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Post Match Views: Charlton v Accrington: 19 January 2019.
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Surely not?paulie8290 said:
You related to Sam Bartram??JamesSeed said:First time Upper North today. Loved it.
Got goosebumps when the choir sang the Olé song that mentions a certain relative that I barely mention. Son said it was the most exciting game he’s been to.
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Steve White?JamesSeed said:First time Upper North today. Loved it.
Got goosebumps when the choir sang the Olé song that mentions a certain relative that I barely mention. Son said it was the most exciting game he’s been to.1 -
Nooo... Gotta be Chris Powell?paulie8290 said:
You related to Sam Bartram??JamesSeed said:First time Upper North today. Loved it.
Got goosebumps when the choir sang the Olé song that mentions a certain relative that I barely mention. Son said it was the most exciting game he’s been to.1 -
If you shove your arms into a position where they can block the ball it doesn’t matter how far away you are from the guy kicking it, it’s seen as an unnatural position, and it should be given. Penalty for sure I think?MuttleyCAFC said:
I think it was a poor choice of words if he did, but of course, if he didn't give the penalty, he clearly didn't think it was one! He should have said that his assistant had a clear view and felt it definitely was which he was happy to go along with. I would be upset though, as I think it is a matter of interpretation, and if the ref saw it and thought it wasn't, why did he think it wasn't? What did his assistant see that was different.paulie8290 said:
I thought that, there is no way a ref would say to assistant or coach whatever he is that he didnt think it was a pen.JamesSeed said:
I wonder if the ref really said that. I suspect he’s more likely to have said he didn’t see it. If he genuinely didn’t think it was a penalty he would have over-ruled the Lino wouldn’t he?Weegie Addick said:
Are coaches usually on first name terms with the ref?Off_it said:
Who'd have thought it, a whining scouser.cafcsinger said:
Personally, I think it was a 70:30 not a penalty. The hand was a bit high and moved to the ball, but the proximity to Reeves and the pace of the ball would have given the defender the benefit of the doubt for me. It does make Lineker's suggestion that any hand ball in the box should be a penalty seem compelling. Under the current rules, the ball clearly hit the defender's arm and a judgement then has to be made, not about that fact, but an estimate of what was in the defender's mind!7 -
During THAT incident, great footage of Bauer taking charge.JiMMy 85 said:
The Taylor Aftermath - https://streamable.com/b3e0f
You don't argue with Pat.
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You’ll have to wait for the book to find out the truth about Sam. ;-)paulie8290 said:
You related to Sam Bartram??JamesSeed said:First time Upper North today. Loved it.
Got goosebumps when the choir sang the Olé song that mentions a certain relative that I barely mention. Son said it was the most exciting game he’s been to.0 -
Oh boo hoo hoo. Get over it dickhead. Their bench spent the entire 90 minutes harassing the 4th official. Fuck ‘em. All very lovely defending and plucky little club etc but it was a blatant pen and well done the linesman for giving it.CAFCOlly said:15 -
Yes, if the official feels it is unnatural. To be fair, you do see some players defend that sort of ball with their hands behind their backs. I still maintain there is a judgement and I wouldn't have given it if I was neutral. But I can see why it was given.JamesSeed said:
If you shove your arms into a position where they can block the ball it doesn’t matter how far away you are from the guy kicking it, it’s seen as an unnatural position, and it should be given. Penalty for sure I think?MuttleyCAFC said:
I think it was a poor choice of words if he did, but of course, if he didn't give the penalty, he clearly didn't think it was one! He should have said that his assistant had a clear view and felt it definitely was which he was happy to go along with. I would be upset though, as I think it is a matter of interpretation, and if the ref saw it and thought it wasn't, why did he think it wasn't? What did his assistant see that was different.paulie8290 said:
I thought that, there is no way a ref would say to assistant or coach whatever he is that he didnt think it was a pen.JamesSeed said:
I wonder if the ref really said that. I suspect he’s more likely to have said he didn’t see it. If he genuinely didn’t think it was a penalty he would have over-ruled the Lino wouldn’t he?Weegie Addick said:
Are coaches usually on first name terms with the ref?Off_it said:
Who'd have thought it, a whining scouser.cafcsinger said:
Personally, I think it was a 70:30 not a penalty. The hand was a bit high and moved to the ball, but the proximity to Reeves and the pace of the ball would have given the defender the benefit of the doubt for me. It does make Lineker's suggestion that any hand ball in the box should be a penalty seem compelling. Under the current rules, the ball clearly hit the defender's arm and a judgement then has to be made, not about that fact, but an estimate of what was in the defender's mind!2 -
It happens all the time in football of all leagues where the assistant awards penalties, as he may have seen something the ref didn't from a different angle. Its like this is the first time its ever happened in his eyes. If the lino is adamant the ref will give it.cafcsinger said:4 -
What an absolutely bloody marvellous end to the game !
An injury time penalty, Solly 'protecting' the lino from the Northern beasts, the Nabster winding up the oppo (mockingly, with his hands behind back) - and then escorting little Jonny safely off - and Lee Bowyer giving it large at the final whistle. I also loved Dillon Phillips' passion at the final whistle. As my son commented as Dillon ran the length of the pitch and embraced Karlan at the end, these lads have been playing together from the age of 9 or 10. You could see what that victory meant.
As to the game itself, the two best (and only meaningful) saves came from Dillon, the first of which was outstanding and pivotal to the outcome of this game. We struggled to break Accrington down and the highlight of the first half was Naby's short/long throw, which brought the house down. What a man.
We were much better in the second half, as we patiently probed for an opening and the introduction of Reeves and his range of passing made a big difference. Hats off also to Josh Cullen, who I thought was excellent throughout, especially after such a long time out. A player who truly takes care of the ball and is a hugely reassuring presence.
For my money, a draw would have been a fair result, although there was no excuse for their players totally losing their shit at the end. We can only hope that the appeal against Lyle's dismissal is upheld. I couldn't really see what went on, although I suspect the lineman thought that Lyle jabbed his foot into the goalie when they were both on the ground. I am generally pessimistic about such appeals, but let's hope that this one succeeds, as we can't really afford to lose the best centre-forward in the division for the next three games.
On to Peterborough.8 -
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The fact is, if we had VAR, the decision would not have been overturned once it was made.1
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Noticed that Karlan is up to joint third in the scoring charts for League One; two behind John Marquis and one behind Josh Maja
Is level with Ian Henderson (Only player with more assists than him out of those mentioned) / James Colline and Tom Eaves2 -
It was a hand ball. A few years ago it might not have been given, but the game has changed. Just like the yellow card Cullen got today. For me it was a perfectly good tackle, but in the modern game it is seen as a foul and increasingly a yellow card by a lot of refs.cafcsinger said:0 -
There will be al, the prozone angles if the club release them.ShootersHillGuru said:Really can’t see Taylor getting his red card rescinded. Unless there’s a much better video than the Sky one I just don’t see it’s clear enough for the panel to rule against the referee.
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Once again thanks. For some reason I cant open the twitter videos so these are a real bonus. Cheers, really appreciated.JiMMy 85 said:Reposting this as I’ve added the remaining videos now I’m on WiFi.
Penalty - https://streamable.com/90e48
Handball - https://streamable.com/nhmfn
Save - https://streamable.com/7oegq
Deflected shot - https://streamable.com/w2owl
Shot dragged wide - https://streamable.com/hyvem
Taylor gets his red - https://streamable.com/91lds
The Taylor Aftermath - https://streamable.com/b3e0f
There’s a fan on the pitch - https://streamable.com/jtyq5
Soak up the atmosphere - https://streamable.com/vpkel2 -
I wonder what the referee assessor made of the officials performance today?
And the referee's own report should also make interesting reading.
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Unfortunately I spotted this too. Think it'll stand.ForeverAddickted said:
Off the back of this around 1:38 there does appear to be a small slight kick out from TaylorForeverAddickted said:
Dont see that red card being taken away2 -
If he did it, it will probably stand. I didn't see it.0
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I remember seeing Jonny Williams celebrating and one of their big Lumps stepped in To say something to him and then Naby Sarr turns up like the enforcer to stick up for Williams. Naby then gets quite animated at one the Accrington players ( the one who grabbed his genitals in front of the East stand as some sort of gesture of toughness ) who must have said something quite bad to him as Naby was not a happy chappy at whatever was said.
Edit: the guy that half stamps on Taylors is definitely the one that was giving the beans to the East stand right near the end. What a pierce of shit.4 -
I do hope you’re right and stop calling me al.Kap10 said:
There will be al, the prozone angles if the club release them.ShootersHillGuru said:Really can’t see Taylor getting his red card rescinded. Unless there’s a much better video than the Sky one I just don’t see it’s clear enough for the panel to rule against the referee.
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As for the game, the first 85 minutes were dull and the last 10 were entertaining to say the least.0
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You Can Call Me AlShootersHillGuru said:
I do hope you’re right and stop calling me al.Kap10 said:
There will be al, the prozone angles if the club release them.ShootersHillGuru said:Really can’t see Taylor getting his red card rescinded. Unless there’s a much better video than the Sky one I just don’t see it’s clear enough for the panel to rule against the referee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA&start_radio=1&list=RDuq-gYOrU8bA
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ForeverAddickted said:
If the hand was down by his side more then I'd say the lack of distance between the two means its harshSpankie said:All that I would say is the Accrington player is near to Reeves but I would say the Accrington player is facing the Lino and partially turned away from the referee. I would say the lino has the better view of it. Still quite fortunate.
The fact its out stretched means its the Accrington idiot's own fault - You take a risk having your arm out like that, he paid the ultimate price for it!!Wheresmeticket? said:Had a look at one of the AS fans forums. They seem to think we play dirty.
Nardiello was an angel compared to their number 3 - who I think was also debating matters with the crowd, which I thought was an automatic yellow.ForeverAddickted said:
Reminded me of when we played Exeter in our promotion season... Nardiello thought the ball was over the line, went ballistic at the linesman (less so than any Accrington player today) and was promptly sent offMuttleyCAFC said:I don't think the ref backed up his assistant very well after that decision. A few of their players completely lost it with him and he needed to act to warn them off.
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Superb photosam3110 said:Love this
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Their 14 runs 10 yds to rake his studs down taylors head whilst on floor, he then goads him as he walks off, hope EFL review that.
Already booked at time.4 -
Wasn’t there and PWR any of this thread but I’m happy Bowyer stuck by Phillips, as he should, and continue to until his form dips. I’m sure it will boost Dillon’s confidence too and that can only be good for the Club, hopefully in the long term too.4
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Just watched it back. Never a penalty! Shocking decision tbf.
I can't believe how many people on here think it was obvious. It was obviously not. How can you take your arm away from the ball when it is smacked at you from 4 yards away?
I'm obviously delighted that we won, but you would be absolutely fuming if you were you a Stanley fan.5 -
"ha ha. Accies in the tunnel... bring it on now then"sam3110 said:Love this
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Why do you think no penalty?cafcnick1992 said:Just watched it back. Never a penalty! Shocking decision tbf.
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