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Jonny Williams - now at Gillingham (p47)

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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,476
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.
    On the other hand I don't remember him actually doing much either. He was busy enough but didn't seem to present much danger.
    Obviously he was up against a much higher class of player but it was the Williams dichotomy - looks good, keeps possession and draws fouls but with very little in the way of actual end product.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,897
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.

    i'd start him in centre mid all day long - too many water carriers / passers in the team - vennings and levitt shouldn't be anywhere near in comparison - get him, doughty and Maddison going at teams and sign a decent striker and we will start to look something - i know we need to defend as well but last week, the way we set up to start, it was virtually impossible to attack.   
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.

    i'd start him in centre mid all day long - too many water carriers / passers in the team - vennings and levitt shouldn't be anywhere near in comparison - get him, doughty and Maddison going at teams and sign a decent striker and we will start to look something - i know we need to defend as well but last week, the way we set up to start, it was virtually impossible to attack.   
    I am glad that you aren’t the Manager. You need a selection of artists and artisans. Too many of either and it doesn’t work.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    dickplumb said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.

    i'd start him in centre mid all day long - too many water carriers / passers in the team - vennings and levitt shouldn't be anywhere near in comparison - get him, doughty and Maddison going at teams and sign a decent striker and we will start to look something - i know we need to defend as well but last week, the way we set up to start, it was virtually impossible to attack.   
    I am glad that you aren’t the Manager. You need a selection of artists and artisans. Too many of either and it doesn’t work.

  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,897
    dickplumb said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.

    i'd start him in centre mid all day long - too many water carriers / passers in the team - vennings and levitt shouldn't be anywhere near in comparison - get him, doughty and Maddison going at teams and sign a decent striker and we will start to look something - i know we need to defend as well but last week, the way we set up to start, it was virtually impossible to attack.   
    I am glad that you aren’t the Manager. You need a selection of artists and artisans. Too many of either and it doesn’t work.

    So is the popular belief - the right balance is of course wanted but i think those 3 can play and we still will have that - you need a workhorse up top (marquis say), you have Maddison and doughty either side then you have williams, Watson and say gilbey in the middle. once williams engine blows up you put aneke or someone on. If you aren't asking questions going forwards, you have no chance. Didn't get my level 1 coaching badge for nothing!!! 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited October 2020
    Lovely bloke, flatters to deceive, does well in job of drawing fouls has an eye for a pass and is tricky.

    Not much else to his game, hence Bowyer trying to add to his game.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lovely bloke, flatters to deceive, does well in job of drawing fouls has an eye for a pass and is tricky.

    Not much else to his game, hence Bowyer trying to add to his game.
    Which is why Maddison signing is significant. A player with a similar style and position but considerably better statistics (at the current level at least) might give Williams a kick up the arse if he wants to keep his place.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,897
    thenewbie said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lovely bloke, flatters to deceive, does well in job of drawing fouls has an eye for a pass and is tricky.

    Not much else to his game, hence Bowyer trying to add to his game.
    Which is why Maddison signing is significant. A player with a similar style and position but considerably better statistics (at the current level at least) might give Williams a kick up the arse if he wants to keep his place.

    He doesn't have the pace and power to play on the wing but has the other attributes - he can draw 2 or 3 players to him, do a shimmy etc but then needs to lay it off to the forwards / wingers who can 'gallop' - he says himself he wants to play in the middle and i can see why.   
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,897
    a year ago i remember he was on top of his game, we had a home match and he was unplayable - he got injured in that game - he has it in him to do it  
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    DOUCHER said:
    a year ago i remember he was on top of his game, we had a home match and he was unplayable - he got injured in that game - he has it in him to do it  
    I remember him being another that played very well against Fulham. 

    JFC (at LB), Williams, Gallagher and Bonne really shone in that game for me. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    dickplumb said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Without reading back, I’d like to say I thought he had a good game last night......I can only remember him making one misplaced pass.

    i'd start him in centre mid all day long - too many water carriers / passers in the team - vennings and levitt shouldn't be anywhere near in comparison - get him, doughty and Maddison going at teams and sign a decent striker and we will start to look something - i know we need to defend as well but last week, the way we set up to start, it was virtually impossible to attack.   
    I am glad that you aren’t the Manager. You need a selection of artists and artisans. Too many of either and it doesn’t work.
    You do, but how many artists did we have on Saturday.  Certainly not too many. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    DOUCHER said:
    a year ago i remember he was on top of his game, we had a home match and he was unplayable - he got injured in that game - he has it in him to do it  
    He does, which is what makes it more frustrating that he's not doing it very often. Not entirely his fault as he can only do so much on his own but I don't think I'm alone in feeling he is capable of more than he's managed to date.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    We've been having the same conversation about him for ages - hasn't really delivered.
  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    Wales looked comfortable on the ball in the first half, Jonny Williams catching the eye with his balance on the ball
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited October 2020
    RC_CAFC said:
    PopIcon said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Williams had a good game today. Drew a fair dumber of fouls, was tidy and set up some of Wales' best attacks (admittedly not many of them). He should be starting for us.
    Drew a fair number of fouls? Our Williams? How about doing something useful and creating some chances? Perhaps a goal is asking too much?
    I don’t quite get the thread that drawing fouls isn’t creating chances. Drawing fouls gives teams the chance to get balls into the box and score goals. The only problem is, we haven’t had the players to do this decently recently. Hopefully with Maddison we can start putting in decent crosses!

    i really hope Williams can start improving again now we’re signing better players and kick on from here because he really should be starting in a league 1 team with his talent. (Totally agree with Bowyer that he hasn’t been showing that enough recently and is justifiably not been playing as much)
    Set pieces are a major way of scoring goals for many teams. Also, it unsettles opponents in that it can stop them getting a flow. There is no way for me, outside of fitness, you don't start Williams in League One.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Balance on the ball! See! He's pretty on the eye, nobody is denying that.

    Did he stand on the ball at some point?!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-player-ratings-vs-england-19075133

    Jonny Williams 5
    Another who started brightly, but unable to open up the England defence and faded as the game wore on. Replaced in the closing quarter and can be expected to stand down for Aaron Ramsey for Sunday's UEFA Nations League game with Ireland.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    killerandflash said:
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-player-ratings-vs-england-19075133

    Jonny Williams 5
    Another who started brightly, but unable to open up the England defence and faded as the game wore on. Replaced in the closing quarter and can be expected to stand down for Aaron Ramsey for Sunday's UEFA Nations League game with Ireland.
    Good, then he will not get injured, but keeps training
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    ross1 said:
    killerandflash said:
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-player-ratings-vs-england-19075133

    Jonny Williams 5
    Another who started brightly, but unable to open up the England defence and faded as the game wore on. Replaced in the closing quarter and can be expected to stand down for Aaron Ramsey for Sunday's UEFA Nations League game with Ireland.
    Good, then he will not get injured, but keeps training
    Unless he gets injured in training 
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  • Stonewallpenalty19
    Stonewallpenalty19 Posts: 317
    Shot.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    Only 27.....I thought he was 34/35. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    ct_addick said:
    Only 27.....I thought he was 34/35. 

    That's because Jonny's got his head on upside down.

    .
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    Surprised he did not get a championship team come in with an offer. They let you play a little more there.
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,186
    Hes gonna get sharper for the break👍🏽👍🏽
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    There is not one League One side that wouldn't have him if they could. Nuff said as Stan Lee would put it.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    MattF said:

    If you didn’t think of Carl Harris when you read “Welsh Wizard” you must be under 45 years old 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    killerandflash said:
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-player-ratings-vs-england-19075133

    Jonny Williams 5
    Another who started brightly, but unable to open up the England defence and faded as the game wore on. Replaced in the closing quarter and can be expected to stand down for Aaron Ramsey for Sunday's UEFA Nations League game with Ireland.
    My god a league 1 player who isn't better than Juventus's Aaron Ramsey?!?!  That's journalism of the finest quality.

    Anyone judging the suitability of a player based on that game, can you remind me which league 1 team Kalvin Phillips and Harry Winks play for, I must have missed that news. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Thank fuck he decided to sign a one year extension to 2021. 

    I mean, it's a big risk. After all, who knows what's going to happen in 2021? 

    But imagine if he'd signed a one-year extension to 2020 instead. There's no way I could take another twelve months of it. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Happy Birthday to Jonny Williams, the Kentish Welshman. 

    Now how to we get the best out of JW.

    Being fouled on the edge of the box or in the box would be better than being fouled on the half way line where we then pass sidewards or backwards.

    Get JW to play near to Bogle/Aneke to pick up the ball in a more forward position. 

    It's a shame JW only has an energy/battery that lasts 60 minutes as otherwise he could be Eveready to play the whole game.

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