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06/03/19: CARD wants commitments over 2019/20 manager, players and sale of club ahead of ST offer

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  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Boycott!!!

    An empty ground on the TV Saturday evening apart from Pompey fans would get more publicity than red cards, paper planes, marches & plastic piggies put together.

    Never gonna happen though.

    #notapennymore 
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    Approaching people to start a demo who are against demos would not be the way to start a demo, no. I'm suggesting that occasional public meetings and demos with a broad appeal are the way to encourage unity and support. e.g. We have never had a public meeting that decided to protest.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    iainment said:
    It's a principle though. Give money to Duchatelet?
    No. Absolutely not. My money takes earning and he's not going to benefit, however marginally, from that.
    Right, but there’s more to the transaction of buying a Charlton than just “giving money to Duchatelet” you are also:

    - getting to watch the team you love
    - spending quality time with family and friends 
    - enjoying a pastime without the pressures of work/life for 90 minutes 
    - avoiding having to find something else to do with your time on a Saturday

    For me the benefits of buying a ST still outweigh the negatives, for others they dont and that’s a shame, but we all have to make our decisions. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    If nobody goes to watch Charlton the club dies irrelevant of who owns it. RD couldn't give a toss if the ground was empty - protests here don't seem to touch him and he's living with the losses. 

    Assuming RD will behave like a conventional owner has not worked. 

    I haven't a clue how you get him to sell the club for a reasonable price and if most people on here are honest they haven't either. 

    We can slag each other off as much as we like regarding the right strategy but ultimately we're no closer to working him out. 

    I'm pretty amazed he hasn't sold and I fear what he has planned.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    se9addick said:
    iainment said:
    It's a principle though. Give money to Duchatelet?
    No. Absolutely not. My money takes earning and he's not going to benefit, however marginally, from that.
    Right, but there’s more to the transaction of buying a Charlton than just “giving money to Duchatelet” you are also:

    - getting to watch the team you love
    - spending quality time with family and friends 
    - enjoying a pastime without the pressures of work/life for 90 minutes 
    - avoiding having to find something else to do with your time on a Saturday

    For me the benefits of buying a ST still outweigh the negatives, for others they dont and that’s a shame, but we all have to make our decisions. 
    And the good news is that you can do all of the above and still support CARD by not renewing until the last minute.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I reckon proportionally Charlton has more under 11's buying tickets than any other club.
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,648
    I should think he won't be too pleased when he sees this
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,312
    Baldybonce said:
    I should think he won't be too pleased when he sees this
    I honestly don't think he'll care. 
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,648
    Just my opinion of course but I think he really doesn't like adverse publicity and the thought that he's being outsmarted.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    I dont see the logc in thinking this isstill your club with that bellend running it. If you can risk waiting a few months and moving seat by a row to help prove a point... then you are a small part of the problem.
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  • addick05
    addick05 Posts: 2,348
    se9addick said:
    iainment said:
    It's a principle though. Give money to Duchatelet?
    No. Absolutely not. My money takes earning and he's not going to benefit, however marginally, from that.
    Right, but there’s more to the transaction of buying a Charlton than just “giving money to Duchatelet” you are also:

    - getting to watch the team you love
    - spending quality time with family and friends 
    - enjoying a pastime without the pressures of work/life for 90 minutes 
    - avoiding having to find something else to do with your time on a Saturday

    For me the benefits of buying a ST still outweigh the negatives, for others they dont and that’s a shame, but we all have to make our decisions. 

    All of your reasons for going to watch Charlton are more than valid; and are typical of most fans at most football clubs. But at least they go with the hope of maybe winning promotion or having a good run in one of the cups. If our moron owner doesn't sell soon, just how many seasons do we have left? Or perhaps you will trot out the same reasons when dragging the 'family and friends' to watch us play the likes of  Bromsgrove and Sutton?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679
    What if as many as possible turn up for the Pompy game and sing Roland out throughout the 1st half .
    Then as the 2nd half kicks off we all leave the valley together .
    Sky would have to cover this and it would get coverage in Belgium also.
    Just a thought. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    blackpool72 said:
    What if as many as possible turn up for the Pompy game and sing Roland out throughout the 1st half .
    Then as the 2nd half kicks off we all leave the valley together .
    Sky would have to cover this and it would get coverage in Belgium also.
    Just a thought. 
    Only a sprinkling left on 75 minutes for the Middlesbrough game. A good idea if people were prepared to do it wholesale.

    I suppose you could torpedo me over the goal into the centre circle to start a pitch invasion.
  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,217
    Hanging on to your hard-earned until you know what you're getting in return seems like a very reasonable suggestion to me. Can't see why people are so divided on this, shows how fed up everyone is with this ongoing debacle. "Just sell the club" is all well and good when there're buyers around, seems like that is in doubt these days. I've been buying lottery tickets for a while now in hopes I'd win enough to buy the club, and lo and behold, last weekend I won two dollars, enough to buy the club with some left over. Now all I have to do is win some more so that I can buy the freeholds to go along with it. I'd love to live close enough to The Valley so that I could say I'm not buying an ST until we know what we're getting next season, but can't do that for obvious reasons, so I'm just urging everyone to stick together, we are well represented by CARD, it seems to me, well worth trying their suggestion.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    How can anyone say he doesn't care about the money? He hasn't sold the club because he can't agree a price and he wants far more than it's worth. He came to London a year ago to personally oversee cost cutting measures. He continues to sell any saleable playing assets because he wants to offset his operating losses. It's absolutely about the money and if he sees a big drop off in season ticket revenues because fans aren't prepared to pay in advance when we have no surety who will be in the side next season or who will be managing us, he will need to consider doing something to encourage sales eg renewing key contracts before it's too late.  
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    edited March 2019
    Cardinal Sin said:
    How can anyone say he doesn't care about the money? He hasn't sold the club because he can't agree a price and he wants far more than it's worth. He came to London a year ago to personally oversee cost cutting measures. He continues to sell any saleable playing assets because he wants to offset his operating losses. It's absolutely about the money and if he sees a big drop off in season ticket revenues because fans aren't prepared to pay in advance when we have no surety who will be in the side next season or who will be managing us, he will need to consider doing something to encourage sales eg renewing key contracts before it's too late.  
    He cares about money but that is referring to him wanting 15mil+ too much for the club. Even an extra 4000 boycotting wouldn’t bother him IMO. We are talking about a couple of million. 
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    How can anyone say he doesn't care about the money? He hasn't sold the club because he can't agree a price and he wants far more than it's worth. He came to London a year ago to personally oversee cost cutting measures. He continues to sell any saleable playing assets because he wants to offset his operating losses. It's absolutely about the money and if he sees a big drop off in season ticket revenues because fans aren't prepared to pay in advance when we have no surety who will be in the side next season or who will be managing us, he will need to consider doing something to encourage sales eg renewing key contracts before it's too late.  
    He cares about money but that is referring to him wanting 15mil+ too much for the club. Even an extra 4000 boycotting wouldn’t bother him IMO. We are talking about a couple of million. 
    If he cares about money he will care about a couple of million. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    How can anyone say he doesn't care about the money? He hasn't sold the club because he can't agree a price and he wants far more than it's worth. He came to London a year ago to personally oversee cost cutting measures. He continues to sell any saleable playing assets because he wants to offset his operating losses. It's absolutely about the money and if he sees a big drop off in season ticket revenues because fans aren't prepared to pay in advance when we have no surety who will be in the side next season or who will be managing us, he will need to consider doing something to encourage sales eg renewing key contracts before it's too late.  
    He cares about money but that is referring to him wanting 15mil+ too much for the club. Even an extra 4000 boycotting wouldn’t bother him IMO. We are talking about a couple of million. 
    2 million may not bother him, but giving him £400 bothers thousands.

    Napm
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,900
    The protests over here have been done to death and I can’t see the point now - people going over there however, good on them, it has an affect on him - my protest however will be a boycott til he’s gone - benefit of the doubt, 2 years to get back up etc etc all long gone now - he wants too much and is dragging is further into the mire the longer he stays - it’s gone beyond throwing things on pitch to attract attention - nobody is in any doubt or needs to be made aware of what s wrong un he is - everybody knows 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    As I understand it, CARD is calling on supporters not to buy season tickets yet, not demanding they don't with sanctions or criticism. Fair enough surely. If you disagree, buy your season ticket. I do agree and won't.  
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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    Redrobo said:
    se9addick said:
    iainment said:
    It's a principle though. Give money to Duchatelet?
    No. Absolutely not. My money takes earning and he's not going to benefit, however marginally, from that.
    Right, but there’s more to the transaction of buying a Charlton than just “giving money to Duchatelet” you are also:

    - getting to watch the team you love
    - spending quality time with family and friends 
    - enjoying a pastime without the pressures of work/life for 90 minutes 
    - avoiding having to find something else to do with your time on a Saturday

    For me the benefits of buying a ST still outweigh the negatives, for others they dont and that’s a shame, but we all have to make our decisions. 
    And the good news is that you can do all of the above and still support CARD by not renewing until the last minute.
    Which is exactly what I said I would do in my first post on this thread...
  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    Davo55 said:
    Some depressing stuff on this thread. 

    I’ll simply add that anyone who is “anti” any group (CARD or otherwise) that is giving up it’s time and energy to oppose Roland Duchatelet, can f right off. And then f right off again.

    He is the enemy, not the fans who are trying to make him sell up and let us rebuild. 
    Personally I was talking about an effort to unite the fans, I don't think your comment is helpful as it just causes a bigger divide. You're right, he is the enemy, so why not try and do something that unites even the biggest critics? Telling other fans to F off isn't the answer mate.
  • bertpalmer
    bertpalmer Posts: 1,774
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    We have tried boycotting (although I didn’t much) and it hasn’t worked. As others have said, the revenue from tickets isn’t enough to force Roland to sell. He’s clearly a spiteful wanker otherwise he would cut his losses and reduce his price. 

    I didnt agree with the criminal damage but it does force a reaction. I’m not sure what the answer is anymore but I don’t think a boycott is going to work, if anything it will just harm the team further. 
    Nobody understands RD - he defies conventional logic. He's losing money on a club he doesn't care about yet is too stubborn to sell unless he achieves his ridiculous asking price. The longer he owns the club the more he devalues it.

    The only way to make him sell seems to be to physically force him to sign a sale document.

    I remain genuinely concerned at what bizarre exit strategy he will come up with. 
    Could we get him Hypnotised
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    edited March 2019
    TEL said:
    Davo55 said:
    Some depressing stuff on this thread. 

    I’ll simply add that anyone who is “anti” any group (CARD or otherwise) that is giving up it’s time and energy to oppose Roland Duchatelet, can f right off. And then f right off again.

    He is the enemy, not the fans who are trying to make him sell up and let us rebuild. 
    Personally I was talking about an effort to unite the fans, I don't think your comment is helpful as it just causes a bigger divide. You're right, he is the enemy, so why not try and do something that unites even the biggest critics? Telling other fans to F off isn't the answer mate.
    Sorry @TEL, my comments weren't aimed at you or anyone on here in particular. I was referring to those who have done nothing themselves but just sit back and bitch about fans/groups who are giving up their own time, energy and often money to try to put pressure on Duchatelet to sell up. I stand by my comment in relation to those.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    edited March 2019
    I'm really growing tired of all this and the ever widening division between us, the bickering fans.

    At the heart, is the club, Charlton Athletic, a club we loved or did love but because of the ongoing chaos, that love is waining for some.

    At times, I feel the very existence of our club is at stake, or at least that's how it feels to me.

    But as usual, all we do, as the late Mark Hollis would say is, All you do to me is Talk Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdADI3VmBew

    I honestly believe the talking should stop and action begin, whatever it takes to get this lunatic and his associates out of OUR club, be it legal or illegal.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,976
    sillav nitram said:
    I'm really growing tired of all this and the ever widening division between us, the bickering fans.

    At the heart, is the club, Charlton Athletic, a club we loved or did love but because of the ongoing chaos, that love is waining for some.

    At times, I feel the very existence of our club is at stake, or at least that's how it feels to me.

    But as usual, all we do, as the late Mark Hollis would say is, All you do to me is Talk Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdADI3VmBew

    I honestly believe the talking should stop and action begin, whatever it takes to get this lunatic and his associates out of OUR club, be it legal or illegal.
    This. 
    Love that song too.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    edited March 2019
    Time for a “peaceful” demonstration/march to the Belgian Embassy maybe?
    That would embarrass the miserable sociopathic fucker and get huge coverage back in Belgium of the kind that would rock him down to his duck taped boots.
    We all realise that marches to and demonstrations at Embassies worldwide nowadays are fraught with problems from start to finish and would need extensive negotiations with a number of authorities, but these are very desperate times for us Addicks.....do we have the courage and foresight to go down that route........I’d like to think so, at least it’s worth thinking about.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    J BLOCK said:
    Baldybonce said:
    I should think he won't be too pleased when he sees this
    I honestly don't think he'll care. 
    I think we have seen enough to assume it will irritate him. His image is important to him, otherwise he wouldn't be talking to Talk Sport.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Cardinal Sin said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    How can anyone say he doesn't care about the money? He hasn't sold the club because he can't agree a price and he wants far more than it's worth. He came to London a year ago to personally oversee cost cutting measures. He continues to sell any saleable playing assets because he wants to offset his operating losses. It's absolutely about the money and if he sees a big drop off in season ticket revenues because fans aren't prepared to pay in advance when we have no surety who will be in the side next season or who will be managing us, he will need to consider doing something to encourage sales eg renewing key contracts before it's too late.  
    He cares about money but that is referring to him wanting 15mil+ too much for the club. Even an extra 4000 boycotting wouldn’t bother him IMO. We are talking about a couple of million. 
    If he cares about money he will care about a couple of million. 
    Naturally he would prefer it in his pocket, but his main aim is finding someone as stupid as him to match his valuation of the club. 
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,981
    iainment said:
    Henry Irving said:
    "please do not renew until CARD say you may."

    None of us need CARD's permission.

    We are being asked, not told, what to do.

    I welcome and agree with CARD's statement but will make my own decision to again not buy a season ticket or home match tickets.

    Still willing to take freebies though

    The above comment is spot on for some people.

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