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Sunderland Til I Die - Netflix
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Haven’t finished it yet but I thought the stuff with Sophie the marketing woman was extremely poorly handled. I’m a TV producer who has made several documentaries over the years and the way this was edited, and the focus on her as a dud, insolent employee, was appalling.Remember this is a single mum who presumably lives in the area and will be looking for another job, not a £50k a week footballer (Maja) that the series should be about. It feels like it was cut like this because the source material was so thin.This and the Tiger King, where Carole Baskin claims the show was edited to sex up the ‘she killed her husband’ allegations, is not showing Netflix in a great light. Yes give film makers freedom but Netflix has a responsibility to hold those film makers to account before broadcast.4
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Interesting post. Haven't watched it yet, but I will remember your point. Have to say I didn't recall anything like that in S1 though, and wonder if you did (if you have seen S1).Valley11 said:Haven’t finished it yet but I thought the stuff with Sophie the marketing woman was extremely poorly handled. I’m a TV producer who has made several documentaries over the years and the way this was edited, and the focus on her as a dud, insolent employee, was appalling.Remember this is a single mum who presumably lives in the area and will be looking for another job, not a £50k a week footballer (Maja) that the series should be about. It feels like it was cut like this because the source material was so thin.This and the Tiger King, where Carole Baskin claims the show was edited to sex up the ‘she killed her husband’ allegations, is not showing Netflix in a great light. Yes give film makers freedom but Netflix has a responsibility to hold those film makers to account before broadcast.0 -
Watched the 1st 5 episodes last night.
Some things I found intresting/revealing/shocking.
The lady that works in the canteen is so fickle. She was gushing over Grayson, Coleman now the new guys. Every time had a dig at the previous people.
The season they were in the championship ALL the ticket money went in interest payments 🤯🤯🤯
The comment about "your club" and "his club" was spot on. Probably almost worthy of a thread on its own.
My mind was also taken back to posts on here during the January window relating to Grant/Maja and Grigg/Parker.
The club, and probably most similar size clubs including us, is an absolute basket case.2 -
It isn't just football. He came into it with an open goal truth, That was that Sunderland was not well run. The problem was he took that and blamed the wrong people and was a diversive character. He was diversive because he saw himself as the solution and all the existing staff as the problem. The people he was undermining and blaming were responsible for their individual roles, not the strategy the club employed and he could have united them. You saw the owner make a ridiculous decision in the transfer window that explained why these clubs fail more than the ticket sellers/marketing people.kafka said:
Where does football find such wankersRossman92 said:Big Matt Southall vibes coming from Methven2 -
Interesting and from conversations I had with staff down the years a lot would ring true with them.
Charlie Red Trousers the worst kind of boss. Slagging off staff but when the play off semi final tickets weren't selling had no ideas of his own, was asking the Comms guy to help him out and finally delegated it up to the owner.
The Managing Director got it right when he said the staff acted as they did because they'd never been trusted or allowed to make decisions so surprise, surprise they weren't x prepared/able to suddenly become creative decision makers. Classic theory X and Y if you want the management consultant bit (that will be £1,000 BTW).
I enjoyed it as a series.
Jealous of their offices and facilities, could empathise with the devotion and frustration of their fans, just like us, and the mental pressure in the players was highlighted well.
Icing on the cake that we featured in the last episode but watched it all.
Note to self: if you are ever in any, very very unlikely, decision making role at CAFC and you're asked to allow a behind the scenes documentry say "NO" and slam the phone down.8 -
Yes agreed and she was right! Total plumSillybilly said:Watched the first three episodes. The best bit so far is the focus on the Irish marketing girl who clearly thinks Methven is an utter prick.2 -
Actually finding it painful to watch on account of Methven. That he got to where he did was an absolute triumph of self-belief over ability. You can tell that he thinks he's the greatest living Englishman. These people always rise to the top.1
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my best mate is actually a sunderland fan, we normally text everyday, he didn't speak to me for about 2 weeks and yesterday said he felt like he was a bit depressed for the few months after. Think after a few horrible years of getting beaten everygame and then the season ending the way it did was really tough for them as a fanbase. Hard to take, but I'd rather they lost that way in the 94th minute than us!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not to mention it was their second Wembley defeat of the season.Garrymanilow said:
To be fair, no-one deserves to lose like that. It was one of the greatest moments in sport of my life, but I can't imagine what it must be like to be on the other end of it, having traveled all that way down to be in attendance. I'm fuming when we concede a last minute equaliser against Huddersfield on a Tuesday night and I'm sat on my sofa, I probably still wouldn't have recovered if we'd been on the receiving end of thispalarsehater said:straight to last episode - saw my flag
sunderland didnt think they deserved to lose that way - they created nothing and we scored there goal for them.
All that way to lose one final on penalties and the other in the 94th minute.
Was going to suggest a viewing party on Netlfix for the final episode!!0 -
Having now finished it I have to say the stuff our OS put out on Twitter was pretty classless to a group of working class football fans who deserve better. It also makes us look massively small time.Overall, a decent second series. Bet the producers are glad they didn’t get a third. Episodes 4, 5 and 6 on Corona Virus and FIFA battles.9
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The flip chart bloke was obsessing about the Dance of the Knights music, one of the staff mentioned the sound system. They were only a fag paper from promotion, the Maja/Grigg thing did for them.
Money in football has become obscene and corrupting.
Great club Sunderland, with great fans.3 -
No I don’t think there was any of this in season one. The series is built on finding ‘characters’ like other docs in this genre. Feels to me like they didn’t have enough from their rushes so built a story around Sophie.PragueAddick said:
Interesting post. Haven't watched it yet, but I will remember your point. Have to say I didn't recall anything like that in S1 though, and wonder if you did (if you have seen S1).Valley11 said:Haven’t finished it yet but I thought the stuff with Sophie the marketing woman was extremely poorly handled. I’m a TV producer who has made several documentaries over the years and the way this was edited, and the focus on her as a dud, insolent employee, was appalling.Remember this is a single mum who presumably lives in the area and will be looking for another job, not a £50k a week footballer (Maja) that the series should be about. It feels like it was cut like this because the source material was so thin.This and the Tiger King, where Carole Baskin claims the show was edited to sex up the ‘she killed her husband’ allegations, is not showing Netflix in a great light. Yes give film makers freedom but Netflix has a responsibility to hold those film makers to account before broadcast.They would no doubt argue letting her go highlighted Charlie’s new broom philosophy. But some of the cutaways (Sophie tutting at a meeting, her saying 40,000 wasn’t achievable) paints her in a really bad light and could affect her career and life outside of a six part documentary. That’s irresponsible film making in my view.3 -
I really wouldn’t read into it that much. It’s all part of the game and a large part of how social media works. It’s OK to have a bit of fun sometimes.Valley11 said:Having now finished it I have to say the stuff our OS put out on Twitter was pretty classless to a group of working class football fans who deserve better. It also makes us look massively small time.
Any club up and down the country, whether you’re Man City or Stevenage, would have fun with it in the same way and you can bet your bottom dollar Sunderland would too if the shoe was on the other foot.
In the same breath, if and when they win promotion back to the Championship, we would be the first club to send our congratulations via social media.28 -
I think Stewart Donald comes across as a nice bloke, but Charlie Methven is Southall levels of slimy. The stuff with the PA system and walkout music is pure Brent1
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Oh and the Irish Marketing lady is an absolute worldie!0
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As much of a complete bell end he was/is, Methven did get it right at half-time of the final when he said you can't sit back and defend for 90 minutes after getting a gift of a goal after 5 and expect to win.8
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Yes, the only one that seemed to have missed that was Ross. Ross came over as a better manager than I thought he was, but he was too sacred to lose. The big error was not keeping Maya - they could have let his contract run out, but they clearly thought they could replace him and it proved to be an expensive mistake.Chef_addick said:As much of a complete bell end he was/is, Methven did get it right at half-time of the final when he said you can't sit back and defend for 90 minutes after getting a gift of a goal after 5 and expect to win.0 -
Methven would suit working at Palace. His flash ways and arrogance would go down a treat5
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Binged the whole series today whilst working, thoroughly enjoyed the ending i must say! Donald seemed to be a football fan who made some money and tried to live the dream, which you can't fault him for, however his number 2 Charlie if i remember correctly, what an arrogant prick he is. If only the highs of last may still existed right now.0
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This got to me as well, felt really bad and strange that we were celebrating whilst they were going through those emotions...stackitsteve said:Since series 2 was announced I’d always planned to just watch the last episode, up until this afternoon when I decided to watch from the beginning instead. I really felt for the fans at the end, not that I’d change a single second about that day. But “why is it never us celebrating” got me.
the only time I agreed with Brent was when he and the owner were doing the podcast and the interviewer wouldn’t let the point about Grigg not fitting the system go. Methven jumped in and said there are plenty of other questions to ask etc.
and despite watching THAT goal 500+ times, even tonight, my heart was still racing as Cullen dug out that cross.
Although a comment on twitter was pretty spot on
In the last 20-years they've spent the majority of their time in the Premier League, there are a lot more clubs who deserve to say: "Why is it never us"5 -
I felt the same about the Sophie stuff. She did come across as a bit insolent, but fuck me, who wouldn’t be pissed off working for that bellend. And that’s before you even think about how they edited it.Valley11 said:Haven’t finished it yet but I thought the stuff with Sophie the marketing woman was extremely poorly handled. I’m a TV producer who has made several documentaries over the years and the way this was edited, and the focus on her as a dud, insolent employee, was appalling.Remember this is a single mum who presumably lives in the area and will be looking for another job, not a £50k a week footballer (Maja) that the series should be about. It feels like it was cut like this because the source material was so thin.This and the Tiger King, where Carole Baskin claims the show was edited to sex up the ‘she killed her husband’ allegations, is not showing Netflix in a great light. Yes give film makers freedom but Netflix has a responsibility to hold those film makers to account before broadcast.
Also, what was the deal with the Boxing Day attendance? They were going on about aiming for 40,000 - then they looked like falling short, (at this point I was a bit distracted by other stuff, so not really focused on the programme and might’ve missed something), then RedTrousers started bellowing at Sophie about “I DON’T CARE! I’M NOT A CORPORATION! I’LL SAY IT’S 40, 41, 42, UP TO 46,000” or something. Then they announced 46,039.
So did they pull it out of the bag or was he just lying?3 -
I felt bad seeing it from their perspective, but they would have celebrated had they won. The important thing is to have the class not to want to rub it in.1
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The owners didn't take too kindly to they were working with did they?
Then made a few errors of their own.
Surprised Ross lasted so long as he did after the criticism they gave him after the final .
Not so much input from the players this time.
We had Luke O'Nien with us as a kid and he came across well then too,9 -
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Don't think I could bring myself to watch this if we had lost2
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Just watched episode 2, interesting the discussion about Maja, his contract and his agent (same as Aribo's) i'm sure you could cross reference those discussions to the Joe Aribo thread on here and find a very similar detailed discussion.2
