I think he is the sort of player that you could push up a few levels by working hard on his weaknesses. He definitely has some high end strengths for me. I would imagine the size of is current contract only matters if there are clubs out there willing to match it. What you have to do if you want him, is to match the value others put on him now.
I think he is the sort of player that you could push up a few levels by working hard on his weaknesses. He definitely has some high end strengths for me. I would imagine the size of is current contract only matters if there are clubs out there willing to match it. What you have to do if you want him, is to match the value others put on him now.
Four and a half years he's had to work on his weaknesses.
Yes, and the question has to be can you sort them out? I think they can be sorted out to an extent by drilling some rules into him. What you can't give him is pace, but I think you can work around that using the other defenders. It would require a decision to build the defence around him at some point and see that as a project. I doubt that will happen here but wouldn't be surprised when we see him doing well at a higher level.
I think he is the sort of player that you could push up a few levels by working hard on his weaknesses. He definitely has some high end strengths for me. I would imagine the size of is current contract only matters if there are clubs out there willing to match it. What you have to do if you want him, is to match the value others put on him now.
Four and a half years he's had to work on his weaknesses.
I think he is the sort of player that you could push up a few levels by working hard on his weaknesses. He definitely has some high end strengths for me. I would imagine the size of is current contract only matters if there are clubs out there willing to match it. What you have to do if you want him, is to match the value others put on him now.
Four and a half years he's had to work on his weaknesses.
During a turbulent period, working under some of the worst managers this club has ever seen and whilst being just 21/22 at the time. He's developed massively and ironed out some of his weaknesses since Bowyer took charge which has been just under 2 years. I'm sure if Bowyer had been in charge throughout Sarr's period at the club, he'd be a much improved player.
Harsh to imply that he's not worked on his weaknesses during his four and a half years at the club imo. If we can get him on reduced terms then it'd definitely be worth considering as every player at this level (all levels for that matter) has weaknesses.
Yes, and the question has to be can you sort them out? I think they can be sorted out to an extent by drilling some rules into him. What you can't give him is pace, but I think you can work around that using the other defenders. It would require a decision to build the defence around him at some point and see that as a project. I doubt that will happen here but wouldn't be surprised when we see him doing well at a higher level.
How do you sort out a centre half that sometimes has poor concentration and lacks the aggression of his opponents?
For Naby - first rule - when clearing in a dangerous position, row z. Otherwise as you were. Then have a midfield that shows for him. He allows them to play higher up the pitch when attacking as they don't have to come back for the ball but he needs to be able to have options and players in space. Offensively, it is a attribute that would excite me as a manager.
Also, appreciate that as a big man, he might not be the best defender to mark their best headerer of the ball. But his passing is better than smaller players so you just take it as what you have got. Also appreciate he will make mistakes and looks ungainly, but Pearce and Lockyer make mistakes too. It is just you fear it more from Sarr because of his size. Overcome that fear and look at mistakes statistically.
So not a great deal to change for me and part of that is about the players around him.
If only Naby would attack a ball in the air especially in our box like he did for the Davison assist v West Brom, that would be a massive improvement for me. For a big man he's good carrying the ball out of defence and hits a decent through / diagonal ball. He can certainly time a last ditch tackle, however concentration and slowness to react to a forward nipping in front of him has been an issue though hence the reasons why he causes unease with a lot of fans.
I like Naby who as mentioned before I've met briefly, he's a very polite and engaging young man who must realise he hit the jackpot with one of Daisy's contract aberrations. If he can match that with another club good luck to him if not and Bowyer wants to keep him on less money then as a squad member, better the devil you know. He's certainly a marmite character and given of his best whilst wearing the shirt as far as I'm concerned.
It is counter intuitive but you sometimes need to judge footballers by their stats and attributes which may not always tie in with what you see. Not saying Sarr hasn't got areas that he can work on and weaknesses that are just there, but the question has to be whether you think you can improve him and I think Bowyer and his team could do that with Naby to the extent that he becomes our best defender.
Naby hasn't made anywhere near as many mistakes as people make out, and is a genuine threat in attacking positions, not with his height and heading but with his striking ability. Remember earlier on in the season when he brought the ball forwards, we played it out wide to the right, fizzed a low ball across the box and Sarr had continued his run and finished with aplomb? Pearce would never do that in a million years, yet this season has been no better defensively either. If I was Bowyer I'd offer him a 2 year deal on a slight pay cut and leave it up to him if he wants to commit or not, and if he moves on I will look back on his time with us in a positive light, he has had his ups and downs but he tries so hard to please on and off the pitch and his improvement over the past 4 years is immeasurable
When we play 3 at the back, Naby has to start - as others have said his ability to bring the ball out and find a pass is second to none. When we play a back four he is more exposed as there is only one other covering CB and any little mistake normally leads to a goal scoring opportunity. If he accepts a pay cut then would be happy to have him as a good quality squad player.
Last season, I managed an U18 team and I had a striker that divided opinion. Basically I thought he was a great addition and got him in when his bottom of the table club folded and others thought he was crap. The problem was that he did have major flaws in his game and did make some glaring misses and had one trick that he would always use and it hardly ever worked. But despite all of that he scored goals.
On two separate occasions last season, I had parents coming over from the other side of the pitch and telling me to substitute him. I told them he was the one player I wouldn't substitute because he scored goals. Yes he missed loads of chances and looked raw a lot of the time but he bloody scored goals that we didn't score when he wasn't playing. On both occasions I was told to bring him off, he scored after.
He finished our top scorer, top scorer in the league and scored two goals in our cup final victory at the end of the season. Totally different level, but if you watched him play you would find it hard to understand why he scored as many as he did but he did. Naby has the disadvantage of looking like he is a mistake waiting to happen everytime he has the ball but he doesn't make significantly more mistakes than Pearce. It is just they are more noticeable and sadly a couple of his recent ones have been important. I think clearance mistakes can be cured by drilling into him that he needs to clear with purpose.
I think he is the sort of player that you could push up a few levels by working hard on his weaknesses. He definitely has some high end strengths for me. I would imagine the size of is current contract only matters if there are clubs out there willing to match it. What you have to do if you want him, is to match the value others put on him now.
Four and a half years he's had to work on his weaknesses.
But it's only since Bowyer came in that's improved him.
And Naby has improved considerably. His manager says so.
I think he is the sort of player that you could push up a few levels by working hard on his weaknesses. He definitely has some high end strengths for me. I would imagine the size of is current contract only matters if there are clubs out there willing to match it. What you have to do if you want him, is to match the value others put on him now.
Four and a half years he's had to work on his weaknesses.
But it's only since Bowyer came in that's improved him.
And Naby has improved considerably. His manager says so.
Agreed.....and also, Sarr has had a run of games, got more experienced, got more settled, felt more appreciated and thus continued to develop as a player naturally. It's a combination of a lot of factors.
Last season, I managed an U18 team and I had a striker that divided opinion. Basically I thought he was a great addition and got him in when his bottom of the table club folded and others thought he was crap. The problem was that he did have major flaws in his game and did make some glaring misses and had one trick that he would always use and it hardly ever worked. But despite all of that he scored goals.
On two separate occasions last season, I had parents coming over from the other side of the pitch and telling me to substitute him. I told them he was the one player I wouldn't substitute because he scored goals. Yes he missed loads of chances and looked raw a lot of the time but he bloody scored goals that we didn't score when he wasn't playing. On both occasions I was told to bring him off, he scored after.
He finished our top scorer, top scorer in the league and scored two goals in our cup final victory at the end of the season. Totally different level, but if you watched him play you would find it hard to understand why he scored as many as he did but he did. Naby has the disadvantage of looking like he is a mistake waiting to happen everytime he has the ball but he doesn't make significantly more mistakes than Pearce. It is just they are more noticeable and sadly a couple of his recent ones have been important. I think clearance mistakes can be cured by drilling into him that he needs to clear with purpose.
He sounds like the complete opposite of lisbie. Always looking likely to score but hardly ever did
To be honest, I think he probably needed better coaching at 11-12 onwards and he might be a professional now. The problem in youth football is that players do the job for managers and they don't try to address weaknesses as they are just happy winning. I can't explain exactly why he scored so many goals, but he did. We had decent strikers that looked the part but whilst he was missing sitters, they weren't getting sitters to miss.
We brought him in for the second half of last season and he was our top scorer then so it wasn't as if you had to be a genius to work out he scored goals. But he didn't look the part on the pitch at times and some people rely on that ignoring the other evidence.
Naby has made errors and he has done good things like that tackle on Saturday and playing a part creating and scoring goals. I'm pretty sure you won't see Pearce well ahead of him in terms of overall contribution statistically. That is an assumption, I'm not going to crunch the numbers btw.
If the plan is to play a back 3 more often than not (which I think suits both Naby and Lockyer) then I think we would need to spend a a lot of money on transfer fees and wages to buy someone better than Naby. If we stay up, we should sign him up.
Naby Sarr who goes from tragic to magic to tragic to magic, and that's just in the first half of matches. Charlton's leading scorer in the line up at Preston is an enigma. Pinpoint 45 yard passes, a 30 yard chipped ball down the wing to Williams to Bonne, Goal ! Receives the ball just outside his area runs the length of the field after a pass to the wing and then gets on the end of the cross to score. A fantastic last ditch tackle that saves a point against the baggies, and the goal taken with aplomb at QPR.
The Good, BUT the bad and the ugly aren't great for the Nabster's CV.
Only seen it once but how did he get out musseled at the den, I know Matt Smith is a big lad but so is Naby. In the Hull game you clear the ball into row Z, and the Fulham game, bring the player down outside the box and take the yellow card. Last season against Wimbledon, you don't do the full lunging tackle when Trevor two reds Kettle is referee, even if it was in the first minute.
The John Stones of the Championship, from the sublime to the ridiculous and back to the sublime and..
To be honest, I think he probably needed better coaching at 11-12 onwards and he might be a professional now. The problem in youth football is that players do the job for managers and they don't try to address weaknesses as they are just happy winning. I can't explain exactly why he scored so many goals, but he did. We had decent strikers that looked the part but whilst he was missing sitters, they weren't getting sitters to miss.
We brought him in for the second half of last season and he was our top scorer then so it wasn't as if you had to be a genius to work out he scored goals. But he didn't look the part on the pitch at times and some people rely on that ignoring the other evidence.
You might not be able to explain it, Muttley ..... but you've just told us why.
Your striker had the poacher's instinct to be in the right place, at the right time. He had the ability to read the situation, time his movement and anticipate where he needed to be.
Your other strikers couldn't do that.
You'll have to tell us why he didn't look the part on the the pitch at times ....... lack of hold up play or lack of involvement in build up; no ability to run with the ball or didn't graft?
Yes, but why did he have it when technically more rounded players didn't? I can't explain it but it is one of the joys of football. Hold up play, he would do this flick virtually every time that the defender always read. I told him not to do it but it was clearly something he had done for so long it became instinctive and better defenders read it. Head down and loss of focus before moves fully broke down and often he would do a silly foul like a push when beaten when he could have still competed or another player could. The goals he scored where when he had less time to think - give him time and he would invariably miss.
He was tall, had a bit of pace, had a hard shot and was a bit nasty, though he lacked confidence and needed building up in that respect. I first noticed him when we were beating his team and I could see he was hurting but he was their player to stop. In frustration he did a nasty needless follow through on my son (our keeper) and could have broken his leg. I went ape shit at the time but he had a desire to win I admired and noted. He scored 1 in 2 for them but averaged over a goal a game for us. Him and my son are great mates now btw.
There is him and another lad from quite a few years back that I think with the right support could have been pros. A lot of his faults were bad habits. The other lad has really gone off the rails and is selling drugs now I have heard.
It's all in his head. The reading of the game, timing and anticipation - made him get into good goal scoring situations which others didn't see. That's a great ability. It sets him apart from your 'better' all round strikers, who rarely got in a position to miss sitters.
The 'Lisbie-esque' scoring by instinct, but fatal hesitation when he had time. That's about composure. The loss of focus, frustration and silly fouls and habitually doing things that rarely worked .... that's about composure too.
Plus the lack of confidence ..... it's all in his head.
He's got some natural ability but it's clear he'd picked up bad habits from an early age, that good training would have gone some way to eradicate when he was younger - especially working on the mental side of his game.
Maybe well before your time, but when I was a teenager my Dad took me to Fulham one evening and they had a young striker called Malcolm MacDonald ...... he didn't score and must have missed about half a dozen sitters that night.
But he consistently got himself in to good goal scoring positions. If you do that, the Law of Averages does the rest.
And we all know how Malcolm MacDonald's goal scoring record turned out.
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Harsh to imply that he's not worked on his weaknesses during his four and a half years at the club imo. If we can get him on reduced terms then it'd definitely be worth considering as every player at this level (all levels for that matter) has weaknesses.
Also, appreciate that as a big man, he might not be the best defender to mark their best headerer of the ball. But his passing is better than smaller players so you just take it as what you have got. Also appreciate he will make mistakes and looks ungainly, but Pearce and Lockyer make mistakes too. It is just you fear it more from Sarr because of his size. Overcome that fear and look at mistakes statistically.
So not a great deal to change for me and part of that is about the players around him.
Crowd pleaser who seems to create magic moments (albeit with occasional howlers like Millwall).
His goals and assists outnumber his mistakes that lead to goals.
Best passer of the ball from defense by far.
A genuine threat when thrown forward towards the end of matches.
Can take a free kick (Wimbledon).
Good dressing room influence, popular with other players.
He's learned how to jump (assist for Davison v. West Brom)
Thanks for reading.
I like Naby who as mentioned before I've met briefly, he's a very polite and engaging young man who must realise he hit the jackpot with one of Daisy's contract aberrations. If he can match that with another club good luck to him if not and Bowyer wants to keep him on less money then as a squad member, better the devil you know. He's certainly a marmite character and given of his best whilst wearing the shirt as far as I'm concerned.
A lot of time people just use him as the scapegoat for a bad team performance. He definitely has a place in the squad if you ask me.
Not as one of the clubs highest earners though that's for sure.
On two separate occasions last season, I had parents coming over from the other side of the pitch and telling me to substitute him. I told them he was the one player I wouldn't substitute because he scored goals. Yes he missed loads of chances and looked raw a lot of the time but he bloody scored goals that we didn't score when he wasn't playing. On both occasions I was told to bring him off, he scored after.
He finished our top scorer, top scorer in the league and scored two goals in our cup final victory at the end of the season. Totally different level, but if you watched him play you would find it hard to understand why he scored as many as he did but he did. Naby has the disadvantage of looking like he is a mistake waiting to happen everytime he has the ball but he doesn't make significantly more mistakes than Pearce. It is just they are more noticeable and sadly a couple of his recent ones have been important. I think clearance mistakes can be cured by drilling into him that he needs to clear with purpose.
And Naby has improved considerably. His manager says so.
Always looking likely to score but hardly ever did
We brought him in for the second half of last season and he was our top scorer then so it wasn't as if you had to be a genius to work out he scored goals. But he didn't look the part on the pitch at times and some people rely on that ignoring the other evidence.
Naby has made errors and he has done good things like that tackle on Saturday and playing a part creating and scoring goals. I'm pretty sure you won't see Pearce well ahead of him in terms of overall contribution statistically. That is an assumption, I'm not going to crunch the numbers btw.
Charlton's leading scorer in the line up at Preston is an enigma.
Pinpoint 45 yard passes, a 30 yard chipped ball down the wing to Williams to Bonne, Goal ! Receives the ball just outside his area runs the length of the field after a pass to the wing and then gets on the end of the cross to score. A fantastic last ditch tackle that saves a point against the baggies, and the goal taken with aplomb at QPR.
The Good, BUT the bad and the ugly aren't great for the Nabster's CV.
Only seen it once but how did he get out musseled at the den, I know Matt Smith is a big lad but so is Naby. In the Hull game you clear the ball into row Z, and the Fulham game, bring the player down outside the box and take the yellow card. Last season against Wimbledon, you don't do the full lunging tackle when Trevor two reds Kettle is referee, even if it was in the first minute.
The John Stones of the Championship, from the sublime to the ridiculous and back to the sublime and..
Your striker had the poacher's instinct to be in the right place, at the right time.
He had the ability to read the situation, time his movement and anticipate where he needed to be.
Your other strikers couldn't do that.
You'll have to tell us why he didn't look the part on the the pitch at times ....... lack of hold up play or lack of involvement in build up; no ability to run with the ball or didn't graft?
He was tall, had a bit of pace, had a hard shot and was a bit nasty, though he lacked confidence and needed building up in that respect. I first noticed him when we were beating his team and I could see he was hurting but he was their player to stop. In frustration he did a nasty needless follow through on my son (our keeper) and could have broken his leg. I went ape shit at the time but he had a desire to win I admired and noted. He scored 1 in 2 for them but averaged over a goal a game for us. Him and my son are great mates now btw.
There is him and another lad from quite a few years back that I think with the right support could have been pros. A lot of his faults were bad habits. The other lad has really gone off the rails and is selling drugs now I have heard.
It's all in his head. The reading of the game, timing and anticipation - made him get into good goal scoring situations which others didn't see.
That's a great ability. It sets him apart from your 'better' all round strikers, who rarely got in a position to miss sitters.
The 'Lisbie-esque' scoring by instinct, but fatal hesitation when he had time. That's about composure.
The loss of focus, frustration and silly fouls and habitually doing things that rarely worked .... that's about composure too.
Plus the lack of confidence ..... it's all in his head.
He's got some natural ability but it's clear he'd picked up bad habits from an early age, that good training would have gone some way to eradicate when he was younger - especially working on the mental side of his game.
Maybe well before your time, but when I was a teenager my Dad took me to Fulham one evening and they had a young striker called Malcolm MacDonald ...... he didn't score and must have missed about half a dozen sitters that night.
But he consistently got himself in to good goal scoring positions.
If you do that, the Law of Averages does the rest.
And we all know how Malcolm MacDonald's goal scoring record turned out.