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Jonny Williams - now at Gillingham (p47)
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Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!1 -
Ridiculous that he couldn't concentrate on football for 90 mins before getting his end away.killerandflash said:
Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!5 -
I don't think people realise how much work Williams does off the ball. Coleman, who has managed him, mentioned it in comms.killerandflash said:
Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!
He doesn't stop moving. Reminds me of a young Parker, in that regard, but at his age you would think he would have learnt to pace himself as most of that movement is totally ineffective.3 -
He was able to get a few things going. I think he maybe does have too many ideas sometimes though1
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He's a midfielder. I doubt the miles he covers in a match look impressive when compared to other midfieldersCafc43v3r said:
I don't think people realise how much work Williams does off the ball. Coleman, who has managed him, mentioned it in comms.killerandflash said:
Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!
He doesn't stop moving. Reminds me of a young Parker, in that regard, but at his age you would think he would have learnt to pace himself as most of that movement is totally ineffective.
And he's only 26!0 -
Yeah so at 26, having been a pro for nearly ten years, he should know when to take a breather. Scott Parker did not run as much at 26 than he did at 21 and was a better player for it.killerandflash said:
He's a midfielder. I doubt the miles he covers in a match look impressive when compared to other midfieldersCafc43v3r said:
I don't think people realise how much work Williams does off the ball. Coleman, who has managed him, mentioned it in comms.killerandflash said:
Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!
He doesn't stop moving. Reminds me of a young Parker, in that regard, but at his age you would think he would have learnt to pace himself as most of that movement is totally ineffective.
And he's only 26!
He doesn't run as much, or as far, as a lot of midfielders but he doesn't stop moving. He jogs all the time. He doesn't do many "lung bursting runs" but it's the constant movement and probably "nervous energy".
Johnny has 3 very significant weakness, that stop him being a top class footballer. Ability and effort aren't two of them.
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I'm sure Pratley does far more running than Jonny, and he's 34Cafc43v3r said:
Yeah so at 26, having been a pro for nearly ten years, he should know when to take a breather. Scott Parker did not run as much at 26 than he did at 21 and was a better player for it.killerandflash said:
He's a midfielder. I doubt the miles he covers in a match look impressive when compared to other midfieldersCafc43v3r said:
I don't think people realise how much work Williams does off the ball. Coleman, who has managed him, mentioned it in comms.killerandflash said:
Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!
He doesn't stop moving. Reminds me of a young Parker, in that regard, but at his age you would think he would have learnt to pace himself as most of that movement is totally ineffective.
And he's only 26!
He doesn't run as much, or as far, as a lot of midfielders but he doesn't stop moving. He jogs all the time. He doesn't do many "lung bursting runs" but it's the constant movement and probably "nervous energy".
Johnny has 3 very significant weakness, that stop him being a top class footballer. Ability and effort aren't two of them.
Jonny doesn't seem naturally very athletic, I suspect he has to put in a lot of effort to keep himself fit0 -
I disagree, Pratley does more noticeable running.killerandflash said:
I'm sure Pratley does far more running than Jonny, and he's 34Cafc43v3r said:
Yeah so at 26, having been a pro for nearly ten years, he should know when to take a breather. Scott Parker did not run as much at 26 than he did at 21 and was a better player for it.killerandflash said:
He's a midfielder. I doubt the miles he covers in a match look impressive when compared to other midfieldersCafc43v3r said:
I don't think people realise how much work Williams does off the ball. Coleman, who has managed him, mentioned it in comms.killerandflash said:
Ridiculous that he was shagged after 55 minutes2121 said:Jonny summed up his cafc performances for wales; tidy on the ball, links it, effort, wins free kicks, but no real effect on the game!
He doesn't stop moving. Reminds me of a young Parker, in that regard, but at his age you would think he would have learnt to pace himself as most of that movement is totally ineffective.
And he's only 26!
He doesn't run as much, or as far, as a lot of midfielders but he doesn't stop moving. He jogs all the time. He doesn't do many "lung bursting runs" but it's the constant movement and probably "nervous energy".
Johnny has 3 very significant weakness, that stop him being a top class footballer. Ability and effort aren't two of them.
Jonny doesn't seem naturally very athletic, I suspect he has to put in a lot of effort to keep himself fit
Obviously Pratley is much more of a natural athlete than Williams, despite his age.1 -
Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.4
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Aren't you agreeing?
You're both saying Pratley does more running and is a more natural athlete...3 - Sponsored links:
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Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?MuttleyCAFC said:Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.3 -
Have to agree, the Williams wins us free kicks line is getting tedious. He clearly has more ability than he's shown, particulatly in the last 10-11 months, but it's about time he did just that, showed us something.PopIcon said:
Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?MuttleyCAFC said:Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.5 -
I don’t quite get the thread that drawing fouls isn’t creating chances. Drawing fouls gives teams the chance to get balls into the box and score goals. The only problem is, we haven’t had the players to do this decently recently. Hopefully with Maddison we can start putting in decent crosses!PopIcon said:
Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?MuttleyCAFC said:Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.
i really hope Williams can start improving again now we’re signing better players and kick on from here because he really should be starting in a league 1 team with his talent. (Totally agree with Bowyer that he hasn’t been showing that enough recently and is justifiably not been playing as much)4 -
The fouls have to be in dangerous areas though. Grealish got fouled up the pitch, enabling the cross which led to Coady's goal, but a lot of times Williams gets fouled too far out. He needs to be get into more dangerous positionsRC_CAFC said:
I don’t quite get the thread that drawing fouls isn’t creating chances. Drawing fouls gives teams the chance to get balls into the box and score goals. The only problem is, we haven’t had the players to do this decently recently. Hopefully with Maddison we can start putting in decent crosses!PopIcon said:
Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?MuttleyCAFC said:Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.
i really hope Williams can start improving again now we’re signing better players and kick on from here because he really should be starting in a league 1 team with his talent. (Totally agree with Bowyer that he hasn’t been showing that enough recently and is justifiably not been playing as much)3 -
That, again, is where he needs better players around him. If the deeper lying midfielders can dominate, and we have faster more dominant defenders, then the whole team can play higher up the pitch, or at least transition from defence to attack much quicker.killerandflash said:
The fouls have to be in dangerous areas though. Grealish got fouled up the pitch, enabling the cross which led to Coady's goal, but a lot of times Williams gets fouled too far out. He needs to be get into more dangerous positionsRC_CAFC said:
I don’t quite get the thread that drawing fouls isn’t creating chances. Drawing fouls gives teams the chance to get balls into the box and score goals. The only problem is, we haven’t had the players to do this decently recently. Hopefully with Maddison we can start putting in decent crosses!PopIcon said:
Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?MuttleyCAFC said:Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.
i really hope Williams can start improving again now we’re signing better players and kick on from here because he really should be starting in a league 1 team with his talent. (Totally agree with Bowyer that he hasn’t been showing that enough recently and is justifiably not been playing as much)Too often lately, again basically since Gallagher left, Williams has been having to come too deep to get the ball because the rest of the midfield cannot get the ball further up the pitch quickly enough. I hope this is where Gilbey can help as he can drive forward with the ball himself and hopefully feed the likes of Williams and Maddison much further up the pitch, like Aribo and Gallagher did. He’s been missing with injury though and it’s really shown up a frailty in our midfield. That’s why I think we ideally need another midfielder, someone as cover/competition for Gilbey to link defence to attack.Not making excuses for Williams, there are things he should be doing better regardless, and I really don’t know why he’s so short in stamina, but very few players can perform to their best irrespective of teammates and tactics.11 -
The fouls also mean that our opportunity to break has come to a stop and the defence can get back and organise. If it wasn't to the defence's advantage, they wouldn't foul.
His general performances need to be better, I think we could all agree on that. It's been a long time since we've seen the kind of player who came off the bench in the play off final and changed the game.
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I just don't get the love in for Williams. Lots of other players have done better than Williams and been roundly criticised.1
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I don’t get those saying Williams only draws fouls and does nothing else either.dickplumb said:I just don't get the love in for Williams. Lots of other players have done better than Williams and been roundly criticised.The truth is somewhere in between. We need a better team so we can have more possession and therefore get the ball to our attacking players like Williams, Doughty and Maddison in dangerous areas more often.
Williams main weaknesses are his fitness, he rarely plays 90 minutes, and being an attacking player who doesn’t score goals. If those were strengths he wouldn’t be playing for us.
Assists rely on having players who take the chances you create. At the start of last season he got several assists. When he first joined in League 1 I don’t think he got any, but he definitely created chances that should have been taken. He can’t be blamed for that.
He’s proven he can be effective for us but he does need to step up and offer more than he has recently. He’ll have a better chance of that if we bring in a couple of good strikers and the last few signings needed elsewhere.7 -
Williams plays for his country, still getting pelters from our fans. I can see why he isn't everyone's cup of tea he is a bit of a flairLuxury player which sometimes goes unnoticed, although its never lack of effort and he always shows for the ball. He reminds me a bit of Grealish but without the final third, create/score. I have no doubt he can do it, but we need to have a good side for him to flourish.
He obviously has injury problems and to play 60+ is a bonus but we need to make the best of it. He is a left winger or CM/ CAM, agreed he needs to pull the strings sometimes rather than draw in fouls which slows the play, although in some spots its useful.
I dont really agree he runs around like a headless chicken/ schoolground football, but he does do alot of running with no substance which cant be solely on him. I'd still rather than Ozzy personally if we had a choice although they have slightly different things to offer so pleased we have both.
Edit- to update the flair mistake
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@johnnybev1987 "he's a bit of a flair player which sometimes goes unnoticed"
Running and filling gaps goes unnoticed, flair players are the opposite of going unnoticed, surely2 - Sponsored links:
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I get you, flair is incorrect. Basically although i think he works hard he needs people around him, maybe more of a luxury player? Its a bit early lolChunes said:@johnnybev1987 "he's a bit of a flair player which sometimes goes unnoticed"
Running and filling gaps goes unnoticed, flair players are the opposite of going unnoticed, surely
I do think he always creates but unfortunately without a proper forward its hard to judge him and often forgotten with noone putting them away. If we got a 15-20 Goal striker i am sure he would get quite a few of the assists3 -
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Let's all be nice, it's his birthday
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Winning free kicks can be great - in a Cup or PlayOff final.
Winning free kicks constantly in the centre circle against Scunthorpe suggests a player needs to either release the ball quicker or move into more dangerous areas to perform the same pattern of play.
Did you notice how Ronaldo got battered and bruised in his first year in the EPL (Kish etc), but he put that much work into his body and play following that season that nobody could get near him. Not many compare to Ronaldo but it's the philosophy that we are referencing here, in terms of bettering yourself.4 -
Is this still ** BREAKING ** ?3
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This with bells onkillerandflash said:
The fouls have to be in dangerous areas though. Grealish got fouled up the pitch, enabling the cross which led to Coady's goal, but a lot of times Williams gets fouled too far out. He needs to be get into more dangerous positionsRC_CAFC said:
I don’t quite get the thread that drawing fouls isn’t creating chances. Drawing fouls gives teams the chance to get balls into the box and score goals. The only problem is, we haven’t had the players to do this decently recently. Hopefully with Maddison we can start putting in decent crosses!PopIcon said:
Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?MuttleyCAFC said:Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.
i really hope Williams can start improving again now we’re signing better players and kick on from here because he really should be starting in a league 1 team with his talent. (Totally agree with Bowyer that he hasn’t been showing that enough recently and is justifiably not been playing as much)0 -
i_b_b_o_r_g said:Is this still ** BREAKING ** ?
I think it no longer refers to the 'breaking news'. More the player always breaking.5 -
It's frustrating, as when he first joined us from Palace he looked sharp and dangerous, but he's clearly gone backwards.
It's not just the fans digging him out, as Bowyer has said much the same and more importantly since Lockdown has barely picked him to start a match. Even the ITV commentator last night mentioned that he's out of favour!1 -
Pretty big weaknesses for a professional footballer who plays as an attacker though!Scoham said:
I don’t get those saying Williams only draws fouls and does nothing else either.dickplumb said:I just don't get the love in for Williams. Lots of other players have done better than Williams and been roundly criticised.The truth is somewhere in between. We need a better team so we can have more possession and therefore get the ball to our attacking players like Williams, Doughty and Maddison in dangerous areas more often.
Williams main weaknesses are his fitness, he rarely plays 90 minutes, and being an attacking player who doesn’t score goals. If those were strengths he wouldn’t be playing for us.
Assists rely on having players who take the chances you create. At the start of last season he got several assists. When he first joined in League 1 I don’t think he got any, but he definitely created chances that should have been taken. He can’t be blamed for that.
He’s proven he can be effective for us but he does need to step up and offer more than he has recently. He’ll have a better chance of that if we bring in a couple of good strikers and the last few signings needed elsewhere.
But yes overall i agree with what you're saying, he will likely perform better and create more in a better team. If you're on the back foot away in the championship he's not going to do much, in a decent attacking side he should step up.1
