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06/03/19: CARD wants commitments over 2019/20 manager, players and sale of club ahead of ST offer
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The Coalition Against Roland Duchâtelet (CARD) is calling on Charlton fans to make clear that they will not commit to buying season tickets for the 2019/20 season until there is clarity about what will be left at The Valley to support.
After a week in which the club’s Belgian owner said on national radio that foreign club owners should be banned; criticised the EFL for allowing him to take Charlton over in 2014; said that he will not sell to a foreign owner; and then provoked national ridicule by “demanding” that the EFL should itself take the club over and operate it in competition with its other members, CARD says it is time for fans to take a stand.
Charlton currently have around a dozen first-team players out of contract at the end of the season and a further four loanees are set to leave, while manager Lee Bowyer and his assistant Johnnie Jackson’s deals are also up in the summer.
The club said it planned to discuss ticket prices at a twice-rescheduled fans’ forum meeting on Monday. It has no functioning board of directors and there has been no chief executive or chief financial officer for more than a year. It remains in dispute with its own staff over unpaid bonuses and Bowyer has said publicly that Duchâtelet would not allow him to sign a free agent to replace Karlan Grant, who joined Huddersfield Town in January for a reported £1.5m.
A CARD spokesperson said: “It must now be apparent to everyone, whatever their position over the last five years, that behind the scenes the club is in chaos and the owner is out of control. There is no commitment to the staff, no commitment to the players, no commitment to the manager and hence no commitment to the fans. Why would any supporter want to make a financial commitment to Duchâtelet in return?
“CARD believes that the fans’ forum should advise the club not to bring forward any season-ticket plan until it has a credible offer to make, including a commitment to the manager, a commitment to a proper squad of players and a serious effort to sell the club to new owners of whatever nationality at a credible market price.
“If the club does not heed this advice then we will campaign for fans to reject its season-ticket offer until it does. In effect we are calling for a strike that does not impact on the current team. We give Duchâtelet notice that our response may also include lawful protests against him in Belgium.”
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Yeah but that seat I’ve sat in for 30 seasons might be sold to mr invisible so I’m taking up their early bird offer to save £0 on the increase that won’t happen further down the line , I just can’t wait
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good stance but IF we got promoted people will not stay away and also there are a few thousand that will go regardless, tbh £150 for a season ticket is ridiculous value for live football.
great idea but do not know whether it will work, desperately need a buyer but when they come in we are going to need a big investment to be able to compete.0 -
But regardless of if we get promoted there won’t be a team to support.palarsehater said:good stance but IF we got promoted people will not stay away and also there are a few thousand that will go regardless, tbh £150 for a season ticket is ridiculous value for live football.
great idea but do not know whether it will work, desperately need a buyer but when they come in we are going to need a big investment to be able to compete.2 -
Will this include the committee members of both CARD and CAST?8
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For the first time since the Selhurst Park days, I did not renew my season ticket this season, and I will not buy one until this cancer is removed from the club. However, I have renewed my passport in readiness for the occasion trip to Belgium.10
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I'm not aware of anyone involved with the organisation of CARD who will be rushing to buy a season ticket. CARD doesn't seek the unanimous agreement of the CAST board to everything it does as that would mean giving people who are not involved in discussions an effective veto.Addickted said:Will this include the committee members of both CARD and CAST?6 -
people will still attend the valley as generations have before them.KiwiValley said:
But regardless of if we get promoted there won’t be a team to support.palarsehater said:good stance but IF we got promoted people will not stay away and also there are a few thousand that will go regardless, tbh £150 for a season ticket is ridiculous value for live football.
great idea but do not know whether it will work, desperately need a buyer but when they come in we are going to need a big investment to be able to compete.0 -
I might of guessed that the first post on a new initiative would be someone slagging off fellow fans because they don’t agree with them. Quite frankly I think it is pathetic.oohaahmortimer said:Yeah but that seat I’ve sat in for 30 seasons might be sold to mr invisible so I’m taking up their early bird offer to save £0 on the increase that won’t happen further down the line , I just can’t wait
Have you even read the statement, or are you just wallowing in your own self righteousness?
The statement is trying to explain that the last 5 years is very different to what is happening today. Digging your trenches a bit deeper is not going to help and you stand a good chance of pissing off the very fans that presumably you would wish to win over.
I have always followed CARD. I did not renew until the date they suggested in previous years, and if they say do not renew next season, I will not.
I would also urge current season ticket holders to do the same. For CARD to be respected they need to be able to show that the vast majority of fans agree with what they say and will support them in anyway that is asked. Not to do so will render them irrelevant. Please, please do not renew until CARD say you may.2 -
Exactly, card did not say do not buy a season ticket.. just wait.
If we got promoted, would we even have a squad for next season? It isn't looking like it either way!
And can you see roland investing to bring a squad together? (competitive championship squad) absolutely not.
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Only point of note there is the last sentence4
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"please do not renew until CARD say you may."
None of us need CARD's permission.
We are being asked, not told, what to do.
I welcome and agree with CARD's statement but will make my own decision to again not buy a season ticket or home match tickets.9 -
Hear hear !!CARD said:The Coalition Against Roland Duchâtelet (CARD) is calling on Charlton fans to make clear that they will not commit to buying season tickets for the 2019/20 season until there is clarity about what will be left at The Valley to support.After a week in which the club’s Belgian owner said on national radio that foreign club owners should be banned; criticised the EFL for allowing him to take Charlton over in 2014; said that he will not sell to a foreign owner; and then provoked national ridicule by “demanding” that the EFL should itself take the club over and operate it in competition with its other members, CARD says it is time for fans to take a stand.Charlton currently have around a dozen first-team players out of contract at the end of the season and a further four loanees are set to leave, while manager Lee Bowyer and his assistant Johnnie Jackson’s deals are also up in the summer.The club said it planned to discuss ticket prices at a twice-rescheduled fans’ forum meeting on Monday. It has no functioning board of directors and there has been no chief executive or chief financial officer for more than a year. It remains in dispute with its own staff over unpaid bonuses and Bowyer has said publicly that Duchâtelet would not allow him to sign a free agent to replace Karlan Grant, who joined Huddersfield Town in January for a reported £1.5m.A CARD spokesperson said: “It must now be apparent to everyone, whatever their position over the last five years, that behind the scenes the club is in chaos and the owner is out of control. There is no commitment to the staff, no commitment to the players, no commitment to the manager and hence no commitment to the fans. Why would any supporter want to make a financial commitment to Duchâtelet in return?“CARD believes that the fans’ forum should advise the club not to bring forward any season-ticket plan until it has a credible offer to make, including a commitment to the manager, a commitment to a proper squad of players and a serious effort to sell the club to new owners of whatever nationality at a credible market price.“If the club does not heed this advice then we will campaign for fans to reject its season-ticket offer until it does. In effect we are calling for a strike that does not impact on the current team. We give Duchâtelet notice that our response may also include lawful protests against him in Belgium.”
Also, if like me you have attend matches & won't boycott because it's in your blood & don't feel why a stupid owner should stop you enjoying your Saturday afternoons......then its easy to get away with paying the minimum amount needed to get in...
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I take it nothing positive came out of last night's FF meeting?!!2
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If CARD's worst case scenario becomes reality- Bowyer and Jackson gone along with all the loanees and out of contract players - I'll still go next season to support whatever remains of a team.
That's what supporters do: they support the team.1 -
Each to their own but I agree with SE7toSG3 and don't think it is that straightforward.0
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Don’t be obtuse.Henry Irving said:"please do not renew until CARD say you may."
None of us need CARD's permission.
We are being asked, not told, what to do.
I welcome and agree with CARD's statement but will make my own decision to again not buy a season ticket or home match tickets.2 -
So, supporters don't support the team because 'it's not that simple'. That's interesting, but wrong by the very definition of the word 'supporter'.SE7toSG3 said:Actually I disagree @redskin, its not what supporters do, its not that simple and I suspect you too realise that, keep going, its your decision but dont for a minute suggest your any more a supporter than anyone else.
How you manage to presume I'm suggesting that I'm more of a supporter than anyone else is, frankly, wilful delusion on your part. I suggested nothing of the sort.
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My younger brother still renews every year and even my own son has been three times this season. I can't stop them as it's up to them, but I know that my boycott will continue for another year and until Roland has gone.
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Still willing to take freebies though?Henry Irving said:"please do not renew until CARD say you may."
None of us need CARD's permission.
We are being asked, not told, what to do.
I welcome and agree with CARD's statement but will make my own decision to again not buy a season ticket or home match tickets.6 -
He was joking.Redrobo said:
I might of guessed that the first post on a new initiative would be someone slagging off fellow fans because they don’t agree with them. Quite frankly I think it is pathetic.oohaahmortimer said:Yeah but that seat I’ve sat in for 30 seasons might be sold to mr invisible so I’m taking up their early bird offer to save £0 on the increase that won’t happen further down the line , I just can’t wait
Have you even read the statement, or are you just wallowing in your own self righteousness?
The statement is trying to explain that the last 5 years is very different to what is happening today. Digging your trenches a bit deeper is not going to help and you stand a good chance of pissing off the very fans that presumably you would wish to win over.
I have always followed CARD. I did not renew until the date they suggested in previous years, and if they say do not renew next season, I will not.
I would also urge current season ticket holders to do the same. For CARD to be respected they need to be able to show that the vast majority of fans agree with what they say and will support them in anyway that is asked. Not to do so will render them irrelevant. Please, please do not renew until CARD say you may.5 -
Actually, by saying “ that’s what supporters do “ you are implying that those who don’t do that, for whatever reason, are lesser supporters. That may not be what you meant but it is what you appeared to be suggesting.Redskin said:
So, supporters don't support the team because 'it's not that simple'. That's interesting, but wrong by the very definition of the word 'supporter'.SE7toSG3 said:Actually I disagree @redskin, its not what supporters do, its not that simple and I suspect you too realise that, keep going, its your decision but dont for a minute suggest your any more a supporter than anyone else.
How you manage to presume I'm suggesting that I'm more of a supporter than anyone else is, frankly, wilful delusion on your part. I suggested nothing of the sort.
I am boycotting and I will continue to do so until Roland departs. I am doing so because I honestly believe that boycotting is in the long term interest of the club. If you disagree then fair enough, but please don’t imply that my actions are not those of a supporter24 -
A welcome suggestion from CARD, and one which puts the ball firmly in Roland’s court.
Attendances appear to have risen at home games this year, which I am sure pleases the advertisers as well as the owner, but have the increased ticket sales been rewarded by investment in the team? We only have to look at the striker situation to get the answer to that.
We need to hang on to our pennies for as long as possible in the hope they will go to a new owner who will provide supporters with value for money, not recompense Roland for the 5 years of disappointment his negligence has served up!
There are more ways than one of supporting the team. Yes, we can shout them on from the stands – but might they not also appreciate fans pressing to have contract situations sorted out? The non-playing staff are also vital members of the team, and might they be heartened to see we have not forgotten about their unpaid bonuses?
As for further legal protests in Belgium – my passport is up-to-date, and there are plenty on here who have been calling for this. Time to start saving up for the coach fare?
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But you also know its not simply about the definition of a word, by stating 'its what supporters do: they support the team' I came to my wilful delusion, (a lovely phrase that I will use more often), I know many who are not supporting their team through buying a ST for home games but are still supporters, and the statement was simply a request to delay buying one.
Again however, its only a suggestion so buy away
So, supporters don't support the team because 'it's not that simple'. That's interesting, but wrong by the very definition of the word 'supporter'.SE7toSG3 said:Actually I disagree @redskin, its not what supporters do, its not that simple and I suspect you too realise that, keep going, its your decision but dont for a minute suggest your any more a supporter than anyone else.
How you manage to presume I'm suggesting that I'm more of a supporter than anyone else is, frankly, wilful delusion on your part. I suggested nothing of the sort.2 -
Not sure who will disappear first - RD or Charlton?
The lack of planning for next season suggests something has to happen. RD appears to have given up on his 'investment' completely so WTF is his exit plan?1 -
2 years too late CARD
For the record I don't give a f@ck if we get promoted or not, I will not be renewing the season ticket next season.
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palarsehater said:good stance but IF we got promoted people will not stay away and also there are a few thousand that will go regardless, tbh £150 for a season ticket is ridiculous value for live football.
great idea but do not know whether it will work, desperately need a buyer but when they come in we are going to need a big investment to be able to compete.Looking at Blackpool during the mass protest of past few seasons, they still had crowds of a few thousand each home game (although unsure of percentage of home/away crowd).The majority of our fans can still stay away with home attendances of a few thousand. You only have to look at our attendances during the first league one campaign compared to the past few seasons.0 -
Agreed, but I think we still have to do this. If CARD can get the message out to as many supporters as possible early enough then we can have a meaningful impact on season tickets.clb74 said:2 years too late CARD
For the record I don't give a f@ck if we get promoted or not, I will not be renewing the season ticket next season.0 -
Absolutely and I have no qualms about it whatsoever.iainment said:
Still willing to take freebies though?Henry Irving said:"please do not renew until CARD say you may."
None of us need CARD's permission.
We are being asked, not told, what to do.
I welcome and agree with CARD's statement but will make my own decision to again not buy a season ticket or home match tickets.0
