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Bielik - is he staying?

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    Cullen will be trying to make the West Ham squad for next season. If he doesn't then he will return to our sights.
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506

    If I were a Bundesliga manager, I'd be on the phone straight away for Bielik. He's absolutely ideal for that league. He's proved that he's got the physical attributes (even if he does have the odd roll about on the floor) and he's proved he's got the technical ability....plus he's only a young 'un.

    If I'm say a Werder Bremen or Wolfsburg manager, I'm trying to get him in on loan with an option to buy....and then it's a 5 year contract! Superb player who should have a fantastic club and international career....if he can stay fit!

  • masicat
    masicat Posts: 5,010
    My understanding is that Cullen will be first team squad at West Ham. Not sure about Beilik.
  • I think Cullen deserves a chance at West Ham - very gifted player.
  • I would love to see Kasey Palmer and Oztumer back at the club and Beilik and Cullen returning too.  Not sure how many loans we are allowed but i would also hope Aribo goes to Man City or similar where he has zero chance of playing so gets loaned straight back for his development.  Add in Williams and that is some group of midfielders all available cheaply (subject to wages)
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    I think Cullen deserves a chance at West Ham - very gifted player.


    He is gifted and it is possible that he'll become a Premier League regular but I have a nagging doubt; if he doesn't develop his left foot, he's going to be very easy for Premier League midfielders to push into tight corners.

    But he has many fine attributes;

    Excellent fitness; he NEVER stops and don't forget he came back from a dislocated shoulder really quickly and as if nothing had happened!

    Attitude; he NEVER stops and he rarely gets into trouble with refs. He just doesn't give in and he does the dirty work as well as the nice bits.

    Technique; his touch to control is excellent.

    Skill; he's got the ability to do a little turn or a swerve to get out of trouble or to make space for a pass/cross.

    Reading of the game; he's got the knack to know where those 2nd balls are going to drop and the speed of reaction to get in first.

    Physicality; gets up for his headers and puts in his tackles.

    He's the nearest thing I've seen to Keith Jones in style and contribution. The simplicity of his game, makes him the effective player that he is.

  • JollyRobin
    JollyRobin Posts: 1,706
    edited May 2019
    Two Hammers at work are very excited at the prospect of seeing Cullen in a West Ham shirt next season after watching him play on Sunday.
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    I would love to see Kasey Palmer and Oztumer back at the club and Beilik and Cullen returning too.  Not sure how many loans we are allowed but i would also hope Aribo goes to Man City or similar where he has zero chance of playing so gets loaned straight back for his development.  Add in Williams and that is some group of midfielders all available cheaply (subject to wages)


    I definitely think that Ozthumer could step up and be effective. He's another one who just doesn't stop working and could play just behind Lyle Taylor, meaning we could play a sort of 4-5-1.

    He's also got great dead-ball skills (perhaps something we do lack). A nice little direct free-kick now and again can get us some valuable points in tight games.

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    edited May 2019
    If we sign Cullen it wont be right till the end of the Transfer Window

    Am sure Bowyer and Gallen will see him as a target again but will they keep waiting for him this time or turn to other targets
  • HardyAddick
    HardyAddick Posts: 1,638
    Don’t think he is quite ready for Prem yet. One full season in the Championship is what he needs. Gives the ball away sometimes and a few too many poor fouls for a regular Prem starter. 

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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,648
    masicat said:
    My understanding is that Cullen will be first team squad at West Ham. Not sure about Beilik.
    Source ? 

    Cullen will try to be in their 25 but there’s no guarantee he will be. Not too many make the jump from league one quality to premier league quality that easily. Josh might make West Ham’s squad but might not. Bielik definitely won’t make West Ham’s squad.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    First Team for Cullen will be League Cup | FA Cup | Football League Trophy squads!!
  • HardyAddick
    HardyAddick Posts: 1,638
    First Team for Cullen will be League Cup | FA Cup | Football League Trophy squads!!
    Agreed. Another one who needs a full Championship season to show they can cut it in the Prem. 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    First Team for Cullen will be League Cup | FA Cup | Football League Trophy squads!!
    Agreed. Another one who needs a full Championship season to show they can cut it in the Prem. 


    Not necessarily. They could throw him into the Premier League and see how he does.

    Bottom line is, that if they are confident with him, they'll play him but if they are unsure (or totally unconvinced) they'll loan him or sell him.

  • JohnfromNorfolk
    JohnfromNorfolk Posts: 1,324
    I would love to see Kasey Palmer and Oztumer back at the club and Beilik and Cullen returning too.  Not sure how many loans we are allowed but i would also hope Aribo goes to Man City or similar where he has zero chance of playing so gets loaned straight back for his development.  Add in Williams and that is some group of midfielders all available cheaply (subject to wages)
    I saw Kasey Palmer at Carrow road playing for Huddersfield a couple of seasons ago as they were on the way up to the prem.
    He bossed the midfield that day and I was surprised Huddersfield did not keep him for the prem. 
    Saw him play again for Bristol city this season again at Carrow road.
    He came on as sub. after about an hour (replaced Jay De Silva) and was booked for a reckless tackle and was nearly sent off a few minutes later. 
    I think he's on loan at Bristol.
    Could be a good signing.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,931
    Simonsen said:
    I would love to see Kasey Palmer and Oztumer back at the club and Beilik and Cullen returning too.  Not sure how many loans we are allowed but i would also hope Aribo goes to Man City or similar where he has zero chance of playing so gets loaned straight back for his development.  Add in Williams and that is some group of midfielders all available cheaply (subject to wages)


    I definitely think that Ozthumer could step up and be effective. He's another one who just doesn't stop working and could play just behind Lyle Taylor, meaning we could play a sort of 4-5-1.

    He's also got great dead-ball skills (perhaps something we do lack). A nice little direct free-kick now and again can get us some valuable points in tight games.

    Oztumer has just had a season in the Championship with Bolton, where he failed to score any league goals. Yes he was with a poor team, but that's a worrying return
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    Oztumer barely played after October though...
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    edited May 2019
    Simonsen said:
    I would love to see Kasey Palmer and Oztumer back at the club and Beilik and Cullen returning too.  Not sure how many loans we are allowed but i would also hope Aribo goes to Man City or similar where he has zero chance of playing so gets loaned straight back for his development.  Add in Williams and that is some group of midfielders all available cheaply (subject to wages)


    I definitely think that Ozthumer could step up and be effective. He's another one who just doesn't stop working and could play just behind Lyle Taylor, meaning we could play a sort of 4-5-1.

    He's also got great dead-ball skills (perhaps something we do lack). A nice little direct free-kick now and again can get us some valuable points in tight games.

    Oztumer has just had a season in the Championship with Bolton, where he failed to score any league goals. Yes he was with a poor team, but that's a worrying return


    Bolton was completely the wrong club for him. They aimed for Magennis up front and tried to pick up the bits. Taylor is a grade better than Magennis at least and we've got more guile than Bolton.

    If we want to play our passing game with intricate inter-changes on the edge of the box, then Oztumer is ideal. Plus as a character, I believe he is spot on and I can vouch for the fact that he works bloody hard on and off the ball. He could be bargain and LB has proved he can get a tune out of a bargain player.

  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,658
    Spoke to an Arsenal fan at work today who i hadn't seen for a while.

    First words out of his mouth , were what did i think of Bielik?

    I said he's miles off a first team start at Arsenal, he needs another season with us to fully develop.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,334
    masicat said:
    My understanding is that Cullen will be first team squad at West Ham. Not sure about Beilik.
    Source ? 

    Cullen will try to be in their 25 but there’s no guarantee he will be. Not too many make the jump from league one quality to premier league quality that easily. Josh might make West Ham’s squad but might not. Bielik definitely won’t make West Ham’s squad.

    I don’t think they will even sign him from Arsenal.🤪

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  • Fortune 82nd Minute
    Fortune 82nd Minute Posts: 8,372
    edited May 2019
    Watching the Arsenal /Chelsea game at the moment and all I can say is Bielik must have every chance of playing in their defence next season! 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    They were beyond poor for such a big game. I think we would have beaten them in that second half.
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,735
    Watching the Arsenal /Chelsea game at the moment and all I can say is Bielik must have every chance of playing in their defence next season! 
    Arsenal have been gutless for years.  They could certainly use someone with balls of steel like Bielik!
  • Charltonparklane
    Charltonparklane Posts: 5,786
    Their supporters would have a meltdown if they bought in a League 1 loan player into their defence next season, Im pretty sure they will be expecting big money signings next year
  • Their supporters would have a meltdown if they bought in a League 1 loan player into their defence next season, Im pretty sure they will be expecting big money signings next year
    That's a good point. But have Arsenal actually got a load of money to spend? I thought a figure of £40 million was being bandied about.

    Maybe they should give a chance to the likes of Bielik. From our point of view I hope they don't but if they do Bielik would certainly be an improvement on the dross they had playing for them last night. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,078
    Don’t PL rules state a maximum squad size of 25 with 8 home grown players ? 
    I’m assuming Cullen qualifies as home grown but Bielik ? Would there be 8 home grown players ahead of Cullen at West Ham ? I’m sure there would be at Arsenal if that applies to Bielik. 
    Bielik counts as home grown because he joined Arsenal before he was 18 like someone like Maynard-Brewer would with us. 
    Arsenal don't have many home grown players, and will lose Ramsey and Welbeck so this could be a reason for keeping him
    And Jenkinson is going too.

    They badly need to sign homegrown players and/or promote kids into their squad.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,052
    Bielik at least needs championship football next season. Works for me!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    I suspect they will want to have a good look at him - and we have to respond to what happens after that, depending on what happens of course.