Good Friday agreement in a thread about Corbyn, a thread that you instigated, and in which you have repeatedly accused Corbyn sympathising with the IRA and of being an anti-semite.
Evidence 1. Corbyn hosts terrorist in the house of commons and is rebuked by his own party for doing so.
"Donald Dewar, the Labour Chief Whip, read the riot act individually to three Labour MPs - Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, and Alan Simpson - in his room off the members' lobby.
The Chief Whip said it was a matter of some sensitivity. It had been drawn to his attention the MPs had put the House at some considerable and unacceptable risk.
A Labour source said: "He had been informed by the security services that people with Mitchell McLaughlin were directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA. He said this House had been the target in the past and could well be in the present and the future."
Just a thought regarding talking to terrorists. I grew up through the 1970's and 80's. It was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland. The worst thing was there seemed no end to it. The IRA made it clear they wanted a United Ireland, while successive Bristish governments made it equally they would not negotiate with terrorists. And let's not forget the loyalist terror groups who were also active bringing their own kind of horror to the streets. The reason that situation is no longer with us is that a Prime Minister who should really get a statue in Westminster for his actions showed some real bravery and bought everyone around the table to talk - not just the politicians as that would solve nothing, but everyone. As a Labour voter, it's a bit sad, but John Major did something extraordinary there. Ther result was the Good Friday Agreement. The result is that the streets of Belfast are now normal. I would imagine that a lot of the old hatred may still be about, but the people of Northern Ireland can now go shopping or visit the pub without being shot or blown up. I often get the feeing the Brexit brigade would quite happily go back to the previous state of affairs if that was the price of a Hard Brexit, but I doubt any of them would show the sort of courage John Major showed in bringing the violence to and end. Be interested to hear @NornIrishAddick 's view on that.
Ok U wish it were true that the streets of Belfast were now 'normal', but Google 'peace walls' to see how delicate and tenuous things still are. It may be unknowing, but 17.4 million brexit voters puts it all at risk because of their vote, so now they have to own the solution rather than wash their hands of it.I I don't think I have encountered an admitted brexit voter get who could give two chites about Ireland, they are irritated by Ireland more often than not.
Very true. I do wonder if some people have ever been to Belfast and/or the rest of Northern Ireland with some of the comments they come out with. Not just on here.
Indeed. I've been twice in the last 18 months and the degree of segregation is quite shocking.
It strikes me that some people just dont like Corbyn for various reasons, 'corduroy trousers', 'he looks like a nonce', 'would you let him babysit your kids' are some of the more laughable reasons. Then we get onto the obsession, filtered down from the right wing press that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, is anti semitic, is weak. You do realise that you are talking about probably the strongest and most hardened campaigner against Racism, Homophobia, human rights etc for the last 40 years, yes that Jeremy Corbyn, the very same that some people believe is anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser, you couldn't make it up...only...it has been made up, and the best bit, the right wing press, you know the press that is owned by very very rich people, who also own shares in the banks, the banks that we the average person, have been paying for the mistakes of, the same banks and press who fund the Tory party, don't want Corbyn as PM, because the wealth will be shared on a more equal footing, so they consistently chuck enough shit at him, in the vain hope that some of it sticks.
Ive even read on here a while back that if Corbyn was PM then we would go back to the 3 day week like in the early seventies. I had to laugh, Ted Heaths Tories were in power and implemented the 3 day week, but then you need to know why there was a 3 day week, it was because the Tory government was in a financial mess (as always) and was capping wages to pay for the mess, sound familiar? Average wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry, so the miners went on strike, a worthwhile strike because they were being ripped off by the Tories. Thatcher took this further in the 80's and wrecked our coal industry, in fact a lot of industry employing skilled workers disappeared, Thatch wanted to concentrate on the Financial Institutions...see the patten, money for the rich......oh look....now we have no coal industry and we import million of tons of the stuff from China who are now a massively rich nation, we bring in many skilled workers from the EU, because Thatcher did away with apprentices. BUT the right wing press still say Corbyn will do all this...it sounds ridiculous but this is the shit people are opening up and swallowing, because they blindly believe the press and their mate down the pub.
And then the question of defence, Would JC 'push the button' and people put forward their ill thought out ideas, BUT no PM 'pushes the button'..a nuclear missile is launched by two senior officers using code in two different nuclear subs. Corbyn and the Labour party policy is that they would avoid nuclear war and only instruct as a last resort. I dont know about you but I want someone with this intelligence running my country not a bloody war monger and narcissistic bully like the USA have employed to lead their shit cart of a country.
I will admit the press fooled me for a while, I didn't like Corbyn, and then I checked, on a place called the internet.
On independent fact sites.
Full fact being one. Corbyn is not the messiah, he is not perfect and not utopian, but here you go, facts.
1. On 29th November 1994, Jeremy Corbyn signed a House of Commons Early Day Motion no.24 deploring the "terrorist atrocity & murderous violence" of the pIRA's Birmingham pub bombings.
2. In 1994, Jeremy Corbyn met four loyalist leaders including David Ervine whom he met five times both to discuss the wrongful imprisonment of UDR man Neil Latimer, and at Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in the October to receive notification of an impending ceasefire that was called just over a week later.
3. In an interview to the Belfast Telegraph on 10th October 2015, Ian Paisley's wife commented that Ian Paisley always found Jeremy Corbyn very courteous and polite. And that "he thought Jeremy Corbyn was a gentleman".
4. In February 1987, after initially incorrectly smearing him, Rupert Murdoch's The Times apologised to Jeremy Corbyn and admitted that he had ordered staff to phone the police to warn them of a suspected pIRA operative in London.
5. On 11th August 1988, the Irish Times ran an article praising Jeremy Corbyn as a "tireless campaigner for the Irish". Jeremy had worked to quash the wrongful conviction of the Guildford Four, and pushed for a reopening of the Bloody Sunday inquiry.
6. It was the Tory government who first spoke to Gerry Adams 11 years before Corbyn became an MP. MI5 files released under the thirty year rule showed that the Tory government released Gerry Adams from prison for secret talks in London. 476 people had died in 1972, the worst year of violence. MI5 files show that the Tory government concluded "there is no doubt whatsoever" that Gerry Adams "genuinely wants a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence". The British government also recorded that Adams's "response to every argument was reasonable and moderate".
7. Jeremy Corbyn only ever met Gerry Adams when the latter had entered electoral politics a full 14 years after the outbreak of the Northern Irish Conflict, in Adams's capacity as an elected MP. In the 1980s Margaret Thatcher placed a ban on elected Sinn Fein politicians' voices being broadcast. Jeremy thought this ran contrary to the principles of free speech. He was also keen that constituents from West Belfast were not silenced.
8. Gerry Adams visited Westminster in November 1996 to meet several Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn. The only item on the agenda was to resurrect the ceasefire that had collapsed. The ceasefire was recommended months later and has lasted ever since. Bill Clinton had invited Gerry Adams to the White House the previous year, thus Corbyn's actions fitted with the broader efforts for peace.
9. There were at least two controversies throughout all of this that do deserve explanation. Shortly after the Brighton bombing Corbyn along with other MPs met Republicans in Westminster. This is indeed insensitive and wrong. Corbyn's own motivation was to end the strip searching of female prisoners on remand.
10. On 13th May 1987, Jeremy Corbyn stood for a minute's silence to mark the eight people who had been killed by HM Armed Forces one week earlier in Armagh. One was an innocent civilian but seven were pIRA men. The minute's silence was held at an intellectual gathering of Irish sympathisers in London. The bodies were not all yet buried, and the circumstances were not wholly clear. There was controversy at the time over whether or not this was a shoot to kill incident. Indeed, the European Court awarded £10,000 compensation to each of the eight families.
And I'll add:
The Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013 was awarded to Jeremy Corbyn, MP Islington North on 26th November 2013 at Portcullis House.
'The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.'
So if you dont want to vote for Corbyn and just plain dont like the cut of his jib, then that is your choice. But please dont be fooled into thinking the UK wouldn't be a better place for 80% of the people, the ones like me and you. And if after all that you still think no, just look at the shit shower of self serving dishonourable bastards, masquerading as statesmen and women that have been running our country for the last 8 years.
If you want that to continue then you must be very wealthy and totally lacking in any empathy whatsoever.
Evidence 1. Corbyn hosts terrorist in the house of commons and is rebuked by his own party for doing so.
"Donald Dewar, the Labour Chief Whip, read the riot act individually to three Labour MPs - Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, and Alan Simpson - in his room off the members' lobby.
The Chief Whip said it was a matter of some sensitivity. It had been drawn to his attention the MPs had put the House at some considerable and unacceptable risk.
A Labour source said: "He had been informed by the security services that people with Mitchell McLaughlin were directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA. He said this House had been the target in the past and could well be in the present and the future."
Just a thought regarding talking to terrorists. I grew up through the 1970's and 80's. It was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland. The worst thing was there seemed no end to it. The IRA made it clear they wanted a United Ireland, while successive Bristish governments made it equally they would not negotiate with terrorists. And let's not forget the loyalist terror groups who were also active bringing their own kind of horror to the streets. The reason that situation is no longer with us is that a Prime Minister who should really get a statue in Westminster for his actions showed some real bravery and bought everyone around the table to talk - not just the politicians as that would solve nothing, but everyone. As a Labour voter, it's a bit sad, but John Major did something extraordinary there. Ther result was the Good Friday Agreement. The result is that the streets of Belfast are now normal. I would imagine that a lot of the old hatred may still be about, but the people of Northern Ireland can now go shopping or visit the pub without being shot or blown up. I often get the feeing the Brexit brigade would quite happily go back to the previous state of affairs if that was the price of a Hard Brexit, but I doubt any of them would show the sort of courage John Major showed in bringing the violence to and end. Be interested to hear @NornIrishAddick 's view on that.
For what it's worth, I 100% agree that John Major deserves massive respect for the risk he took, in partnership with Albert Reynolds, and I'd also give a mention for the role of Peter Brookes & co., all of whom were overshadowed by the Blair team. Mo Mowlam was wonderful as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, but her achievements rested on the foundations of the Major administration.
Things are far from perfect, and we probably should have gone for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, but it is a massive improvement to only have "Peace Walls" rather than Control Zones, security gates to enter town or city centres, bomb scares (as well as the real thing) and searches on entry to shops, offices or other public buildings as part of your daily routine.
It strikes me that some people just dont like Corbyn for various reasons, 'corduroy trousers', 'he looks like a nonce', 'would you let him babysit your kids' are some of the more laughable reasons. Then we get onto the obsession, filtered down from the right wing press that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, is anti semitic, is weak. You do realise that you are talking about probably the strongest and most hardened campaigner against Racism, Homophobia, human rights etc for the last 40 years, yes that Jeremy Corbyn, the very same that some people believe is anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser, you couldn't make it up...only...it has been made up, and the best bit, the right wing press, you know the press that is owned by very very rich people, who also own shares in the banks, the banks that we the average person, have been paying for the mistakes of, the same banks and press who fund the Tory party, don't want Corbyn as PM, because the wealth will be shared on a more equal footing, so they consistently chuck enough shit at him, in the vain hope that some of it sticks.
Ive even read on here a while back that if Corbyn was PM then we would go back to the 3 day week like in the early seventies. I had to laugh, Ted Heaths Tories were in power and implemented the 3 day week, but then you need to know why there was a 3 day week, it was because the Tory government was in a financial mess (as always) and was capping wages to pay for the mess, sound familiar? Average wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry, so the miners went on strike, a worthwhile strike because they were being ripped off by the Tories. Thatcher took this further in the 80's and wrecked our coal industry, in fact a lot of industry employing skilled workers disappeared, Thatch wanted to concentrate on the Financial Institutions...see the patten, money for the rich......oh look....now we have no coal industry and we import million of tons of the stuff from China who are now a massively rich nation, we bring in many skilled workers from the EU, because Thatcher did away with apprentices. BUT the right wing press still say Corbyn will do all this...it sounds ridiculous but this is the shit people are opening up and swallowing, because they blindly believe the press and their mate down the pub.
And then the question of defence, Would JC 'push the button' and people put forward their ill thought out ideas, BUT no PM 'pushes the button'..a nuclear missile is launched by two senior officers using code in two different nuclear subs. Corbyn and the Labour party policy is that they would avoid nuclear war and only instruct as a last resort. I dont know about you but I want someone with this intelligence running my country not a bloody war monger and narcissistic bully like the USA have employed to lead their shit cart of a country.
I will admit the press fooled me for a while, I didn't like Corbyn, and then I checked, on a place called the internet.
On independent fact sites.
Full fact being one. Corbyn is not the messiah, he is not perfect and not utopian, but here you go, facts.
1. On 29th November 1994, Jeremy Corbyn signed a House of Commons Early Day Motion no.24 deploring the "terrorist atrocity & murderous violence" of the pIRA's Birmingham pub bombings.
2. In 1994, Jeremy Corbyn met four loyalist leaders including David Ervine whom he met five times both to discuss the wrongful imprisonment of UDR man Neil Latimer, and at Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in the October to receive notification of an impending ceasefire that was called just over a week later.
3. In an interview to the Belfast Telegraph on 10th October 2015, Ian Paisley's wife commented that Ian Paisley always found Jeremy Corbyn very courteous and polite. And that "he thought Jeremy Corbyn was a gentleman".
4. In February 1987, after initially incorrectly smearing him, Rupert Murdoch's The Times apologised to Jeremy Corbyn and admitted that he had ordered staff to phone the police to warn them of a suspected pIRA operative in London.
5. On 11th August 1988, the Irish Times ran an article praising Jeremy Corbyn as a "tireless campaigner for the Irish". Jeremy had worked to quash the wrongful conviction of the Guildford Four, and pushed for a reopening of the Bloody Sunday inquiry.
6. It was the Tory government who first spoke to Gerry Adams 11 years before Corbyn became an MP. MI5 files released under the thirty year rule showed that the Tory government released Gerry Adams from prison for secret talks in London. 476 people had died in 1972, the worst year of violence. MI5 files show that the Tory government concluded "there is no doubt whatsoever" that Gerry Adams "genuinely wants a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence". The British government also recorded that Adams's "response to every argument was reasonable and moderate".
7. Jeremy Corbyn only ever met Gerry Adams when the latter had entered electoral politics a full 14 years after the outbreak of the Northern Irish Conflict, in Adams's capacity as an elected MP. In the 1980s Margaret Thatcher placed a ban on elected Sinn Fein politicians' voices being broadcast. Jeremy thought this ran contrary to the principles of free speech. He was also keen that constituents from West Belfast were not silenced.
8. Gerry Adams visited Westminster in November 1996 to meet several Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn. The only item on the agenda was to resurrect the ceasefire that had collapsed. The ceasefire was recommended months later and has lasted ever since. Bill Clinton had invited Gerry Adams to the White House the previous year, thus Corbyn's actions fitted with the broader efforts for peace.
9. There were at least two controversies throughout all of this that do deserve explanation. Shortly after the Brighton bombing Corbyn along with other MPs met Republicans in Westminster. This is indeed insensitive and wrong. Corbyn's own motivation was to end the strip searching of female prisoners on remand.
10. On 13th May 1987, Jeremy Corbyn stood for a minute's silence to mark the eight people who had been killed by HM Armed Forces one week earlier in Armagh. One was an innocent civilian but seven were pIRA men. The minute's silence was held at an intellectual gathering of Irish sympathisers in London. The bodies were not all yet buried, and the circumstances were not wholly clear. There was controversy at the time over whether or not this was a shoot to kill incident. Indeed, the European Court awarded £10,000 compensation to each of the eight families.
And I'll add:
The Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013 was awarded to Jeremy Corbyn, MP Islington North on 26th November 2013 at Portcullis House.
'The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.'
If you want that to continue then you must be very wealthy and totally lacking in any empathy whatsoever.
It strikes me that some people just dont like Corbyn for various reasons, 'corduroy trousers', 'he looks like a nonce', 'would you let him babysit your kids' are some of the more laughable reasons. Then we get onto the obsession, filtered down from the right wing press that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, is anti semitic, is weak. You do realise that you are talking about probably the strongest and most hardened campaigner against Racism, Homophobia, human rights etc for the last 40 years, yes that Jeremy Corbyn, the very same that some people believe is anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser, you couldn't make it up...only...it has been made up, and the best bit, the right wing press, you know the press that is owned by very very rich people, who also own shares in the banks, the banks that we the average person, have been paying for the mistakes of, the same banks and press who fund the Tory party, don't want Corbyn as PM, because the wealth will be shared on a more equal footing, so they consistently chuck enough shit at him, in the vain hope that some of it sticks.
Ive even read on here a while back that if Corbyn was PM then we would go back to the 3 day week like in the early seventies. I had to laugh, Ted Heaths Tories were in power and implemented the 3 day week, but then you need to know why there was a 3 day week, it was because the Tory government was in a financial mess (as always) and was capping wages to pay for the mess, sound familiar? Average wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry, so the miners went on strike, a worthwhile strike because they were being ripped off by the Tories. Thatcher took this further in the 80's and wrecked our coal industry, in fact a lot of industry employing skilled workers disappeared, Thatch wanted to concentrate on the Financial Institutions...see the patten, money for the rich......oh look....now we have no coal industry and we import million of tons of the stuff from China who are now a massively rich nation, we bring in many skilled workers from the EU, because Thatcher did away with apprentices. BUT the right wing press still say Corbyn will do all this...it sounds ridiculous but this is the shit people are opening up and swallowing, because they blindly believe the press and their mate down the pub.
And then the question of defence, Would JC 'push the button' and people put forward their ill thought out ideas, BUT no PM 'pushes the button'..a nuclear missile is launched by two senior officers using code in two different nuclear subs. Corbyn and the Labour party policy is that they would avoid nuclear war and only instruct as a last resort. I dont know about you but I want someone with this intelligence running my country not a bloody war monger and narcissistic bully like the USA have employed to lead their shit cart of a country.
I will admit the press fooled me for a while, I didn't like Corbyn, and then I checked, on a place called the internet.
On independent fact sites.
Full fact being one. Corbyn is not the messiah, he is not perfect and not utopian, but here you go, facts.
1. On 29th November 1994, Jeremy Corbyn signed a House of Commons Early Day Motion no.24 deploring the "terrorist atrocity & murderous violence" of the pIRA's Birmingham pub bombings.
2. In 1994, Jeremy Corbyn met four loyalist leaders including David Ervine whom he met five times both to discuss the wrongful imprisonment of UDR man Neil Latimer, and at Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in the October to receive notification of an impending ceasefire that was called just over a week later.
3. In an interview to the Belfast Telegraph on 10th October 2015, Ian Paisley's wife commented that Ian Paisley always found Jeremy Corbyn very courteous and polite. And that "he thought Jeremy Corbyn was a gentleman".
4. In February 1987, after initially incorrectly smearing him, Rupert Murdoch's The Times apologised to Jeremy Corbyn and admitted that he had ordered staff to phone the police to warn them of a suspected pIRA operative in London.
5. On 11th August 1988, the Irish Times ran an article praising Jeremy Corbyn as a "tireless campaigner for the Irish". Jeremy had worked to quash the wrongful conviction of the Guildford Four, and pushed for a reopening of the Bloody Sunday inquiry.
6. It was the Tory government who first spoke to Gerry Adams 11 years before Corbyn became an MP. MI5 files released under the thirty year rule showed that the Tory government released Gerry Adams from prison for secret talks in London. 476 people had died in 1972, the worst year of violence. MI5 files show that the Tory government concluded "there is no doubt whatsoever" that Gerry Adams "genuinely wants a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence". The British government also recorded that Adams's "response to every argument was reasonable and moderate".
7. Jeremy Corbyn only ever met Gerry Adams when the latter had entered electoral politics a full 14 years after the outbreak of the Northern Irish Conflict, in Adams's capacity as an elected MP. In the 1980s Margaret Thatcher placed a ban on elected Sinn Fein politicians' voices being broadcast. Jeremy thought this ran contrary to the principles of free speech. He was also keen that constituents from West Belfast were not silenced.
8. Gerry Adams visited Westminster in November 1996 to meet several Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn. The only item on the agenda was to resurrect the ceasefire that had collapsed. The ceasefire was recommended months later and has lasted ever since. Bill Clinton had invited Gerry Adams to the White House the previous year, thus Corbyn's actions fitted with the broader efforts for peace.
9. There were at least two controversies throughout all of this that do deserve explanation. Shortly after the Brighton bombing Corbyn along with other MPs met Republicans in Westminster. This is indeed insensitive and wrong. Corbyn's own motivation was to end the strip searching of female prisoners on remand.
10. On 13th May 1987, Jeremy Corbyn stood for a minute's silence to mark the eight people who had been killed by HM Armed Forces one week earlier in Armagh. One was an innocent civilian but seven were pIRA men. The minute's silence was held at an intellectual gathering of Irish sympathisers in London. The bodies were not all yet buried, and the circumstances were not wholly clear. There was controversy at the time over whether or not this was a shoot to kill incident. Indeed, the European Court awarded £10,000 compensation to each of the eight families.
And I'll add:
The Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013 was awarded to Jeremy Corbyn, MP Islington North on 26th November 2013 at Portcullis House.
'The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.'
If you want that to continue then you must be very wealthy and totally lacking in any empathy whatsoever.
What a stupid reply to a well-researched and considered post.
It strikes me that some people just dont like Corbyn for various reasons, 'corduroy trousers', 'he looks like a nonce', 'would you let him babysit your kids' are some of the more laughable reasons. Then we get onto the obsession, filtered down from the right wing press that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, is anti semitic, is weak. You do realise that you are talking about probably the strongest and most hardened campaigner against Racism, Homophobia, human rights etc for the last 40 years, yes that Jeremy Corbyn, the very same that some people believe is anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser, you couldn't make it up...only...it has been made up, and the best bit, the right wing press, you know the press that is owned by very very rich people, who also own shares in the banks, the banks that we the average person, have been paying for the mistakes of, the same banks and press who fund the Tory party, don't want Corbyn as PM, because the wealth will be shared on a more equal footing, so they consistently chuck enough shit at him, in the vain hope that some of it sticks.
Ive even read on here a while back that if Corbyn was PM then we would go back to the 3 day week like in the early seventies. I had to laugh, Ted Heaths Tories were in power and implemented the 3 day week, but then you need to know why there was a 3 day week, it was because the Tory government was in a financial mess (as always) and was capping wages to pay for the mess, sound familiar? Average wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry, so the miners went on strike, a worthwhile strike because they were being ripped off by the Tories. Thatcher took this further in the 80's and wrecked our coal industry, in fact a lot of industry employing skilled workers disappeared, Thatch wanted to concentrate on the Financial Institutions...see the patten, money for the rich......oh look....now we have no coal industry and we import million of tons of the stuff from China who are now a massively rich nation, we bring in many skilled workers from the EU, because Thatcher did away with apprentices. BUT the right wing press still say Corbyn will do all this...it sounds ridiculous but this is the shit people are opening up and swallowing, because they blindly believe the press and their mate down the pub.
And then the question of defence, Would JC 'push the button' and people put forward their ill thought out ideas, BUT no PM 'pushes the button'..a nuclear missile is launched by two senior officers using code in two different nuclear subs. Corbyn and the Labour party policy is that they would avoid nuclear war and only instruct as a last resort. I dont know about you but I want someone with this intelligence running my country not a bloody war monger and narcissistic bully like the USA have employed to lead their shit cart of a country.
I will admit the press fooled me for a while, I didn't like Corbyn, and then I checked, on a place called the internet.
On independent fact sites.
Full fact being one. Corbyn is not the messiah, he is not perfect and not utopian, but here you go, facts.
1. On 29th November 1994, Jeremy Corbyn signed a House of Commons Early Day Motion no.24 deploring the "terrorist atrocity & murderous violence" of the pIRA's Birmingham pub bombings.
2. In 1994, Jeremy Corbyn met four loyalist leaders including David Ervine whom he met five times both to discuss the wrongful imprisonment of UDR man Neil Latimer, and at Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in the October to receive notification of an impending ceasefire that was called just over a week later.
3. In an interview to the Belfast Telegraph on 10th October 2015, Ian Paisley's wife commented that Ian Paisley always found Jeremy Corbyn very courteous and polite. And that "he thought Jeremy Corbyn was a gentleman".
4. In February 1987, after initially incorrectly smearing him, Rupert Murdoch's The Times apologised to Jeremy Corbyn and admitted that he had ordered staff to phone the police to warn them of a suspected pIRA operative in London.
5. On 11th August 1988, the Irish Times ran an article praising Jeremy Corbyn as a "tireless campaigner for the Irish". Jeremy had worked to quash the wrongful conviction of the Guildford Four, and pushed for a reopening of the Bloody Sunday inquiry.
6. It was the Tory government who first spoke to Gerry Adams 11 years before Corbyn became an MP. MI5 files released under the thirty year rule showed that the Tory government released Gerry Adams from prison for secret talks in London. 476 people had died in 1972, the worst year of violence. MI5 files show that the Tory government concluded "there is no doubt whatsoever" that Gerry Adams "genuinely wants a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence". The British government also recorded that Adams's "response to every argument was reasonable and moderate".
7. Jeremy Corbyn only ever met Gerry Adams when the latter had entered electoral politics a full 14 years after the outbreak of the Northern Irish Conflict, in Adams's capacity as an elected MP. In the 1980s Margaret Thatcher placed a ban on elected Sinn Fein politicians' voices being broadcast. Jeremy thought this ran contrary to the principles of free speech. He was also keen that constituents from West Belfast were not silenced.
8. Gerry Adams visited Westminster in November 1996 to meet several Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn. The only item on the agenda was to resurrect the ceasefire that had collapsed. The ceasefire was recommended months later and has lasted ever since. Bill Clinton had invited Gerry Adams to the White House the previous year, thus Corbyn's actions fitted with the broader efforts for peace.
9. There were at least two controversies throughout all of this that do deserve explanation. Shortly after the Brighton bombing Corbyn along with other MPs met Republicans in Westminster. This is indeed insensitive and wrong. Corbyn's own motivation was to end the strip searching of female prisoners on remand.
10. On 13th May 1987, Jeremy Corbyn stood for a minute's silence to mark the eight people who had been killed by HM Armed Forces one week earlier in Armagh. One was an innocent civilian but seven were pIRA men. The minute's silence was held at an intellectual gathering of Irish sympathisers in London. The bodies were not all yet buried, and the circumstances were not wholly clear. There was controversy at the time over whether or not this was a shoot to kill incident. Indeed, the European Court awarded £10,000 compensation to each of the eight families.
And I'll add:
The Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013 was awarded to Jeremy Corbyn, MP Islington North on 26th November 2013 at Portcullis House.
'The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.'
If you want that to continue then you must be very wealthy and totally lacking in any empathy whatsoever.
What a stupid reply to a well-researched and considered post.
It strikes me that some people just dont like Corbyn for various reasons, 'corduroy trousers', 'he looks like a nonce', 'would you let him babysit your kids' are some of the more laughable reasons. Then we get onto the obsession, filtered down from the right wing press that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, is anti semitic, is weak. You do realise that you are talking about probably the strongest and most hardened campaigner against Racism, Homophobia, human rights etc for the last 40 years, yes that Jeremy Corbyn, the very same that some people believe is anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser, you couldn't make it up...only...it has been made up, and the best bit, the right wing press, you know the press that is owned by very very rich people, who also own shares in the banks, the banks that we the average person, have been paying for the mistakes of, the same banks and press who fund the Tory party, don't want Corbyn as PM, because the wealth will be shared on a more equal footing, so they consistently chuck enough shit at him, in the vain hope that some of it sticks.
Ive even read on here a while back that if Corbyn was PM then we would go back to the 3 day week like in the early seventies. I had to laugh, Ted Heaths Tories were in power and implemented the 3 day week, but then you need to know why there was a 3 day week, it was because the Tory government was in a financial mess (as always) and was capping wages to pay for the mess, sound familiar? Average wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry, so the miners went on strike, a worthwhile strike because they were being ripped off by the Tories. Thatcher took this further in the 80's and wrecked our coal industry, in fact a lot of industry employing skilled workers disappeared, Thatch wanted to concentrate on the Financial Institutions...see the patten, money for the rich......oh look....now we have no coal industry and we import million of tons of the stuff from China who are now a massively rich nation, we bring in many skilled workers from the EU, because Thatcher did away with apprentices. BUT the right wing press still say Corbyn will do all this...it sounds ridiculous but this is the shit people are opening up and swallowing, because they blindly believe the press and their mate down the pub.
And then the question of defence, Would JC 'push the button' and people put forward their ill thought out ideas, BUT no PM 'pushes the button'..a nuclear missile is launched by two senior officers using code in two different nuclear subs. Corbyn and the Labour party policy is that they would avoid nuclear war and only instruct as a last resort. I dont know about you but I want someone with this intelligence running my country not a bloody war monger and narcissistic bully like the USA have employed to lead their shit cart of a country.
I will admit the press fooled me for a while, I didn't like Corbyn, and then I checked, on a place called the internet.
On independent fact sites.
Full fact being one. Corbyn is not the messiah, he is not perfect and not utopian, but here you go, facts.
1. On 29th November 1994, Jeremy Corbyn signed a House of Commons Early Day Motion no.24 deploring the "terrorist atrocity & murderous violence" of the pIRA's Birmingham pub bombings.
2. In 1994, Jeremy Corbyn met four loyalist leaders including David Ervine whom he met five times both to discuss the wrongful imprisonment of UDR man Neil Latimer, and at Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in the October to receive notification of an impending ceasefire that was called just over a week later.
3. In an interview to the Belfast Telegraph on 10th October 2015, Ian Paisley's wife commented that Ian Paisley always found Jeremy Corbyn very courteous and polite. And that "he thought Jeremy Corbyn was a gentleman".
4. In February 1987, after initially incorrectly smearing him, Rupert Murdoch's The Times apologised to Jeremy Corbyn and admitted that he had ordered staff to phone the police to warn them of a suspected pIRA operative in London.
5. On 11th August 1988, the Irish Times ran an article praising Jeremy Corbyn as a "tireless campaigner for the Irish". Jeremy had worked to quash the wrongful conviction of the Guildford Four, and pushed for a reopening of the Bloody Sunday inquiry.
6. It was the Tory government who first spoke to Gerry Adams 11 years before Corbyn became an MP. MI5 files released under the thirty year rule showed that the Tory government released Gerry Adams from prison for secret talks in London. 476 people had died in 1972, the worst year of violence. MI5 files show that the Tory government concluded "there is no doubt whatsoever" that Gerry Adams "genuinely wants a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence". The British government also recorded that Adams's "response to every argument was reasonable and moderate".
7. Jeremy Corbyn only ever met Gerry Adams when the latter had entered electoral politics a full 14 years after the outbreak of the Northern Irish Conflict, in Adams's capacity as an elected MP. In the 1980s Margaret Thatcher placed a ban on elected Sinn Fein politicians' voices being broadcast. Jeremy thought this ran contrary to the principles of free speech. He was also keen that constituents from West Belfast were not silenced.
8. Gerry Adams visited Westminster in November 1996 to meet several Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn. The only item on the agenda was to resurrect the ceasefire that had collapsed. The ceasefire was recommended months later and has lasted ever since. Bill Clinton had invited Gerry Adams to the White House the previous year, thus Corbyn's actions fitted with the broader efforts for peace.
9. There were at least two controversies throughout all of this that do deserve explanation. Shortly after the Brighton bombing Corbyn along with other MPs met Republicans in Westminster. This is indeed insensitive and wrong. Corbyn's own motivation was to end the strip searching of female prisoners on remand.
10. On 13th May 1987, Jeremy Corbyn stood for a minute's silence to mark the eight people who had been killed by HM Armed Forces one week earlier in Armagh. One was an innocent civilian but seven were pIRA men. The minute's silence was held at an intellectual gathering of Irish sympathisers in London. The bodies were not all yet buried, and the circumstances were not wholly clear. There was controversy at the time over whether or not this was a shoot to kill incident. Indeed, the European Court awarded £10,000 compensation to each of the eight families.
And I'll add:
The Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013 was awarded to Jeremy Corbyn, MP Islington North on 26th November 2013 at Portcullis House.
'The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.'
If you want that to continue then you must be very wealthy and totally lacking in any empathy whatsoever.
What a stupid reply to a well-researched and considered post.
Oh fuck off, Greenie knows I'm only messing about. Stop taking it all so seriously.
Excellent post Greenie. May I add the prestigious MacBride peace prize which was awarded to Corbyn last December which did not even garner a mention in the press, including TV.
Comments
I call Corbyn an anti-semite because of his tolerance of antisemitism at the highest levels of his party (Livingstone for one) and his friendship and backing for anti-Semitic groups as well as his own words.
How on earth do you have the ability to link casual support for a football team (which anyone can do hence why you and I both support the same team) to being a signed up member, and in many cases a councillor or candidate, for a political party. Just mind boggling leaps of desperation.
You and Harvey are really, really desperate to make this about me, not Corbyn. Not going to work.
For the record I could argue why Ken isn't but that falls under the waste of time rabbit hole category and I'll be debating someone who will be searching twitter.
Corbyn also hired a human rights expert to run an independent inquiry and she found that it was not endemic within Labour.
So that's two inquiries, one cross-party and one independent. But I suppose someone doing internet research will know more.
You could play headline bingo with this thread. "FRIEND OF TERRORISTS" tick. "UNELECTABLE" tick. "MAGIC MONEY TREE" tick... etc. Their words are used verbatim ffs.
The reason that situation is no longer with us is that a Prime Minister who should really get a statue in Westminster for his actions showed some real bravery and bought everyone around the table to talk - not just the politicians as that would solve nothing, but everyone. As a Labour voter, it's a bit sad, but John Major did something extraordinary there. Ther result was the Good Friday Agreement. The result is that the streets of Belfast are now normal. I would imagine that a lot of the old hatred may still be about, but the people of Northern Ireland can now go shopping or visit the pub without being shot or blown up.
I often get the feeing the Brexit brigade would quite happily go back to the previous state of affairs if that was the price of a Hard Brexit, but I doubt any of them would show the sort of courage John Major showed in bringing the violence to and end.
Be interested to hear @NornIrishAddick 's view on that.
It may be unknowing, but 17.4 million brexit voters puts it all at risk because of their vote, so now they have to own the solution rather than wash their hands of it.I
I don't think I have encountered an admitted brexit voter get who could give two chites about Ireland, they are irritated by Ireland more often than not.
"For the record I could argue why Ken isn't" False - You won't because you can't.
It exists, it's about Corbyn.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/82640/anti-semitism/p1
I can't believe I just had to write that.
If you want to ignore the results of two inquiries and instead quote newspaper articles and internet research, that's really on you mate.
It strikes me that some people just dont like Corbyn for various reasons, 'corduroy trousers', 'he looks like a nonce', 'would you let him babysit your kids' are some of the more laughable reasons.
Then we get onto the obsession, filtered down from the right wing press that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, is anti semitic, is weak.
You do realise that you are talking about probably the strongest and most hardened campaigner against Racism, Homophobia, human rights etc for the last 40 years, yes that Jeremy Corbyn, the very same that some people believe is anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser, you couldn't make it up...only...it has been made up, and the best bit, the right wing press, you know the press that is owned by very very rich people, who also own shares in the banks, the banks that we the average person, have been paying for the mistakes of, the same banks and press who fund the Tory party, don't want Corbyn as PM, because the wealth will be shared on a more equal footing, so they consistently chuck enough shit at him, in the vain hope that some of it sticks.
Ive even read on here a while back that if Corbyn was PM then we would go back to the 3 day week like in the early seventies.
I had to laugh, Ted Heaths Tories were in power and implemented the 3 day week, but then you need to know why there was a 3 day week, it was because the Tory government was in a financial mess (as always) and was capping wages to pay for the mess, sound familiar?
Average wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry, so the miners went on strike, a worthwhile strike because they were being ripped off by the Tories.
Thatcher took this further in the 80's and wrecked our coal industry, in fact a lot of industry employing skilled workers disappeared, Thatch wanted to concentrate on the Financial Institutions...see the patten, money for the rich......oh look....now we have no coal industry and we import million of tons of the stuff from China who are now a massively rich nation, we bring in many skilled workers from the EU, because Thatcher did away with apprentices. BUT the right wing press still say Corbyn will do all this...it sounds ridiculous but this is the shit people are opening up and swallowing, because they blindly believe the press and their mate down the pub.
And then the question of defence, Would JC 'push the button' and people put forward their ill thought out ideas, BUT no PM 'pushes the button'..a nuclear missile is launched by two senior officers using code in two different nuclear subs. Corbyn and the Labour party policy is that they would avoid nuclear war and only instruct as a last resort. I dont know about you but I want someone with this intelligence running my country not a bloody war monger and narcissistic bully like the USA have employed to lead their shit cart of a country.
I will admit the press fooled me for a while, I didn't like Corbyn, and then I checked, on a place called the internet.
On independent fact sites.
Full fact being one. Corbyn is not the messiah, he is not perfect and not utopian, but here you go, facts.
1. On 29th November 1994, Jeremy Corbyn signed a House of Commons Early Day Motion no.24 deploring the "terrorist atrocity & murderous violence" of the pIRA's Birmingham pub bombings.
2. In 1994, Jeremy Corbyn met four loyalist leaders including David Ervine whom he met five times both to discuss the wrongful imprisonment of UDR man Neil Latimer, and at Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in the October to receive notification of an impending ceasefire that was called just over a week later.
3. In an interview to the Belfast Telegraph on 10th October 2015, Ian Paisley's wife commented that Ian Paisley always found Jeremy Corbyn very courteous and polite. And that "he thought Jeremy Corbyn was a gentleman".
4. In February 1987, after initially incorrectly smearing him, Rupert Murdoch's The Times apologised to Jeremy Corbyn and admitted that he had ordered staff to phone the police to warn them of a suspected pIRA operative in London.
5. On 11th August 1988, the Irish Times ran an article praising Jeremy Corbyn as a "tireless campaigner for the Irish". Jeremy had worked to quash the wrongful conviction of the Guildford Four, and pushed for a reopening of the Bloody Sunday inquiry.
6. It was the Tory government who first spoke to Gerry Adams 11 years before Corbyn became an MP. MI5 files released under the thirty year rule showed that the Tory government released Gerry Adams from prison for secret talks in London. 476 people had died in 1972, the worst year of violence. MI5 files show that the Tory government concluded "there is no doubt whatsoever" that Gerry Adams "genuinely wants a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence". The British government also recorded that Adams's "response to every argument was reasonable and moderate".
7. Jeremy Corbyn only ever met Gerry Adams when the latter had entered electoral politics a full 14 years after the outbreak of the Northern Irish Conflict, in Adams's capacity as an elected MP. In the 1980s Margaret Thatcher placed a ban on elected Sinn Fein politicians' voices being broadcast. Jeremy thought this ran contrary to the principles of free speech. He was also keen that constituents from West Belfast were not silenced.
8. Gerry Adams visited Westminster in November 1996 to meet several Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn. The only item on the agenda was to resurrect the ceasefire that had collapsed. The ceasefire was recommended months later and has lasted ever since. Bill Clinton had invited Gerry Adams to the White House the previous year, thus Corbyn's actions fitted with the broader efforts for peace.
9. There were at least two controversies throughout all of this that do deserve explanation. Shortly after the Brighton bombing Corbyn along with other MPs met Republicans in Westminster. This is indeed insensitive and wrong. Corbyn's own motivation was to end the strip searching of female prisoners on remand.
10. On 13th May 1987, Jeremy Corbyn stood for a minute's silence to mark the eight people who had been killed by HM Armed Forces one week earlier in Armagh. One was an innocent civilian but seven were pIRA men. The minute's silence was held at an intellectual gathering of Irish sympathisers in London. The bodies were not all yet buried, and the circumstances were not wholly clear. There was controversy at the time over whether or not this was a shoot to kill incident. Indeed, the European Court awarded £10,000 compensation to each of the eight families.
And I'll add:
The Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013 was awarded to Jeremy Corbyn, MP Islington North on 26th November 2013 at Portcullis House.
'The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.'
So if you dont want to vote for Corbyn and just plain dont like the cut of his jib, then that is your choice.
But please dont be fooled into thinking the UK wouldn't be a better place for 80% of the people, the ones like me and you.
And if after all that you still think no, just look at the shit shower of self serving dishonourable bastards, masquerading as statesmen and women that have been running our country for the last 8 years.
If you want that to continue then you must be very wealthy and totally lacking in any empathy whatsoever.
Things are far from perfect, and we probably should have gone for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, but it is a massive improvement to only have "Peace Walls" rather than Control Zones, security gates to enter town or city centres, bomb scares (as well as the real thing) and searches on entry to shops, offices or other public buildings as part of your daily routine.