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Post Match Views: Charlton v Accrington: 19 January 2019.
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Because of the distance / angle its difficult to tellMuttleyCAFC said:
Did the jab make contact?RedChaser said:
It's all the same event Prague which started with Taylor making a back for the keeper as the corner came in, both of then falling to the floor in a tangle, Taylor having a little jab out with his foot and then their players surrounding him in the melee. The referees report will be crucial as to what actions were deemed to be sending off offences.PragueAddick said:
So I'm confused, cos earlier you wroteForeverAddickted said:
Nope its the same corner... 'keeper throws Taylor to the floor (that was probably his red); Taylor kicks backPragueAddick said:
But it's a different incident, surely?cantersaddick said:
Unfortunately I spotted this too. Think it'll stand.ForeverAddickted said:
Off the back of this around 1:38 there does appear to be a small slight kick out from TaylorForeverAddickted said:
Dont see that red card being taken away
Off the back of this around 1:38 there does appear to be a small slight kick out from Taylor
Dont see that red card being taken away
Which I can see, but it's a different event, they can't use that against Taylor. If you can also see a kick from Taylor in that melee, your eyes are better than mine - which nowadays is sadly perfectly possible
Hopefully not as that should see the card rescinded0 -
I agree, but if it was a little pokey one that I still haven't seen in all honesty, it may be able to be passed off as something else.RedChaser said:
Does it have to? If you swing a punch and miss isn't that violent conduct?MuttleyCAFC said:
Did the jab make contact?RedChaser said:
It's all the same event Prague which started with Taylor making a back for the keeper as the corner came in, both of then falling to the floor in a tangle, Taylor having a little jab out with his foot and then their players surrounding him in the melee. The referees report will be crucial as to what actions were deemed to be sending off offences.PragueAddick said:
So I'm confused, cos earlier you wroteForeverAddickted said:
Nope its the same corner... 'keeper throws Taylor to the floor (that was probably his red); Taylor kicks backPragueAddick said:
But it's a different incident, surely?cantersaddick said:
Unfortunately I spotted this too. Think it'll stand.ForeverAddickted said:
Off the back of this around 1:38 there does appear to be a small slight kick out from TaylorForeverAddickted said:
Dont see that red card being taken away
Off the back of this around 1:38 there does appear to be a small slight kick out from Taylor
Dont see that red card being taken away
Which I can see, but it's a different event, they can't use that against Taylor. If you can also see a kick from Taylor in that melee, your eyes are better than mine - which nowadays is sadly perfectly possible1 -
Sadly it won’t be rescinded, and Taylor will be a big loss over the next few games. I get that being a bit of a wind up is clearly part of his make up, but these flash points at corners around the keeper have been an incident waiting to happen for a couple of months.
Regardless of what happened today, I’m not sure they help us as too often it results in a free kick to the oppo17 -
MuttleyCAFC said:
That will be the defence I imagine if that was the reason for the sending off.Oggy Red said:
And if you're lying on your back, getting a kicking - then you're going to raise your arms and legs to protect yourself?ForeverAddickted said:
As @RedChaser says its more of a David Beckham '98 kick but he did lash out after being thrown to the floorPragueAddick said:
What kick??? The "kick" you told us to look out for in the Sky vid?ForeverAddickted said:
Probably why they're both sent off then rather than just Taylor for the kickOggy Red said:
In the sending off incident, watch their keeper again.ForeverAddickted said:
From the corner, Taylor makes a back for the keeper .... but straightaway you can hear the ref blow for a foul.
Taylor falls to the ground, with the keeper falling on top of him.
The game has been stopped before the keeper picks himself up, and as Taylor is getting up, the keeper steps back towards Taylor and pushes him to the ground.
The ruck starts after that.
I terms of Stanley, they worked incredibly hard to frustrate us which probably contributed to their behaviour. But they were lucky not to have four or five sent off on the day to be fair.
4 or 5 players sent off?
You can't play a League match with a team of less than 7 players.
Which means the game would have been abandoned.
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Trouble is if you take that element of niggle from his game you might not have the same player.AFKABartram said:Sadly it won’t be rescinded, and Taylor will be a big loss over the next few games. I get that being a bit of a wind up is clearly part of his make up, but these flash points at corners around the keeper have been an incident waiting to happen for a couple of months.
Regardless of what happened today, I’m not sure they help us as too often it results in a free kick to the oppo4 -
If a player deserves to get sent off he deserves to get sent off. I was referring to the 14 and 15 and then the behaviour of a number of players after the penalty. I think you can easily make an argument that four or five deserved to go. Surely, how many is needed to play a match is irrelevant in relation to that point.Oggy Red said:MuttleyCAFC said:
That will be the defence I imagine if that was the reason for the sending off.Oggy Red said:
And if you're lying on your back, getting a kicking - then you're going to raise your arms and legs to protect yourself?ForeverAddickted said:
As @RedChaser says its more of a David Beckham '98 kick but he did lash out after being thrown to the floorPragueAddick said:
What kick??? The "kick" you told us to look out for in the Sky vid?ForeverAddickted said:
Probably why they're both sent off then rather than just Taylor for the kickOggy Red said:
In the sending off incident, watch their keeper again.ForeverAddickted said:
From the corner, Taylor makes a back for the keeper .... but straightaway you can hear the ref blow for a foul.
Taylor falls to the ground, with the keeper falling on top of him.
The game has been stopped before the keeper picks himself up, and as Taylor is getting up, the keeper steps back towards Taylor and pushes him to the ground.
The ruck starts after that.
I terms of Stanley, they worked incredibly hard to frustrate us which probably contributed to their behaviour. But they were lucky not to have four or five sent off on the day to be fair.
4 or 5 players sent off?
You can't play a League match with a team of less than 7 players.
Which means the game would have been abandoned.3 -
If its not rescinded Id love to know the reasons why (If Charlton are given one) - If its for a kick then its stupid because Taylor's ability to wind up the opposition is great at times (i.e. Sunderland when he played hide and seek) and clearly worked today because he got the Goalkeeper sent off.
His own bit of frustration which is probably from the fact he's always being fouled himself was needless and could have been avoided had he just curled straight up thinking: Great I've hopefully given us an man advantage.
Would be a carbon copy of Fosu's red @ Southend, there was no need for him to react either because the opposition had already dug themselves a big enough hole0 -
Taylor uses his strength very well. I do think what he does with keepers is valid, but most refs protect keepers a bit too much. That is the game as it is and they do it for all keepers, including ours.2
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Thought we was poor pedestrian a midfield of Cullen belick and prattley all too similar. Moved the ball to slow similar to 1st half Sunderland.
Got out of jail today.
We can moan about the opposition being cynical but i would hope we would have a bit more guile to open them up which I can’t see we did
The importance of Phillips Late 1st half will tell at the end of season.
Still to not really play and still win is a mark of a team that digs deep even when it’s not there day1 -
I'm not doubting your point that 4 or 5 deserved to go, Muttley.MuttleyCAFC said:
If a player deserves to get sent off he deserves to get sent off. I was referring to the 14 and 15 and then the behaviour of a number of players after the penalty. I think you can easily make an argument that four or five deserved to go. Surely, how many is needed to play a match is irrelevant in relation to that point.Oggy Red said:MuttleyCAFC said:
That will be the defence I imagine if that was the reason for the sending off.Oggy Red said:
And if you're lying on your back, getting a kicking - then you're going to raise your arms and legs to protect yourself?ForeverAddickted said:
As @RedChaser says its more of a David Beckham '98 kick but he did lash out after being thrown to the floorPragueAddick said:
What kick??? The "kick" you told us to look out for in the Sky vid?ForeverAddickted said:
Probably why they're both sent off then rather than just Taylor for the kickOggy Red said:
In the sending off incident, watch their keeper again.ForeverAddickted said:
From the corner, Taylor makes a back for the keeper .... but straightaway you can hear the ref blow for a foul.
Taylor falls to the ground, with the keeper falling on top of him.
The game has been stopped before the keeper picks himself up, and as Taylor is getting up, the keeper steps back towards Taylor and pushes him to the ground.
The ruck starts after that.
I terms of Stanley, they worked incredibly hard to frustrate us which probably contributed to their behaviour. But they were lucky not to have four or five sent off on the day to be fair.
4 or 5 players sent off?
You can't play a League match with a team of less than 7 players.
Which means the game would have been abandoned.
Just saying that the Laws of the game state that 7 is the minimum number of players in a team at any given point during the game.
Less than 7 players in one team and the game must be abandoned.
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At home you have to do a bit more sometimes. Away from home you can get away with it, but Stanley defended well and they worked as hard as they probably have all season to press us. I have seen teams do this for a while, but generally they can't keep it up. I do think towards the end they were starting to get tired and we may have scored without the incidents.
I thought the sendings off took longer than the time the ref added on. It worked in our favour today, as it gave them less time to get back in it, but I do wonder how the ref didn't add at least 7 or 8 minutes.7 -
You get penalties like that, in games like that when you're kicking the right way!0
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Lee Bowyer explains that Morgan would have started if he didn't get injured in training. This would have given a better balance with both Morgan and Williams assisting Grant and Taylor in advanced positions. Cullen, Bielik, Williams and even Pratley did Fine but the shape didn't quite work and we didn't create enough with two holding players at home.3
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BBC live text says the game ended in the 97th minMuttleyCAFC said:At home you have to do a bit more sometimes. Away from home you can get away with it, but Stanley defended well and they worked as hard as they probably have all season to press us. I have seen teams do this for a while, but generally they can't keep it up. I do think towards the end they were starting to get tired and we may have scored without the incidents.
I thought the sendings off took longer than the time the ref added on. It worked in our favour today, as it gave them less time to get back in it, but I do wonder how the ref didn't add at least 7 or 8 minutes.
Going by twitter it seems as though the incident happened in the 80th min with play restarting on 83mins so five mins was probably right when you take into account our two subs (theirs came during the sendings off); twitter then shows the penalty being awarded in the 92min with Grant scoring a minute later (that felt longer to sort out) so guess the 7mins in total called by the BBC was probably the correct amount of time0 -
Well luckily I'm not & I don't care...Cmon U Addicks...!!!cafcnick1992 said:Just watched it back. Never a penalty! Shocking decision tbf.
I can't believe how many people on here think it was obvious. It was obviously not. How can you take your arm away from the ball when it is smacked at you from 4 yards away?
I'm obviously delighted that we won, but you would be absolutely fuming if you were you a Stanley fan.0 -
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Was a penalty, ask the limo.cafcnick1992 said:Just watched it back. Never a penalty! Shocking decision tbf.
I can't believe how many people on here think it was obvious. It was obviously not. How can you take your arm away from the ball when it is smacked at you from 4 yards away?
I'm obviously delighted that we won, but you would be absolutely fuming if you were you a Stanley fan.
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Not to keep Bielik's Bullocks the center of the conversation, but he is doing fine lmao7
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Nothing like the feeling of being back out there 😀 Good win for us and now onto next week! Thanks to our fans for the support and keeping us going right until the end 🙌🏼 #CAFC
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What a game from the lads today. Hard fought victory. What footballs all about. Stadium erupted when @karlangrant scored 🙌🏻 love it!!!! 🔴⚪️ #CAFC #Coyr #ontothenextone #together #fightingspirit 💪🏻9 -
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What a day in the office!
3 points ✅
Clean sheet ✅
The Valley rocking ✅
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Thanks for your support! 🔴⚪️ #CAFC #COYR
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You’re not expected to take your arm away. You’re expected to not to have your arms up in the box like that in the first place. Otherwise any time someone shoots you could just block it with your arms or hands if you’re close enough to them to claim you couldn’t take your hand away. I think that’s why they interpret the rule as they do. Arms up in an unnatural position is the key. And his was up.cafcnick1992 said:Just watched it back. Never a penalty! Shocking decision tbf.
I can't believe how many people on here think it was obvious. It was obviously not. How can you take your arm away from the ball when it is smacked at you from 4 yards away?
I'm obviously delighted that we won, but you would be absolutely fuming if you were you a Stanley fan.15 -
Just watched the Sky match highlights video again:
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/league-one/11612171/charlton-1-0-accrington
The Stanley coach interviewed claimed the ref told him, "it wasn't a penalty", but ...... watch the video:
As the Stanley defender hoofed the ball clear, you can hear the referee blowing his whistle, before clearly pointing to the spot.
He made that decision, perhaps on seeing the lino's flag ..... but before any consultation with the lino.
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Never a sending off for either , number 14 deserved the card
Never a pen for me and if given against us I’d be fuming
However I will take 3 point no matter how they come and the fact that acrington acted the way they did I am well happy we took them3 -
I had a deja-vu moment - the light blue shirts and black shorts, the abuse and hounding of the officials and the violent conduct took me momentarily back to Eng vs Arg 1966. One way or another justice was done then, as indeed eventually it was today.
What spirit we have in this group - never better!! So proud of these true Addicks.6 -
Reeves was absolutely incredible today, the exact impact a sub should try and have! You just knew the ref was gonna give a foul at the corner after speaking to Taylor, he literally did nothing wrong and the ref ruled out a perfectly good goal! The Stanley no.3 was an absolute C U Next Tuesday! How he didn’t get sent off for screaming at the lino I do not know! COYA!!!! We’re on our wayyyyy3
