From the NW it looked to me as though Taylor fouled the goalie before the disallowed goal, stupidly, since he had just been warned by the ref about obstructing him. Otherwise the goal would have stood, the goalie would not have stopped it, and there would have been none of the other shenanigans.
Yesterday's game brought back memories of the game against Coventry at The Valley back in 1967. The two main differences are that Coventry played like Accrington for the full 90 minutes, and the Charlton side back then just rolled over - unlike Bowyer's Charlton who give as good as they get.
Surely deliberately standing in someone's way while not attempting to play the ball is almost the definition of "obstruction".
If the offender is not even looking at towards the corner flag and cannot therefore be attempting to play the ball, an offence is already being committed.
In this case I think the ref is correct to blow his whistle as soon as the corner is taken no matter what happens afterwards.
I thought Bowyer was playing games saying neither player should have gone. Basically sending a I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine to Stanley.
Taylor blocks their keeper, it's a foul.
Sarr is so much better "used to shite, now he's alright" is about right. He isn't the disaster waiting to happen (when some were still blind to his many errors and labelled any criticism racism) but he still shanks clearances and he got caught a couple of times yesterday trying to turn out of trouble. Once the guy was on the ground and still got up and ran away from Sarr. And for his height he sometimes doesn't time his jumps well and so doesn't get much distance on headed clearances.
But he's doing well as a ok third level centre back do good luck to him.
Surely deliberately standing in someone's way while not attempting to play the ball is almost the definition of "obstruction".
If the offender is not even looking at towards the corner flag and cannot therefore be attempting to play the ball, an offence is already being committed.
In this case I think the ref is correct to blow his whistle as soon as the corner is taken no matter what happens afterwards.
If Taylor moves around to stay in the 'keeper's way then that would be obstruction and a free-kick against him would be justified.
Just because the 'keeper decides to move doesn't mean that Taylor has to be a gentleman and make way for him. He commits no offence by taking up his preferred position before the ball is played in and then he does nothing. It's the 'keeper's problem if he doesn't have a clear path to the ball.
Yesterday's game brought back memories of the game against Coventry at The Valley back in 1967. The two main differences are that Coventry played like Accrington for the full 90 minutes, and the Charlton side back then just rolled over - unlike Bowyer's Charlton who give as good as they get.
Dirtiest game I have ever seen was V Coventry City at The Valley 1967..... how that ended up with them having 11 on the pitch will remain one of life’s enduring mysteries. George Curtis......what an utter dog and his snidely crafty little lap poodle Brian Lewis wearing the 7 shirt deserved a fucking good hiding.
From the NW it looked to me as though Taylor fouled the goalie before the disallowed goal, stupidly, since he had just been warned by the ref about obstructing him. Otherwise the goal would have stood, the goalie would not have stopped it, and there would have been none of the other shenanigans.
Taylor was totally fouling the keeper pulling him back from behind and that’s why the goal was disallowed. Would have been a harsh yellow on Taylor.
The keeper and Taylor ended on the floor, the keeper got up and Taylor got kicked and stamped on by at least 2 of their players.
Accrington has always players should have been sent off for getting in the Lino’s face like that after the penalty award.
Would love to see the footage from the tunnel cam from after the game but I’m guessing we won’t, club officials after the game very tight lipped about that one.
Lot of talk on here about Taylor kicking out. Wasnt there but from all of the photos and video I have seen when he is on the floor there appears to be an attempt by him to roll over to get back up. In that motion his boot appears to graze (not kick) the goalkèpers thigh. Had he kicked the goalkeeper then the keeper would have been in the same pain as Beilik was just before full time. The keeper reacts as do his team mates (in particular both their 14 and15) as though a man lying on his back on the ground had lashed out. No sign of that from what I can see just an aþempt by Taylor to recover his equilibrium. If as some have said he made a back for the keeper, again not clear, then that would be yellow card.
Not there but feel that there are grounds for an appeal. The penalty was rightly given by the assistant because the player is moving his arm into a positio n where the ball struck it. If he hadnt moved his arm it would not havehit it. Definite hand to ball.
Surely deliberately standing in someone's way while not attempting to play the ball is almost the definition of "obstruction".
If the offender is not even looking at towards the corner flag and cannot therefore be attempting to play the ball, an offence is already being committed.
In this case I think the ref is correct to blow his whistle as soon as the corner is taken no matter what happens afterwards.
You can stand where you like can’t you, at a corner? There’s no rule to say you have get out of someone’s way as far as I know.
People are saying he ‘made a back for the keeper’, but I’ve never heard of that. Could someone expand on that please?
Yesterday's game brought back memories of the game against Coventry at The Valley back in 1967. The two main differences are that Coventry played like Accrington for the full 90 minutes, and the Charlton side back then just rolled over - unlike Bowyer's Charlton who give as good as they get.
Dirtiest game I have ever seen was V Coventry City at The Valley 1967..... how that ended up with them having 11 on the pitch will remain one of life’s enduring mysteries. George Curtis......what an utter dog and his snidely crafty little lap poodle Brian Lewis wearing the 7 shirt deserved a fucking good hiding.
I was at that game .. Coventry under Jimmy (the chin) Hill, that erudite advocate of pure flowing football ((:>) .. Curtis was the object of a discussion on here years ago .. he is from Kent, an ex coal miner, one that got away .. I was behind the goal when Curtis collided full on head first into the goal post .. the noise of the collision reverberated all round the Valley .. Curtis just got up, shook his shaven head and carried on .. tough old boy as well as a dirty fecker
I thought Bowyer was playing games saying neither player should have gone. Basically sending a I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine to Stanley.
Taylor blocks their keeper, it's a foul.
Sarr is so much better "used to shite, now he's alright" is about right. He isn't the disaster waiting to happen (when some were still blind to his many errors and labelled any criticism racism) but he still shanks clearances and he got caught a couple of times yesterday trying to turn out of trouble. Once the guy was on the ground and still got up and ran away from Sarr. And for his height he sometimes doesn't time his jumps well and so doesn't get much distance on headed clearances.
But he's doing well as a ok third level centre back do good luck to him.
That’s what you call damned with faint praise. Accept a hero when one comes along Henners!
My first game in ages (understatement). I enjoyed myself. Charlton played some nice football, final ball was a bit lacklustre but there wasn’t always a lot in the box to aim at. Finishing was pretty poor as well. Not a lot of shots on target.
Accrington were organised and did well to provide limited room for us to play. Looked like they were tiring in. The last twenty minutes and sank back into their half a lot more.
The last 10minutes livened a game that was fizzling out. No idea what started the melee but saw at least two Accrington players kicking out at the player on the ground (their #15 most clearly). Sadly the ref took the traditional referee view and sent one of each off and hoped that would be the end of it.
The penalty looked like handball from the west upper where we were sat but was surprised when it was give. After a fair delay.
The actions after that were handled woefully by the ref, although if he felt that he only gave it in the assistants say so that might explain the lenient. Their number three probably did enough to be sent off two or three times between then and disappearing down the tunnel.
The team are definitely that looking st how they defended each other at the end.
The pitch invasion bit is obviously to be frowned upon, but actually bollocks to it. Everyone was having fun at that end of the pitch, we might as well take advantage of the low stewarding budget while we can. That said the guy left wandering the penalty area after the final whistle should have been moved on well before given the animosity on show between the two sides at that point.
I suspect there will be fines galore for both teams in the next week or two.
From the NW it looked to me as though Taylor fouled the goalie before the disallowed goal, stupidly, since he had just been warned by the ref about obstructing him. Otherwise the goal would have stood, the goalie would not have stopped it, and there would have been none of the other shenanigans.
Taylor was totally fouling the keeper pulling him back from behind and that’s why the goal was disallowed. Would have been a harsh yellow on Taylor.
The keeper and Taylor ended on the floor, the keeper got up and Taylor got kicked and stamped on by at least 2 of their players.
Accrington has always players should have been sent off for getting in the Lino’s face like that after the penalty award.
Would love to see the footage from the tunnel cam from after the game but I’m guessing we won’t, club officials after the game very tight lipped about that one.
That is not a player pulling a goalkeeper back from behind.
However, as he keeps getting penalised for what he does, maybe it’s time to try a different tactic at corners?
Learn the (newish) rules @golfaddick- if a player requires treatment after a FOUL, he no longer has to leave the pitch.
After a booking
Laws not rules Henry !! :-)
But you are right, an injured player does not need to leave the pitch following injury in where the aggressor was either cautioned or sent off; unless the treatment length is likely to unduly delay the restart of the game. Law change 2 years ago.
That last bit is daft, as the delay is nearly always BEFORE the player might leave the pitch anyway. The whole law is a farce in this respect, as in practice it saves minimal time
I could have made my point better. The loint of that law is that the offended team is not punished twice; namely a bad foul on a player and then reduced to 10 (albeit for a short time) until parity of numbers is back in force.
Surely deliberately standing in someone's way while not attempting to play the ball is almost the definition of "obstruction".
If the offender is not even looking at towards the corner flag and cannot therefore be attempting to play the ball, an offence is already being committed.
In this case I think the ref is correct to blow his whistle as soon as the corner is taken no matter what happens afterwards.
The difference in the laws of the game between obstruction and shielding the ball is that the ball has to be in "playing distance" for the shielding etc to be invoked
From the NW it looked to me as though Taylor fouled the goalie before the disallowed goal, stupidly, since he had just been warned by the ref about obstructing him. Otherwise the goal would have stood, the goalie would not have stopped it, and there would have been none of the other shenanigans.
Taylor was totally fouling the keeper pulling him back from behind and that’s why the goal was disallowed. Would have been a harsh yellow on Taylor.
The keeper and Taylor ended on the floor, the keeper got up and Taylor got kicked and stamped on by at least 2 of their players.
Accrington has always players should have been sent off for getting in the Lino’s face like that after the penalty award.
Would love to see the footage from the tunnel cam from after the game but I’m guessing we won’t, club officials after the game very tight lipped about that one.
That is not a player pulling a goalkeeper back from behind.
However, as he keeps getting penalised for what he does, maybe it’s time to try a different tactic at corners?
We had a really good view from north Upper and just before the bball came in, Taylor was behind the keeper and pulling him back from behind. He released him and the keeper got close to the ball but would probably have been able to claim it if not for the foul.
Just watched it back. Never a penalty! Shocking decision tbf.
Why do you think no penalty?
Too close IMHO
I always say it's a pen if the oppo player stop the ball going to another player. If his arm wasn't in the way the ball would have either been on target or gone to a team mate. It's one we don't usually get but imo was the correct decision.
Also surprised the other incident that got my goat hasn't been mentioned......the injured player who after been treated by their physio didn't go off the pitch !! Ref was a complete numpty.
As for the rest of the game. Turgid. No real attacking threat apart from Taylor in the 15 mins before he was sent off. LB has the sending off & the penalty to save him from getting pelters this evening. Shocking performance all round.
Do you remember Morgan?
Young Albie who had a great 1st half against Sunderland was going to play according to Bowyer, which would have given the midfield a better balance, with two attacking players, Williams and Morgan, and two defensive midfielders.
Why Lee Bowyer should get pelters when he is faced with losing 2 players per match by injuries: Morgan in training and Taylor's Red card just a typical week at Cafc.
I understand slagging off is your raison d'etre but you are becoming predictable.
I'm not slagging anyone off......just pointing out that I think LB was wrong in playing 3 dm' s from the start. He did it at Coventry & Barnsley recently & we lost both games. I was at the Coventry game & we were awful 1st half, just like yesterday.
imo he should have started with Fosu instead of Prately yesterday......or why not even Marshall on the right, Fosu left, with Cullen & Beilik in the middle (or Williams instead of one of those 2)
I admit I'm not a tactical genius but I'm not the only one saying that Cullen, Pratley & Beliek is too defensive.....especially at home & esp against a team we need to be beating if we want promotion. Away at Pompey or Sunderland may be.....at home to AS (who are on a bad run of form) no.
We both agree that Fosu should have started as I said in the preview BUT the team we put out should have been good enough to beat a mid table side, but that was the first time that team had played together plus the amount of fouls commited by Stanley made it hard to get into any rhythm. Never have dirty northern bar stewards been so applicable. (Apologies to cafc northern bar stewards)
Bowyer and Jackson know who's fit to start and the sharpness shown in training.
If Taylor who had an erratic 2nd half had made better decisions we would have won 2 or 3 nil and the turgid 1st half would have been forgotten.
Absolutely a penalty. He had his arm out. Nowadays, it's plain that a penalty will be given in that situation. Defenders fault. He should know to keep his arm down when in that position. I'm not saying I would have agreed 20 years or so ago but, in today's letter of the law, that was a penalty and the defender only has himself to blame. 100 lines - "when in that situation, keep my arms down".
Regarding the Lyle red card. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough there for the decision to be reversed. Not easy to take as a lot was going on in there and, basically, it was handbags but I don't think it will be rescinded.
What I could see of the highlights (no iFollow yesterday), I thought Cullen was pulling the strings. Also, Reeves made a big impact when he came on.
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If the offender is not even looking at towards the corner flag and cannot therefore be attempting to play the ball, an offence is already being committed.
In this case I think the ref is correct to blow his whistle as soon as the corner is taken no matter what happens afterwards.
Taylor blocks their keeper, it's a foul.
Sarr is so much better "used to shite, now he's alright" is about right. He isn't the disaster waiting to happen (when some were still blind to his many errors and labelled any criticism racism) but he still shanks clearances and he got caught a couple of times yesterday trying to turn out of trouble. Once the guy was on the ground and still got up and ran away from Sarr. And for his height he sometimes doesn't time his jumps well and so doesn't get much distance on headed clearances.
But he's doing well as a ok third level centre back do good luck to him.
Just because the 'keeper decides to move doesn't mean that Taylor has to be a gentleman and make way for him. He commits no offence by taking up his preferred position before the ball is played in and then he does nothing. It's the 'keeper's problem if he doesn't have a clear path to the ball.
George Curtis......what an utter dog and his snidely crafty little lap poodle Brian Lewis wearing the 7 shirt deserved a fucking good hiding.
The keeper and Taylor ended on the floor, the keeper got up and Taylor got kicked and stamped on by at least 2 of their players.
Accrington has always players should have been sent off for getting in the Lino’s face like that after the penalty award.
Would love to see the footage from the tunnel cam from after the game but I’m guessing we won’t, club officials after the game very tight lipped about that one.
Not there but feel that there are grounds for an appeal. The penalty was rightly given by the assistant because the player is moving his arm into a positio n where the ball struck it. If he hadnt moved his arm it would not havehit it. Definite hand to ball.
People are saying he ‘made a back for the keeper’, but I’ve never heard of that. Could someone expand on that please?
Accept a hero when one comes along Henners!
Accrington were organised and did well to provide limited room for us to play. Looked like they were tiring in. The last twenty minutes and sank back into their half a lot more.
The last 10minutes livened a game that was fizzling out. No idea what started the melee but saw at least two Accrington players kicking out at the player on the ground (their #15 most clearly). Sadly the ref took the traditional referee view and sent one of each off and hoped that would be the end of it.
The penalty looked like handball from the west upper where we were sat but was surprised when it was give. After a fair delay.
The actions after that were handled woefully by the ref, although if he felt that he only gave it in the assistants say so that might explain the lenient. Their number three probably did enough to be sent off two or three times between then and disappearing down the tunnel.
The team are definitely that looking st how they defended each other at the end.
The pitch invasion bit is obviously to be frowned upon, but actually bollocks to it. Everyone was having fun at that end of the pitch, we might as well take advantage of the low stewarding budget while we can. That said the guy left wandering the penalty area after the final whistle should have been moved on well before given the animosity on show between the two sides at that point.
I suspect there will be fines galore for both teams in the next week or two.
However, as he keeps getting penalised for what he does, maybe it’s time to try a different tactic at corners?
That’s what we saw anyway.
Deliberately stamping on a player's head!? This bloke should be banned for months
Can't believe the media haven't caught onto it
Never have dirty northern bar stewards been so applicable. (Apologies to cafc northern bar stewards)
Bowyer and Jackson know who's fit to start and the sharpness shown in training.
If Taylor who had an erratic 2nd half had made better decisions we would have won 2 or 3 nil and the turgid 1st half would have been forgotten.
Regarding the Lyle red card. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough there for the decision to be reversed. Not easy to take as a lot was going on in there and, basically, it was handbags but I don't think it will be rescinded.
What I could see of the highlights (no iFollow yesterday), I thought Cullen was pulling the strings. Also, Reeves made a big impact when he came on.
Three points. YES!! COYR!!